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Don't blame ISLAM, for London Jihadi attack.....
Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:19pm

In the days following the UK, London, Houses of Parliament, Jihadi attack,

the general consensus seems to be;

'Don't blame moslems or ISLAM, for the atrocities committed by 'extremists'. '

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EXAMPLES OF MANY SOCIETIES AROUND THE WORLD,
REFUSING TO ASSIGN BLAME TO ISLAM, FOR ISLAMIST ATTACKS.

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IN THE UK

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By Robert Spencer on Mar 25, 2017 08:25 pm

UK police on London jihadi: “There is a possibility we will never understand why he did this”

They’ve arrested many people in connection with the attack, but they say he acted alone. He was a “very religious” Muslim following an Islamic State modus operandi — running down people in a car and then getting out and stabbing...

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By Robert Spencer on Mar 25, 2017 04:57 pm

Board of Deputies of British Jews reassures Muslims who are “anxious” after London jihad

“At this time, we know that many of our Muslim neighbours and friends who detest Islamist ideology will be feeling anxious. Our message is clear: our society must stand united at this time and not be turned against one another by extremists of any kind who wish to divide us....

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By Robert Spencer on Mar 25, 2017 01:44 pm

Theresa May: “The fight against terrorism and hate speech has to be a joint one”

By this May means, as Pamela Geller has pointed out, that “the fight against jihad and those who oppose jihad is a joint one.” This is because opposition to jihad terror is routinely characterized by Theresa May and her colleagues as “hate speech.”....

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By Robert Spencer on Mar 24, 2017 05:40 pm

Globe & Mail columnist: London jihadi “not Muslim,” “extremists” often come from “Christian families”

I have previously noted that Doug Saunders has all the journalistic integrity of Josef Goebbels, and now on Twitter he has illustrated how avid Leftist “journalists” are to exonerate Islam of all responsibility for the crimes committed in its name and in accord with its teachings, and to demonize Christianity at all costs....

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By Robert Spencer on Mar 24, 2017 10:47 am

UK pol on London jihadi: “The fact that the man is a Muslim is utterly and completely irrelevant”

Digby Jones is the former Minister of State for Trade and Investment in the UK. Here he is denying the ancient adage that one must know one’s enemy in order to defeat that enemy. The fact that Khalid Masood was a Muslim is only irrelevant if his Muslim identity had nothing to do with his...

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CANADA

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By Robert Spencer on Mar 25, 2017 07:04 pm

Canada: Imam quotes Muhammad, complaint lodged with police

This entire episode shows the perils of assuming, as nearly everyone does, that mosques in the West teach peace and tolerance, and that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are moderate and loyal members of secular societies. This mosque is under fire for hosting an imam who preached: “O Muslim, O servant of Allah, O Muslim,.....

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By Robert Spencer on Mar 24, 2017 09:54 am

Canada: Visiting imam at Montreal mosque preaches that Muslims should kill Jews

This video surfaced just before Canada’s House of Commons voted on the “anti-Islamophobia” motion M-103, and they still voted in favor. This is completely insane. The Canadian Parliament should have considered this video, and the Toronto imam who says Muslims will eventually kill all Jews, and the other Montreal mosque where the imam prayed for....

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"Nothing to see here, move on, move on!"

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BELGIUM

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By Robert Spencer on Mar 25, 2017 05:52 pm

Brussels mayor: “All mosques in Brussels are in the hands of Salafists”

“Everyone knows that all mosques in Brussels are in the hands of Salafists. We need to change this, we need new mosques that follow our democratic rules and that are being controlled by the government.” Good luck with that, but Mayor Mayeur should ask himself why it is that all the mosques in Brussels are.....

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GERMANY

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By Robert Spencer on Mar 25, 2017 01:29 pm

German state bans mosque group after imam repeatedly calls for killing of infidels

An imam? A man who has dedicated his life to understanding Islam correctly and teaching it properly was preaching that Muslims should kill non-Muslims? Why, it’s inconceivable! Theresa May and Pope Francis and George W. Bush and a multitude of other non-Muslim imams are doubtless on their way to Hesse now to explain to this....

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"Nothing to see here, move on, move on!"

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Don't blame ISLAM, for London Jihadi attack.....
Reply #1 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:20pm

FRANCE

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By Robert Spencer on Mar 25, 2017 12:45 pm

France: Veiled Muslim woman threatens passersby with a knife

“Veiled from head to foot, the accused had already tried, while threatening people with her 20-centimeter blade, to enter the church of Saint-Benigne and had gone, still threatening, to rue Michelet.” There needs to be a study forthwith of the rising “Islamophobia” in Dijon that drove this poor dear to do this. “Dijon: the veiled.....

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AUSTRALIA

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By Robert Spencer on Mar 25, 2017 04:02 pm

Australia: Muslim teen in deradicalization program plotted jihad massacre

Deradicalization programs, upon which the West has placed so much hope, have long been an obvious failure. Such programs are based on the premise that the true teachings of Islam are peaceful, and so all that needs to be done is show the jihadis how they’re misunderstanding the Qur’an and overlooking its teachings of peace,.....

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By Robert Spencer on Mar 24, 2017 01:29 pm

Australia: Muslim slaughtered wife for opposing his desire to join Islamic State, wanted children to learn Qur’an only

“He wanted them to only speak Lebanese, and learn the Koran. He wanted to teach them about guns, swords, war and jihad.” He wanted them to learn the Qur’an and guns, swords, war and jihad? Theresa May and Pope Francis and George W. Bush are doubtless right now on their way to Melbourne right now.....

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Don't blame ISLAM, for London Jihadi attack.....
Reply #3 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:44pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

A religion can't kill.....

But ISLAM does.

.....so, progressing logically then, from that position, ISLAM, is not a religion.

'It must be so !'

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

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and kill them wherever you find

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In moslem majority states; for example in Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Mali, Nigeria, Iran, et al, moslems continue the holy struggle, to rid the world of the scourge of unbelief.

It is a holy quest.

And if moslems want to persue their holy quest of eliminating all disbelievers [i.e. 'the wrong kind of moslems'] within moslem majority states, then we infidels should not interfere, imo.

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"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC religious scholar, Sayyid Qutb

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #4 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:47pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

A religion can't kill.....

But ISLAM does.

.....so, progressing logically then, from that position, ISLAM, is not a religion.

'It must be so !'

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

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and kill them wherever you find

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In moslem majority states; for example in Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Mali, Nigeria, Iran, et al, moslems continue the holy struggle, to rid the world of the scourge of unbelief.

It is a holy quest.

And if moslems want to persue their holy quest of eliminating all disbelievers [i.e. 'the wrong kind of moslems'] within moslem majority states, then we infidels should not interfere, imo.

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"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC religious scholar, Sayyid Qutb

No, it doesn't.

It's impossible for an abstract set of beliefs to kill, you filthy apologist.

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Reply #5 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

A religion can't kill.....

But ISLAM does.

.....so, progressing logically then, from that position, ISLAM, is not a religion.

'It must be so !'

It's impossible for an abstract set of beliefs to kill, you filthy apologist.

.....until those 'abstract set of beliefs' take up residence in the psyche of a human being.

Then, anything is possible.

What we believe, determines how we [will] act.
- Yadda

Is that concept, so unbelievable, so unreasonable ?

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."
Koran 9.111

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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A murderous death cult.

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Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004

"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents.

Only between Muslims and unbelievers.

And the life of an unbeliever has no value.

It has no sanctity."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true

this is an old link, but the article is kosher.

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Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam

01/05/2007

In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed: "Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".

The article advised: "The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.

There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims.

Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550211/Cleric-preaches-that-violence-is-...

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

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KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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Re: Don't blame ISLAM, for London Jihadi attack.....
Reply #7 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:18pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:15pm:

A religion can't kill eh peccerhead?

That's right: a religion can't kill.

Why does your tiny little brain find that fact so hard to process?

Grendel wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:15pm:

But it's adherents can.

Certainly can.

Christians kill people every single day.

Moreover, they also rape, torture, and murder children every single day.

Are they the sort of people you associate with?

I'm curious.

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Reply #8 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

No, it doesn't.

It's impossible for an abstract set of beliefs to kill, you filthy apologist.

So what Brevik did had nothing to do with what Brevik thought or believed. Pinning it on his extreme right views - apologist. Islamophobe? - apologist.

His actions had nothing to do with any ideas, ideologies, beliefs. All completely random.

You are the most shamelessly thick and dishonest pillock around. You beat even Brian and that takes some effort on the stupid stakes.

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Reply #9 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:20pm

Frank wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

No, it doesn't.

It's impossible for an abstract set of beliefs to kill, you filthy apologist.

So what Brevik did had nothing to do with what Brevik thought or believed. Pinning it on his extreme right views - apologist. Islamophobe? - apologist.

His actions had nothing to do with any ideas, ideologies, beliefs. All completely random.

You are the most shamelessly thick and dishonest pillock around. You beat even Brian and that takes some effort on the stupid stakes.

Really?

What makes you "think" that?

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Reply #10 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:18pm:

Christians kill people every single day.

Moreover, they also rape, torture, and murder children every single day.

Are they the sort of people you associate with?

I'm curious.

No. You are a stupid bastard.

Evidently none of that has anything to do with Christianity. Islamics have nothing to do with Islam. Same for Christians. Nothing to do with nothing. It's all random and anyone who says otherwise is an apologist.

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Reply #11 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:24pm

Frank wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:18pm:

Christians kill people every single day.

Moreover, they also rape, torture, and murder children every single day.

Are they the sort of people you associate with?

I'm curious.

No. You are a stupid bastard.

Evidently none of that has anything to do with Christianity. Islamics have nothing to do with Islam. Same for Christians. Nothing to do with nothing. It's all random and anyone who says otherwise is an apologist.

Really?

You strike me as the sort of person who would like rapists and murderers.

After all, you voted Liberal didn't you?

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Reply #12 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 10:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:24pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:18pm:

Christians kill people every single day.

Moreover, they also rape, torture, and murder children every single day.

Are they the sort of people you associate with?

I'm curious.

No. You are a stupid bastard.

Evidently none of that has anything to do with Christianity. Islamics have nothing to do with Islam. Same for Christians. Nothing to do with nothing. It's all random and anyone who says otherwise is an apologist.

Really?

You strike me as the sort of person who would like rapists and murderers.

After all, you voted Liberal didn't you?

You sad old fool. Is this really the limit of your wit?? Really? Delete some words and rave against some others?

In the end you are just sucking your own d!ck, gweggy and you do it publicly because you lack any vestige of self-awareness. Karnal and Brian at least do it in private. But you have to be out there with your perverted stupidity because you just do not understand what 'limit' means.

Suck away.

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Reply #13 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 10:19pm

Frank wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:24pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:18pm:

Christians kill people every single day.

Moreover, they also rape, torture, and murder children every single day.

Are they the sort of people you associate with?

I'm curious.

No. You are a stupid bastard.

Evidently none of that has anything to do with Christianity. Islamics have nothing to do with Islam. Same for Christians. Nothing to do with nothing. It's all random and anyone who says otherwise is an apologist.

Really?

You strike me as the sort of person who would like rapists and murderers.

After all, you voted Liberal didn't you?

You sad old fool. Is this really the limit of your wit?? Really? Delete some words and rave against some others?

In the end you are just sucking your own d!ck, gweggy and you do it publicly because you lack any vestige of self-awareness. Karnal and Brian at least do it in private. But you have to be out there with your perverted stupidity because you just do not understand what 'limit' means.

Suck away.

miam miam

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Reply #14 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 10:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 10:19pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:24pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 9:18pm:

Christians kill people every single day.

Moreover, they also rape, torture, and murder children every single day.

Are they the sort of people you associate with?

I'm curious.

No. You are a stupid bastard.

Evidently none of that has anything to do with Christianity. Islamics have nothing to do with Islam. Same for Christians. Nothing to do with nothing. It's all random and anyone who says otherwise is an apologist.

Really?

You strike me as the sort of person who would like rapists and murderers.

After all, you voted Liberal didn't you?

You sad old fool. Is this really the limit of your wit?? Really? Delete some words and rave against some others?

In the end you are just sucking your own d!ck, gweggy and you do it publicly because you lack any vestige of self-awareness. Karnal and Brian at least do it in private. But you have to be out there with your perverted stupidity because you just do not understand what 'limit' means.

Suck away.

miam miam

Exactly. You like that.

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