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Reply #45 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:25pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 10:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:20pm:
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you're either with us or

you're with the terrorists.


I'm with neither.




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Reply #46 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:26pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:25pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 10:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:20pm:
Greggy,

you're either with us or

you're with the terrorists.


I'm with neither.




Spoken like a true coward.



You'll have to explain that one, old boy.

How can being with neither the terrorists or the Islamophobes be cowardly?

I'm curious.

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Reply #47 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:28pm
 
ISIS claims all successes, wherever they are perpetrated. It makes no difference anyway. Masood was saturated in the Mohamed fixation, like the rest of them.
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Reply #48 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:33pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
ISIS claims all successes, wherever they are perpetrated. It makes no difference anyway. Masood was saturated in the Mohamed fixation, like the rest of them.


Was he?  Which version was he "saturated" in?  Sunni, Shi'ate, Ba'hai, Wahabbi, Druze, etc.?

In reality, the man was troubled, he was violent and he decided he'd take his problems out on society and all in the name of his religion.   Rather like a few Saints did for Catholicism...    Roll Eyes
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Re: Don't blame ISLAM, for London Jihadi attack.....
Reply #49 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:33pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:25pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 10:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:20pm:
Greggy,

you're either with us or

you're with the terrorists.


I'm with neither.




Spoken like a true coward.



You'll have to explain that one, old boy.

How can being with neither the terrorists or the Islamophobes be cowardly?

I'm curious.




I didn't see bobby state anything remotely islamophobic. Unless fighting islamic terrorism is now islamophobic.

I see the use of the word "us" as the people who oppose islamic terrorism. Why should you see it any different.



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Reply #50 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:33pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
ISIS claims all successes, wherever they are perpetrated. It makes no difference anyway. Masood was saturated in the Mohamed fixation, like the rest of them.


Can they be believed, though?

Valkie tells us that all Muslims lie, all the time.

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Reply #51 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:34pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:33pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
ISIS claims all successes, wherever they are perpetrated. It makes no difference anyway. Masood was saturated in the Mohamed fixation, like the rest of them.


Was he?  Which version was he "saturated" in?  Sunni, Shi'ate, Ba'hai, Wahabbi, Druze, etc.?

In reality, the man was troubled, he was violent and he decided he'd take his problems out on society and all in the name of his religion.   Rather like a few Saints did for Catholicism...    Roll Eyes



Apologist.
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Reply #52 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:46pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:33pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
ISIS claims all successes, wherever they are perpetrated. It makes no difference anyway. Masood was saturated in the Mohamed fixation, like the rest of them.


Was he?  Which version was he "saturated" in?  Sunni, Shi'ate, Ba'hai, Wahabbi, Druze, etc.?

In reality, the man was troubled, he was violent and he decided he'd take his problems out on society and all in the name of his religion.   Rather like a few Saints did for Catholicism...    Roll Eyes


Apologist.


To whom, BigOl64?  You?  Really?  For the Terrorist?  How?  All I have done is attempt to figure out the motivations behind his suicide.  Is there a problem with doing that or would you simply prefer to write it all off and proclaim that you just hate all Muslims?  Are you an Islamophobe?  It looks like it to me increasingly like you are.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Don't blame ISLAM, for London Jihadi attack.....
Reply #53 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:48pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:33pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
ISIS claims all successes, wherever they are perpetrated. It makes no difference anyway. Masood was saturated in the Mohamed fixation, like the rest of them.


Was he?  Which version was he "saturated" in?  Sunni, Shi'ate, Ba'hai, Wahabbi, Druze, etc.?

In reality, the man was troubled, he was violent and he decided he'd take his problems out on society and all in the name of his religion.   Rather like a few Saints did for Catholicism...    Roll Eyes

Wahabbi.
Masood’s route to extremism could also have been influenced by two stints working as an English teacher in Saudi Arabia, whose government enforces a fundamentalist form of Islam linked to extremist movements around the world.

He converted. He was a Muslim. He did exactly what ISIS has been urging Muslims to do.

If Islam has nothing to do with this then Islam has nothing to do with any Islamic charity, either. You cannot whitewash Islam's ideology supporting dark and evil currents and actions.






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Re: Don't blame ISLAM, for London Jihadi attack.....
Reply #54 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:59pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:33pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
ISIS claims all successes, wherever they are perpetrated. It makes no difference anyway. Masood was saturated in the Mohamed fixation, like the rest of them.


Was he?  Which version was he "saturated" in?  Sunni, Shi'ate, Ba'hai, Wahabbi, Druze, etc.?

In reality, the man was troubled, he was violent and he decided he'd take his problems out on society and all in the name of his religion.   Rather like a few Saints did for Catholicism...    Roll Eyes

Wahabbi.
Masood’s route to extremism could also have been influenced by two stints working as an English teacher in Saudi Arabia, whose government enforces a fundamentalist form of Islam linked to extremist movements around the world.

He converted. He was a Muslim. He did exactly what ISIS has been urging Muslims to do.

If Islam has nothing to do with this then Islam has nothing to do with any Islamic charity, either. You cannot whitewash Islam's ideology supporting dark and evil currents and actions.


So, does Christianity have anything to do with this, Soren?

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    Craig Gee was attacked on December 3, 2007, by four men whilst holding his boyfriend's hand walking down Crown Street in Surry Hills, Sydney, Australia. Part of his skull was reduced to powder and his leg was broken during the attack.[1] This incident prompted a vigil against the rising level of homophobia in the city and alleged apathy from police,[2] and despite the attack, Gee and his boyfriend joined the Chief of Parade Margaret Cho to lead the 2008 Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras parade.[3]
    Several of the victims of the Snowtown murders were openly gay men, while others were labeled by the killers as being gay and/or child abusers. Prosecutor Wendy Abraham suggested the accused men’s attitude to paedophiles and homosexuals was a motive.[4]
    Roffee and Waling (2016) conducted a study that aimed to investigate incidents of bullying, harassment and violence committed towards LGBTIQ people. They discovered an issue, however, when they found that many people did not view what they had been subjected to as a hate crime, or even a crime at all. Furthermore, many of the participants commented on feeling that they did not meet the criteria of being a victim harassment, bullying or violence. This established that prospective participants may not have felt that they met the criteria and thus would not have elected to take part in the study. The conclusion of the study established that all of the participants had been subjected to some form of victimisation, with some of the attacks being extremely violent and criminal.[5][6]

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Using your logic, all religions are responsible for what their believers commit in their names, now aren't they?

Where were you condemning these acts of violence committed by (at least nominally) Christian people?  Mmmm?    Roll Eyes
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Re: Don't blame ISLAM, for London Jihadi attack.....
Reply #55 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 6:21pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:25pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 10:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:20pm:
Greggy,

you're either with us or

you're with the terrorists.


I'm with neither.




Spoken like a true coward.



You'll have to explain that one, old boy.

How can being with neither the terrorists or the Islamophobes be cowardly?

I'm curious.




I didn't see Bobby state anything remotely Islamophobic. Unless fighting Islamic terrorism is now Islamophobic.

I see the use of the word "us" as the people who oppose Islamic terrorism. Why should you see it any different.




Greggy is not tough enough on terrorists -

he doesn't even want to see terrorist mass murderers face the noose.

He's weak & one of the main reasons we're losing the war is progressive thinkers like him in charge.
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Reply #56 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 6:27pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:25pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 10:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:20pm:
Greggy,

you're either with us or

you're with the terrorists.


I'm with neither.




Spoken like a true coward.



You'll have to explain that one, old boy.

How can being with neither the terrorists or the Islamophobes be cowardly?

I'm curious.




I didn't see bobby state anything remotely islamophobic. Unless fighting islamic terrorism is now islamophobic.

I see the use of the word "us" as the people who oppose islamic terrorism. Why should you see it any different.





Why should I see it any different?

I'm glad you asked.

I see it different because that's not how Booby defines it.

I'm replying to Booby, and he defines 'us' as "those who follow the Bush Doctrine".



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Reply #57 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 6:31pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:59pm:
So, does Christianity have anything to do with this, Soren?

Quote:
Australia

    Craig Gee was attacked on December 3, 2007, by four men whilst holding his boyfriend's hand walking down Crown Street in Surry Hills, Sydney, Australia. Part of his skull was reduced to powder and his leg was broken during the attack.[1] This incident prompted a vigil against the rising level of homophobia in the city and alleged apathy from police,[2] and despite the attack, Gee and his boyfriend joined the Chief of Parade Margaret Cho to lead the 2008 Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras parade.[3]
    Several of the victims of the Snowtown murders were openly gay men, while others were labeled by the killers as being gay and/or child abusers. Prosecutor Wendy Abraham suggested the accused men’s attitude to paedophiles and homosexuals was a motive.[4]
    Roffee and Waling (2016) conducted a study that aimed to investigate incidents of bullying, harassment and violence committed towards LGBTIQ people. They discovered an issue, however, when they found that many people did not view what they had been subjected to as a hate crime, or even a crime at all. Furthermore, many of the participants commented on feeling that they did not meet the criteria of being a victim harassment, bullying or violence. This established that prospective participants may not have felt that they met the criteria and thus would not have elected to take part in the study. The conclusion of the study established that all of the participants had been subjected to some form of victimisation, with some of the attacks being extremely violent and criminal.[5][6]

[Source]

Using your logic, all religions are responsible for what their believers commit in their names, now aren't they?

Where were you condemning these acts of violence committed by (at least nominally) Christian people?  Mmmm?    Roll Eyes



I do not see any mention of Christianity as a motivation in any of this, Mr Masters degree who can balance detail and big picture.

You can balance nothing, Brian.
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Reply #58 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:20pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:59pm:
So, does Christianity have anything to do with this, Soren?

Quote:
Australia

    Craig Gee was attacked on December 3, 2007, by four men whilst holding his boyfriend's hand walking down Crown Street in Surry Hills, Sydney, Australia. Part of his skull was reduced to powder and his leg was broken during the attack.[1] This incident prompted a vigil against the rising level of homophobia in the city and alleged apathy from police,[2] and despite the attack, Gee and his boyfriend joined the Chief of Parade Margaret Cho to lead the 2008 Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras parade.[3]
    Several of the victims of the Snowtown murders were openly gay men, while others were labeled by the killers as being gay and/or child abusers. Prosecutor Wendy Abraham suggested the accused men’s attitude to paedophiles and homosexuals was a motive.[4]
    Roffee and Waling (2016) conducted a study that aimed to investigate incidents of bullying, harassment and violence committed towards LGBTIQ people. They discovered an issue, however, when they found that many people did not view what they had been subjected to as a hate crime, or even a crime at all. Furthermore, many of the participants commented on feeling that they did not meet the criteria of being a victim harassment, bullying or violence. This established that prospective participants may not have felt that they met the criteria and thus would not have elected to take part in the study. The conclusion of the study established that all of the participants had been subjected to some form of victimisation, with some of the attacks being extremely violent and criminal.[5][6]

[Source]

Using your logic, all religions are responsible for what their believers commit in their names, now aren't they?

Where were you condemning these acts of violence committed by (at least nominally) Christian people?  Mmmm?    Roll Eyes



I do not see any mention of Christianity as a motivation in any of this, Mr Masters degree who can balance detail and big picture.

You can balance nothing, Brian.



Australia is nominally, what percent Christian, Soren?   Work it out, if you can.  Move your lips and count on your fingers if you have to.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #59 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 9:33pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:20pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:59pm:
So, does Christianity have anything to do with this, Soren?

Quote:
Australia

    Craig Gee was attacked on December 3, 2007, by four men whilst holding his boyfriend's hand walking down Crown Street in Surry Hills, Sydney, Australia. Part of his skull was reduced to powder and his leg was broken during the attack.[1] This incident prompted a vigil against the rising level of homophobia in the city and alleged apathy from police,[2] and despite the attack, Gee and his boyfriend joined the Chief of Parade Margaret Cho to lead the 2008 Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras parade.[3]
    Several of the victims of the Snowtown murders were openly gay men, while others were labeled by the killers as being gay and/or child abusers. Prosecutor Wendy Abraham suggested the accused men’s attitude to paedophiles and homosexuals was a motive.[4]
    Roffee and Waling (2016) conducted a study that aimed to investigate incidents of bullying, harassment and violence committed towards LGBTIQ people. They discovered an issue, however, when they found that many people did not view what they had been subjected to as a hate crime, or even a crime at all. Furthermore, many of the participants commented on feeling that they did not meet the criteria of being a victim harassment, bullying or violence. This established that prospective participants may not have felt that they met the criteria and thus would not have elected to take part in the study. The conclusion of the study established that all of the participants had been subjected to some form of victimisation, with some of the attacks being extremely violent and criminal.[5][6]

[Source]

Using your logic, all religions are responsible for what their believers commit in their names, now aren't they?

Where were you condemning these acts of violence committed by (at least nominally) Christian people?  Mmmm?    Roll Eyes



I do not see any mention of Christianity as a motivation in any of this, Mr Masters degree who can balance detail and big picture.

You can balance nothing, Brian.



Australia is nominally, what percent Christian, Soren?   Work it out, if you can.  Move your lips and count on your fingers if you have to.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


I do not see any mention of Christianity as a motivation in any of this.

You think you are Nostradamus, but you are just implying, like the bloody Quasimodo ( Cheesy) of Historic Forecasting that you are, instead of actually identifying motivation, you sad sack of confusion and misunderstanding.


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