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Reply #120 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:18pm
 
Let us take a small excerpt from the above:

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temperature typically increased by 6°C (11° F) over thousands of years during these interglacial periods, and one third of this increase was a result of the CO2


6°C temperature rise, 1/3 due CO2 = 2°C due to natural CO2.

How much will the extra CO2 we put in the atmosphere since the mid 1800s increase temperatures by? Another 1°C?? 2°C??
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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #121 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:30pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 6:19am:
I can name a hundred scientists-not one glorified weatherman.

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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #122 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:31pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:14pm:
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Until the Industrial Revolution, melting of snow and ice at the end of cyclical glacial periods was driven by changes in the Earth’s orbit. As snow and ice melted on the planet, the albedo, or reflectivity, of the earth declined, with land and ocean absorbing more heat from the sun (think the reflectivity of cars in a parking lot versus the hot blacktop of the parking lot itself). As the planet slowly warmed, a warmer and better-mixed ocean released CO2 into the atmosphere, which amplified the warming that was already in progress. In all, temperature typically increased by 6°C (11° F) over thousands of years during these interglacial periods, and one third of this increase was a result of the CO2 that outgassed from the ocean once warming began. Therefore, CO2 was not the initial cause of melting ice on the planet. It merely amplified a signal that was already in progress.

By contrast, as humans burn fossil fuels, we are creating a new driver of snow and ice melt and accompanying sea-level rise. This time, additional CO2 entering the atmosphere is coming from sources of carbon that had previously been sequestered in fuels such as oil and gas. We know from basic physics that CO2 traps heat. The phenomenon is perhaps best demonstrated by Earth’s neighbor Venus. If we lived on Venus, the computer you’re reading this post on now would be melting. That’s because Venus has 100,000 times the amount of CO2 in its atmosphere as Earth does and its average temperature of 462° C (863° F) is high enough to melt lead.


https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/2014/06/20/how-do-co2-levels-rela
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It seems warming has a loooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggg way to go yet!



You do know the effect of Air pressure on temperature don't you. Venus is about 90 atmospheres, or the equivalent of the pressure 1km deep in the ocean.

BTW - you did notice they didn't say anything about the effect of CO2 on temperature not being logarithmic?
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Reply #123 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:32pm
 
Yup, but ya didn’t.

Physicists and chemists are involved in studying AGW.
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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #124 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:32pm
 
Venus is bloody hot. It has a CO2 atmosphere.
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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #125 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:33pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
Let us take a small excerpt from the above:

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temperature typically increased by 6°C (11° F) over thousands of years during these interglacial periods, and one third of this increase was a result of the CO2


6°C temperature rise, 1/3 due CO2 = 2°C due to natural CO2.

How much will the extra CO2 we put in the atmosphere since the mid 1800s increase temperatures by? Another 1°C?? 2°C??



yeah. How much uncertainty in the data over thousands of years? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #126 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:34pm
 
Who cares.

Increasing CO2 in the atmosphere is going to keep heating the earth!
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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #127 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:03pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:32pm:
Yup, but ya didn’t.

Physicists and chemists are involved in studying AGW.



Any names for physicists or chemists who say the effect of CO2 on temperature is not logarithmic?

If you do know about the effect of pressure on temperature, why drag in a strawman?

Of course Venus is also closer to the Sun, but you don't want to know that. Venus also gets about 1.4 times the Sun's energy.
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Reply #128 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:04pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Who cares.

Increasing CO2 in the atmosphere is going to keep heating the earth!



Any idea how much? Is it good, bad, CATASTROPHIC?
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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #129 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:09pm
 
You live in a bushfire prone area, buddy? I bet you don’t!
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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #130 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:12pm
 
Or do you live on a river floodplain? Or near the coast and subject to flooding from the sea?
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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #131 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:12pm
 
Maybe you make your living from the land?
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Reply #132 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:31pm
 
Nah.

There is another greenhouse gas to be considered. As the globe heats up there is more water vapor in the air. Water vapor is a GHG, another positive feedback loop.
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Reply #133 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:32pm
 
It seems Mr Hammer missed the nail and scarpered. Wise of him.
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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #134 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:13pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:31pm:
Nah.

There is another greenhouse gas to be considered. As the globe heats up there is more water vapor in the air. Water vapor is a GHG, another positive feedback loop.



And do you think this extra water vapour was there in the past, in other warming periods? i.e. the early 20th century warming? Wink

It's a wonder those you beaut climate models don't have a consistent figure for water vapour feedback. In fact only 10 out of 30 climate models give a figure. For the others it must be buried in a non-specific metric.
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