Does he have an explanation for the warming?

Joanne Nova, paid denier PR flak for fossil fuel interests, you just lost whatever credibility you had.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:13am:


Are you on the gravy train...............!!??

What poses you to come on this forum and push this pseudoscience called AGW.......?

There was a MWP and a little ice age.

Temperatures now are higher than in the MWP. More CO2 and CH4.

Ajax wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:08am:


Caused by what? The Earth doesn't just get warmer for no reason.

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:49am:


What do you mean caused by what...............???

What caused all the previous warming and cooling........???

You make it sound as though warming or cooling have NEVER taken place before....!!!

I can tell you what didn't and that's CO2...........!!!

If we didn't have climate change the Earth would still be a molten rock.

Ajax, if the climate changes then it has to be caused by something.
Past changes in climate were caused by changes in the sun, changes in ocean currents, changes in the atmosphere, changes in continental distribution and changes in the orbit.

To just say "natural" or "natural variation" is just a cop out. The climate doesn't just change for no reason.

oh and by the way, the medival warm spell was mostly just European

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Ajax wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:59am:

We have a sun and it has been quiescent since the 1980s yet the globe warmed. Something has to explain the warming and CO2 and CH4 explain it pretty well and has been demonstrated doing so by spectroscopy.

That is not what Barnacle said, Ajax.

Do heatwaves in Australia warm Europe?

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:05am:



So those peer-reviewed papers finding evidence in Tasmania, New Zealand, Chile are just figments of multiple someones' fantasies. 

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:23am:



No it is obvious, cold snaps in Europe cause heatwaves in Australia. You forgot about temperatures being inverted. /sarc

Can you explain how the sun can be quiescent for over 30 years yet the globe warms, Lees?

And I do not say it is only the Greenhouse effect.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:31am:


The sun will be inactive from the period 2009 to 2030.

Where are you getting this information.

http://joannenova.com.au/2009/04/global-warming-a-classic-case-of-alarmism/

Ajax wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:33am:


It is thought that the sun may go into a solar minimum. According to the oil seed salesman that will cause a LIA. Funny that the last LIA was going when the last Maunder Minimum arrived and was still going when the Maunder Minimum ended. It may even be that the world will warm up during a MM because the sun will emit less UV but more infrared.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:37am:


Please leave the oil seed salesman to their causes, we are only interested in facts here.

So do you expect the Earth to behave like your air conditioner.

Change phase at the flick of a switch...........??

Something turns of and immediately you should feel the effects....!!??..................

Ajax wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:41am:

I have never said that, Ajax! Don’t put words in my mouth. A system the size of the world with HUGE heat storage like the oceans does not react instantaneously. Tremendous masses of air and ocean need to be heated for warming or be cooled to show cooling and there are short term effects (volcanoes, El Nino/La Nina) that might mask changes temporarily.

Global warming and cooling affects weather systems and that is how the effect of cooling and warming shows. Currently, AGW is causing the belt of cyclones and anticyclones that bring rain to the southern half of the continent are more and more over the ocean and less and less over land and that is why the southern half of Australia is drying out.

Warming is also melting both poles, Greenland and causing glaciers to retreat.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:51am:



Where is the Antarctic warming?



Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:51am:



CO2, the magic gas, moves weather systems.

Ajax wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:59am:

Spectroscopy proves you wrong.

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 12:38pm:


Ah, the dastardly 3-4%.

You do know the carbon dioxide budget isn't and likely never was in equilibrium?  You do know it is CO2 we are talking about not carbon black? You do know the unceratinties in the so called budget?




Figures from Stephens et al 2012
Imbalance 0.6w/m² +/- 17w/m²

The uncertainties outway the supposed imbalance, it is down in the noise.

Oh, is JoNova a paid Koch puppet too? Perhaps you should read some papers.

Lees keeps up the pointless obfuscation.

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That is the key line Ajax
And that additional CO2 that gets emitted keeps on accumulating each year

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 12:34pm:


I'ld like to see that.

All I've seen from you is you expressing your opinions..

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 12:34pm:


No it actually proves you wrong.

Is CO2 a well mixed gas...?



https://airs.jpl.nasa.gov/news

Mans emissions are solely responsible for the current increase in CO2.

Actually it agrees with the OP of this thread that most CO2 comes from natural sources.



https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/atmospheric-infrared-sounder-airs/

Now about temperature nowhere does it say the current warming is due to the increase in CO2......

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 1:37pm:


If you had bothered to listen to the OP of this thread you would realise that what you are saying is total RUBBISH...!!

Meteorologists and climatologists. They observe and measure the weather. Whatever they publish has to be peer reviewed first.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 2:21pm:


ClimaStrologists.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 2:05pm:


You notice they didn't give any increase for the greening of the planet?

Why don't they want to admit that?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 2:26pm:


The crap is what comes out of the monkeys on the gravy train.

Like for example the 97% consensus - where did that come from again.....??



https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/07/17/that-scientific-global-warming...

Then lets not forget John Cook et al who tried to verify this with his fraudulent paper that got laughed out of the science community, he's back working in the cartoon industry again over at skeptical science blog........

And all that crap has what to do with the BuMet and MetOffice?

Just stupid denialist crap, irrelevant and not science.

Brace yourself Ajax: there will be another ETS of some kind even if the Libs are in power.

GLOBAL FREEZING; 15-year ICE-AGE to hit by 2021


Published on Apr 1, 2017

GLOBAL FREEZING: seawapa.org/climate
15-year ICE-AGE to hit by 2021 (seawapa.org/timeline) as the sun prepares to 'HIBERNATE' (seawapa.org/solar). This is not fear-mongering, it's the presentation of the only plan (seawapa.org/plan), big enough as the alternative to all depopulation programs by wars (seawapa.org/index/wars.html), economic crisis, starvation, fears, geoengineering (seawapa.org/geo), pestilence, co2 demonization (seawapa.org/co2), expensive "space" & "science" programs, ... combined.

Without it, there will be food price hike leading to famine, economic collapses, financial collapses, bankruptcies, mass migration, leading to wars and many will perish.

What is your plan if it will really happen?
Do you think the government will save everyone? In fact, they all know about this, and they will cull the useless consumers to keep only necessary people in the field of elements exploration, to use in robotics, infrastructures, mass food and good productions, and in finance, science, system administration, ...

Politicians are preparing, while you are distracted
That's why there are so many distractions in the news; from the US-Chinese-Russian tensions, Brexit, refugee crisis, Ukraine conflict (Russian food basket), Middle-East, the Police State needs to control the masses via terrorist False-Flags, to the South China Sea dispute, ... to steer everybody heads away from Mini Ice-Age (seawapa.org/mia) and Ice-Age (seawapa.org/ia) events; seawapa.org/2017, seawapa.org/2016

And if you do just set all of these distractions aside and look back this way where they don't want you to look, there is a major tsunami of societal changes coming.

lee wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 3:18pm:



John Casey - the man featured in the last video - is a scientist.

Why do some people reject science?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 3:33pm:



Because it doesn't jibe with their beliefs. They would rather believe a consensus exists.

lee wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 3:50pm:



I think they are brainwashed by channel 9 news &
they can't think for themselves.
We've got some cold weather coming our way -
so has a great part of the world.

Ajax wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 2:24pm:


Ajax, you do know the difference between weather and climate don't you?

So clearly you prefer to believe bloggers, conspiracy theorists and pseudo science rather than actual scientists. You clearly know nothing about science or you wouldn't keep posting those doctored and discredited graphs that you spam us with.

We have all been told about the IPCC. The IPCC uses peer-reviewed papers only they say.

The IPCC's confidence has grown to 95% that the globe is suffering greater than 50% warming since the mid-twentieth century.

John Cook has done that fabulous report on the peer-reviewed papers.

"(1) Explicitly endorses and quantifies AGW as 50+%"

https://skepticalscience.com/tcp.php?t=search&s=a&a=&c=&e=1&yf=1991&yt=2011


That is 65 papers out of 4011 or 1.6%, according to John Cook et al.

Just imagine how confident they would be if it got to 3% of the papers.