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The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby
Apr 1^st, 2017 at 11:05am

Through the conservation law and other scientific principles Professor Murray Salby absolutely destroys all the smoking guns of the IPCC and other alarmist groups that claim man's emissions of CO2 are solely responsible for the temperature and CO2 increase in modern times.

A brilliant scientist indeed is Prof. Murry Salby.......... Cool

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #1 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 5:09pm Does he have an explanation for the warming?
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Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby
Reply #2 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:08am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 5:09pm:

Does he have an explanation for the warming?

The warming is natural and has nothing to do with mans emissions of CO2 which are so small they don't even register on the overall carbon budget of the atmopshere.

At the start the 1970s after 30 years of global cooling these same IDIOTS where heralding a little ice age.

You cant bottle climate and hope to keep it in that state, for some reason or another you think it should be at.

Just like you cannot control temperature or the amount of natural CO2 that is released into the atmosphere from natural sources.

Even if all the fossil fuel emissions stopped today CO2 cannot remain or be reduced to 280ppm.

1882 – 1910 Cooling
1910 – 1944 Warming
1944 – 1975 Cooling
1975 – 2001 Warming

http://joannenova.com.au/2009/04/global-warming-a-classic-case-of-alarmism/

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #3 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:13am Joanne Nova, paid denier PR flak for fossil fuel interests, you just lost whatever credibility you had.
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #4 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:15am This is the philosophy of the alarmists, one that makes you feel comfortable.......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sHg3ZztDAw&t=798s
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #5 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:17am Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:13am: Joanne Nova, paid denier PR flak for fossil fuel interests, you just lost whatever credibility you had. Are you on the gravy train...............!!?? What poses you to come on this forum and push this pseudoscience called AGW.......?
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Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby
Reply #6 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:21am

Do you deny that the medieval warm period exists or that we had a little ice age.

Medieval warm period warmer than today.

Dahl_Jensen et al 1998
Wagner & Melles 2001
Kaplan et al 2002
Jiang et al 2002
Moore et al 2001
Grudd et al 2002
Seppa & Birks 2002
Dansgaard et al 1975
Korhola et al 2000
Naurzbaev et al 2002
Vaganov et el 1996
Briffa et al 1998
Scweingruber & Briffa 1996
Knudsen et al 2004
Grinsted et al 2006
Besonen et al 2008
Wagner et al 2008
Vare et al 2009
Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009
Andresen et al 2004
Vinther et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2008
Stuiver et al 1995
Dansgaard et al 1975
Jenings & Weiner 1996
Johnsen et al 2001
Vinther et al 2010
Larsen et al 2011
Hill et al 2001
Joynt & Wolfe 2001
Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002
Andersson et al 2003
Helama et al 2005
Mazepa 2005
Weckstrom et al 2006
Jiang et al 2007
Zabenski & Gajewski 2007
Grudd 2008
Justwan et al 2008
Scire et al 2008
Axford et al 2009
Bjune et al 2009
Cook et al 2009
Fortin & Gajewski 2010
Buntgen et al 2011
Divine et al 2011
Ran et al 2011
Velle et al 2011
D’Andrea et al 2012
Esper et al 2012

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #7 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:23am There was a MWP and a little ice age. Temperatures now are higher than in the MWP. More CO2 and CH4.
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Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby
Reply #8 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:28am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:23am:

There was a MWP and a little ice age.

Temperatures now are higher than in the MWP. More CO2 and CH4.

There are many papers above that show the MWP was warmer than today.

More papers than your consensus that proves AGW is real.... Cheesy

History shows us that the Earth continually warms and cools independently of CO2.

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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #9 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:49am Ajax wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:08am: Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 5:09pm: Does he have an explanation for the warming? The warming is natural Caused by what? The Earth doesn't just get warmer for no reason.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #10 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:57am And it is not from the sun, that has been quiescent for decades meaning we would have seen cooling not warming.
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Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby
Reply #11 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:58am

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:49am:

Ajax wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:08am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 1^st, 2017 at 5:09pm:

Does he have an explanation for the warming?

The warming is natural

Caused by what? The Earth doesn't just get warmer for no reason.

What do you mean caused by what...............???

What caused all the previous warming and cooling........???

You make it sound as though warming or cooling have NEVER taken place before....!!!

I can tell you what didn't and that's CO2...........!!!

If we didn't have climate change the Earth would still be a molten rock.

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #12 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:59am Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 10:57am: And it is not from the sun, that has been quiescent for decades meaning we would have seen cooling not warming. No sun, no climate change on Earth...............!
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Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby
Reply #13 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:05am

Ajax, if the climate changes then it has to be caused by something.
Past changes in climate were caused by changes in the sun, changes in ocean currents, changes in the atmosphere, changes in continental distribution and changes in the orbit.

To just say "natural" or "natural variation" is just a cop out. The climate doesn't just change for no reason.

oh and by the way, the medival warm spell was mostly just European

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A new study questions the popular notion that 10th-century Norse people were able to colonize Greenland because of a period of unusually warm weather. Researchers say the climate was already cold when the Norse arrived -- and that climate thus probably played little role in their mysterious demise some 400 years later. On a larger scale, the study adds to building evidence that the so-called Medieval Warm Period, when Europe enjoyed clement weather, did not necessarily extend to other parts of the world.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/12/151204145919.htm

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The destruction of the AGW science by Murray Salby Reply #14 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:10am Could be maybe due to a strengthening of the Gulf Stream? Or a shift in its path to closer to Europe?
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