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Reply #480 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:00pm  
Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 6:21pm:
I've never really understood what Frank/Soren means by this. He's been using it as his primary argument for years.

Could people tell Anders Brievik from the 'good' right wing nationalists before he went on his rampage?

The obvious point to be made here is that virtually no criminal who was able to carry out their crime could have been identified apart from the rest of his/her community - otherwise they would have been stopped before it was too late - right?



Nationalism doesn't advocate the killing of non-nationalists and those who leave nationalism.
Nationalism doesn't advocate that the entire world should submit to it. It doesn't have a prophet who mustn't be made fun of on pain of death. Nationalism doesn't treat nationalist women as being worth half a nationalist man.

Islam does all these things.  That is why my point is valid - Islam IS openly supremacist, violent, intolerant, it sees itself as destined to dominate everyone else, it promotes apartheid and segregation.  These things are treated as eternal, unchangeable truths. If you accept Islam and Mohammed, these doctrines come with the package.





Islam does not do all of those things at all.

Extremists do those things.

You'll be less paranoid and hateful when you come to accept that simple truth.
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Reply #481 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:02pm  
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 6:21pm:
I've never really understood what Frank/Soren means by this. He's been using it as his primary argument for years.

Could people tell Anders Brievik from the 'good' right wing nationalists before he went on his rampage?

The obvious point to be made here is that virtually no criminal who was able to carry out their crime could have been identified apart from the rest of his/her community - otherwise they would have been stopped before it was too late - right?


  [er... Islamic. ed]

Of all the oppressed and terrorized minorities fated to live through this grim era, the Yazidis of northern Iraq are clearly among the most wretched.

Through no fault of their own they are enemies of the most venomous faction on the planet, the Islamic State, or ISIL. A newsletter from ISIL described Yazidis as a pagan minority and claimed that their continued existence “is a matter that Muslims should question as they will be asked about it on Judgment Day.”


The Yazidis did not submit to Islam. And Muslims dealt with them for that.
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Reply #482 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:03pm  
Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
Nationalism doesn't advocate the killing of non-nationalists and those who leave nationalism.
Nationalism doesn't advocate that the entire world should submit to it. It doesn't have a prophet who mustn't be made fun of on pain of death. Nationalism doesn't treat nationalist women as being worth half a nationalist man.

Islam does all these things.  That is why my point is valid - Islam IS openly supremacist, violent, intolerant, it sees itself as destined to dominate everyone else, it promotes apartheid and segregation.  These things are treated as eternal, unchangeable truths. If you accept Islam and Mohammed, these doctrines come with the package.


Very well said.

The "Yes, but ... " will be arriving at any moment now. It's a nervous twitch.
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Reply #483 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:04pm  
Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:02pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 6:21pm:
I've never really understood what Frank/Soren means by this. He's been using it as his primary argument for years.

Could people tell Anders Brievik from the 'good' right wing nationalists before he went on his rampage?

The obvious point to be made here is that virtually no criminal who was able to carry out their crime could have been identified apart from the rest of his/her community - otherwise they would have been stopped before it was too late - right?




Of all the oppressed and terrorized minorities fated to live through this grim era, the Yazidis of northern Iraq are clearly among the most wretched.

Through no fault of their own they are enemies of the most venomous faction on the planet, the Islamic State, or ISIL. A newsletter from ISIL described Yazidis as a pagan minority and claimed that their continued existence “is a matter that Muslims should question as they will be asked about it on Judgment Day.”


The Yazidis did not submit to Islam. And Muslims dealt with them for that.




The overwhelming majority of Muslims did no such thing.

Extremists did.
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Reply #484 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:04pm  
mothra wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 6:21pm:
I've never really understood what Frank/Soren means by this. He's been using it as his primary argument for years.

Could people tell Anders Brievik from the 'good' right wing nationalists before he went on his rampage?

The obvious point to be made here is that virtually no criminal who was able to carry out their crime could have been identified apart from the rest of his/her community - otherwise they would have been stopped before it was too late - right?



Nationalism doesn't advocate the killing of non-nationalists and those who leave nationalism.
Nationalism doesn't advocate that the entire world should submit to it. It doesn't have a prophet who mustn't be made fun of on pain of death. Nationalism doesn't treat nationalist women as being worth half a nationalist man.

Islam does all these things.  That is why my point is valid - Islam IS openly supremacist, violent, intolerant, it sees itself as destined to dominate everyone else, it promotes apartheid and segregation.  These things are treated as eternal, unchangeable truths. If you accept Islam and Mohammed, these doctrines come with the package.





Islam does not do all of those things at all.

Extremists do those things.

You'll be less paranoid and hateful when you come to accept that simple truth.



Where do the 'extremists' get their ideas and motivation? Islam. Exclusively. Doggedly. Purely.
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Reply #485 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:06pm  
Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:04pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 6:21pm:
I've never really understood what Frank/Soren means by this. He's been using it as his primary argument for years.

Could people tell Anders Brievik from the 'good' right wing nationalists before he went on his rampage?

The obvious point to be made here is that virtually no criminal who was able to carry out their crime could have been identified apart from the rest of his/her community - otherwise they would have been stopped before it was too late - right?



Nationalism doesn't advocate the killing of non-nationalists and those who leave nationalism.
Nationalism doesn't advocate that the entire world should submit to it. It doesn't have a prophet who mustn't be made fun of on pain of death. Nationalism doesn't treat nationalist women as being worth half a nationalist man.

Islam does all these things.  That is why my point is valid - Islam IS openly supremacist, violent, intolerant, it sees itself as destined to dominate everyone else, it promotes apartheid and segregation.  These things are treated as eternal, unchangeable truths. If you accept Islam and Mohammed, these doctrines come with the package.





Islam does not do all of those things at all.

Extremists do those things.

You'll be less paranoid and hateful when you come to accept that simple truth.



Where do the 'extremists' get their ideas and motivation? Islam. Exclusively. Doggedly. Purely.



Fail. If it were that simple, all Muslims would be extremists.

The overwhelming majority are not.
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Reply #486 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:24pm  
mothra wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:04pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 6:21pm:
I've never really understood what Frank/Soren means by this. He's been using it as his primary argument for years.

Could people tell Anders Brievik from the 'good' right wing nationalists before he went on his rampage?

The obvious point to be made here is that virtually no criminal who was able to carry out their crime could have been identified apart from the rest of his/her community - otherwise they would have been stopped before it was too late - right?



Nationalism doesn't advocate the killing of non-nationalists and those who leave nationalism.
Nationalism doesn't advocate that the entire world should submit to it. It doesn't have a prophet who mustn't be made fun of on pain of death. Nationalism doesn't treat nationalist women as being worth half a nationalist man.

Islam does all these things.  That is why my point is valid - Islam IS openly supremacist, violent, intolerant, it sees itself as destined to dominate everyone else, it promotes apartheid and segregation.  These things are treated as eternal, unchangeable truths. If you accept Islam and Mohammed, these doctrines come with the package.





Islam does not do all of those things at all.

Extremists do those things.

You'll be less paranoid and hateful when you come to accept that simple truth.



Where do the 'extremists' get their ideas and motivation? Islam. Exclusively. Doggedly. Purely.



Fail. If it were that simple, all Muslims would be extremists.

The overwhelming majority are not.



no .. its the interpretation of what is printed   that is the difference between moderate and EXTREME...

why do you think we have so many variations of a theme?...religious groups.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes...most religions follow a bible/koran


I read once where most religions stem from Judaism

now thats a "funny" one...

I hope no Muslim fanatic is reading this.....but its all based on things that are supposed to have happened many many years ago.....and its all based today on interpretation...
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Reply #487 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:31pm  
cods wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:04pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 6:21pm:
I've never really understood what Frank/Soren means by this. He's been using it as his primary argument for years.

Could people tell Anders Brievik from the 'good' right wing nationalists before he went on his rampage?

The obvious point to be made here is that virtually no criminal who was able to carry out their crime could have been identified apart from the rest of his/her community - otherwise they would have been stopped before it was too late - right?



Nationalism doesn't advocate the killing of non-nationalists and those who leave nationalism.
Nationalism doesn't advocate that the entire world should submit to it. It doesn't have a prophet who mustn't be made fun of on pain of death. Nationalism doesn't treat nationalist women as being worth half a nationalist man.

Islam does all these things.  That is why my point is valid - Islam IS openly supremacist, violent, intolerant, it sees itself as destined to dominate everyone else, it promotes apartheid and segregation.  These things are treated as eternal, unchangeable truths. If you accept Islam and Mohammed, these doctrines come with the package.





Islam does not do all of those things at all.

Extremists do those things.

You'll be less paranoid and hateful when you come to accept that simple truth.



Where do the 'extremists' get their ideas and motivation? Islam. Exclusively. Doggedly. Purely.



Fail. If it were that simple, all Muslims would be extremists.

The overwhelming majority are not.



no .. its the interpretation of what is printed   that is the difference between moderate and EXTREME...

why do you think we have so many variations of a theme?...religious groups.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes...most religions follow a bible/koran


I read once where most religions stem from Judaism

now thats a "funny" one...

I hope no Muslim fanatic is reading this.....but its all based on things that are supposed to have happened many many years ago.....and its all based today on interpretation...



Buggered if i can understand what i said that you think you're contradicting Cods.

You're really just proving my point.

Well, part of it.

You, and Frank, are overlooking the socio-political aspects of extremism.
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Reply #488 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:53pm  
frank asked..

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Where do the 'extremists' get their ideas and motivation? Islam. Exclusively. Doggedly. Purely.





you said...

Quote:
Fail. If it were that simple, all Muslims would be extremists.



I said...

Quote:
its the interpretation of what is printed   that is the difference between moderate and EXTREME...



meaning... ISIS is an ISLAMIC bases terrorist group...  but they are EXTREME believers  of the Koran...


some Christian break away groups believe their leader is the real GOD.... Roll Eyes

I believe they are extremists..


I am what I consider myself to be a CHristian  but I only believe

there is one GOD...and he isnt their leader...

just about every group has its extreme believers....most are non violent though thankfully.

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Reply #489 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:58pm  
cods wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:53pm:
frank asked..

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Where do the 'extremists' get their ideas and motivation? Islam. Exclusively. Doggedly. Purely.





you said...

Quote:
Fail. If it were that simple, all Muslims would be extremists.



I said...

Quote:
its the interpretation of what is printed   that is the difference between moderate and EXTREME...



meaning... ISIS is an ISLAMIC bases terrorist group...  but they are EXTREME believers  of the Koran...


some Christian break away groups believe their leader is the real GOD.... Roll Eyes

I believe they are extremists..


I am what I consider myself to be a CHristian  but I only believe

there is one GOD...and he isnt their leader...

just about every group has its extreme believers....most are non violent though thankfully.

i




In your haste to contradict me, you ignored this:

"Islam IS openly supremacist, violent, intolerant, it sees itself as destined to dominate everyone else, it promotes apartheid and segregation.  These things are treated as eternal, unchangeable truths. If you accept Islam and Mohammed, these doctrines come with the package."
- Frank


Try to follow the whole conversation in the future Cods, rather than merely cherry picking isolate comments out of context.

It saves wasting bandwidth.
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Reply #490 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 5:07pm  
I DIDNT CONTRADICT YOU....A


sheeeeeeeeeees do you think I want another 4 pages of insults...


you seriously cannot answer one question on here you have to go back and follow what that person has said..

or cop it..

and told your wasting bandwidth???


so you dont believe Islam has any EXTREMISTS in its midst...


as you never commented on my assumption it  is the INTERPRETATION of the Koran..

and their desire  not to live in peace...
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Reply #491 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 5:16pm  
cods wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 5:07pm:
I DIDNT CONTRADICT YOU....A


sheeeeeeeeeees do you think I want another 4 pages of insults...


you seriously cannot answer one question on here you have to go back and follow what that person has said..

or cop it..

and told your wasting bandwidth???


so you dont believe Islam has any EXTREMISTS in its midst...


as you never commented on my assumption it  is the INTERPRETATION of the Koran..

and their desire  not to live in peace...







Settle down Cods. No good comes from you getting all upset.

Firstly, i find it helpful to follow the conversation i'm interjecting myself into. It saves embarrassment lest i leap to the wrong conclusion.

Secondly, perhaps you can highlight for me why you would suggest I said there are no Muslim extremists? It seem an odd thing to say, is all. Ta.

Thirdly, as i have already pointed out to you, and Frank, who seems reluctant to factor it in, mere interpretation of the Qu'ran doesn't explain it. There are strong socio-political factors at play.
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Reply #492 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 5:17pm  
mothra wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
Islam does not do all of those things at all.

Extremists do those things.


Wrong.

Activists do those things. Muslims who do not take the literal Word of their God in vain.

The 80% majority of Muslims in the West don't want to forfeit the economic privileges of the Western First World life-style, and so they remain dormant until their circumstances changes for the worse.

Try to keep up with me, Mothra - if I'm going too fast just let me know .. 
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Reply #493 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 5:19pm  
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 5:17pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
Islam does not do all of those things at all.

Extremists do those things.


Wrong.

Activists do those things. Muslims who do not take the literal Word of their God in vain.

The 80% majority of Muslims in the West don't want to forfeit the economic privileges of the Western First World life-style, and so they remain dormant until their circumstances changes for the worse.

Try to keep up with me, Mothra - if I'm going too fast just let me know .. 


Hurry up, mothra: he's getting away.


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Reply #494 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 5:20pm  
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 5:17pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
Islam does not do all of those things at all.

Extremists do those things.


Wrong.

Activists do those things. Muslims who do not take the literal Word of their God in vain.

The 80% majority of Muslims in the West don't want to forfeit the economic privileges of the Western First World life-style, and so they remain dormant until their circumstances changes for the worse.

Try to keep up with me, Mothra - if I'm going too fast just let me know .. 



It's not that you are going to fast, Herbie, it's just that you are pulling all of that out of your arse.
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