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Reply #15 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:12am

Ajax wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:59am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:57am:

And it is not from the sun, that has been quiescent for decades meaning we would have seen cooling not warming.

No sun, no climate change on Earth...............!

We have a sun and it has been quiescent since the 1980s yet the globe warmed. Something has to explain the warming and CO2 and CH4 explain it pretty well and has been demonstrated doing so by spectroscopy.

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Reply #16 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:21am

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:05am:

Ajax, if the climate changes then it has to be caused by something.

Past changes in climate were caused by changes in the sun, changes in ocean currents, changes in the atmosphere, changes in continental distribution and changes in the orbit.

Yes I agree, so have all the above and more stopped.

Have they stopped now and only CO2 is driving climate...??

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To just say "natural" or "natural variation" is just a cop out. The climate doesn't just change for no reason.

Its the natural cycle of the Earth and that also continually changes.

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oh and by the way, the medival warm spell was mostly just European

Are you sure about that....??!!

So the northern hemisphere and southern hemisphere cannot affect each other, are they isolated somehow...??

Now that's pretty funny barnacle are you trying to be a comedian..... Cheesy

or are you just having some fun.

If the warmest place on the Earth is the equator how can the north and south hemisphere not affect each other...!!

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #17 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:23am That is not what Barnacle said, Ajax. Do heatwaves in Australia warm Europe?
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Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby
Reply #18 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:25am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:12am:

Ajax wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:59am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:57am:

And it is not from the sun, that has been quiescent for decades meaning we would have seen cooling not warming.

No sun, no climate change on Earth...............!

We have a sun and it has been quiescent since the 1980s yet the globe warmed. Something has to explain the warming and CO2 and CH4 explain it pretty well and has been demonstrated doing so by spectroscopy.

Since the 1980's which papers confirm this.

Most scientists that study the sun have said that the sun started its snoozing around 2009 and it will last until about 2030.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21400 Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #19 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:26am The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:05am: oh and by the way, the medival warm spell was mostly just European So those peer-reviewed papers finding evidence in Tasmania, New Zealand, Chile are just figments of multiple someones' fantasies.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21400 Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #20 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:28am Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:12am: We have a sun and it has been quiescent since the 1980s yet the globe warmed. Are a believer in that only IR can warm the world.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21400 Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #21 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:30am Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:23am: That is not what Barnacle said, Ajax. Do heatwaves in Australia warm Europe? No it is obvious, cold snaps in Europe cause heatwaves in Australia. You forgot about temperatures being inverted. /sarc
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #22 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:30am Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:23am: That is not what Barnacle said, Ajax. Do heatwaves in Australia warm Europe? Of course not directly....! But I'm sure what happens in the north and vice versa affects the other.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #23 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:31am Can you explain how the sun can be quiescent for over 30 years yet the globe warms, Lees? And I do not say it is only the Greenhouse effect.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #24 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:31am And Lees replies with his usual BS answer: natural variation.
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Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby
Reply #25 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:33am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:31am:

Can you explain how the sun can be quiescent for over 30 years yet the globe warms, Lees?

And I do not say it is only the Greenhouse effect.

The sun will be inactive from the period 2009 to 2030.

Where are you getting this information.

http://joannenova.com.au/2009/04/global-warming-a-classic-case-of-alarmism/

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21400 Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #26 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:34am Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:31am: And Lees replies with his usual BS answer: natural variation. Really? Where did I say that?
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Reply #27 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:37am

Ajax wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:33am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:31am:

Can you explain how the sun can be quiescent for over 30 years yet the globe warms, Lees?

And I do not say it is only the Greenhouse effect.

The sun will be inactive from the period 2009 to 2030.

Where are you getting this information.

It is thought that the sun may go into a solar minimum. According to the oil seed salesman that will cause a LIA. Funny that the last LIA was going when the last Maunder Minimum arrived and was still going when the Maunder Minimum ended. It may even be that the world will warm up during a MM because the sun will emit less UV but more infrared.

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Reply #28 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:38am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:31am:

Can you explain how the sun can be quiescent for over 30 years yet the globe warms, Lees?

You do know visible light warms? Visible light warms deeper that the top 20uM of ocean?

I thought you knew science?

Has the Sun gone out? Did it tell anyone before it left? Wink

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Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby
Reply #29 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:41am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:37am:

It is thought that the sun may go into a solar minimum. According to the oil seed salesman that will cause a LIA. Funny that the last LIA was going when the last Maunder Minimum arrived and was still going when the Maunder Minimum ended. It may even be that the world will warm up during a MM because the sun will emit less UV but more infrared.

Please leave the oil seed salesman to their causes, we are only interested in facts here.

So do you expect the Earth to behave like your air conditioner.

Change phase at the flick of a switch...........??

Something turns of and immediately you should feel the effects....!!??.................. Roll Eyes

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