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Reply #75 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:48pm
 
Rider wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:34pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
There was a recent recommendation to have a vetting process at the start to remove vexatious complaints and those with no chance of success. This seems sensible to me and about all that needs to be fixed with the legislation.


No. The Act is clearly duplicitous,  vague and too easily corrupted. Scrap it. Sack the lot. Burn down their offices. Salt the earth.


It is a good law that can work well, the Bolt case proves that it is needed.
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Reply #76 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:55pm
 
Nope...  scrap it or change it...  but its too stupid to be a law and the people handling it are too stupid to be in charge.
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Reply #77 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:56pm
 
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Reply #78 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:58pm
 
Does that image not say that Aboriginal Fathers are not only drunks, they do not know that name of of their kids?

If that does not breach 18C and leave him with no defence under 18D, I am not typing this.

That is yet another reason why Turdfull is suddenly keen to just make it about 'harass.'
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Reply #79 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 9:05pm
 
No.
But I'm betting it fits perfectly some.
And not just the interpretation you put on it either.
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Reply #80 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 9:11pm
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
No.
But I'm betting it fits perfectly some.
And not just the interpretation you put on it either.


Is there some interpretation other than that Leak was telling us that Aboriginal Fathers are not only stereotypical barefoot useless desert dwelling pissheads they also stereotypical do not know the names of their Aboriginal kids who are also stereotypical petty criminals?
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Reply #81 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 9:39pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
Does that image not say that Aboriginal Fathers are not only drunks, they do not know that name of of their kids?

If that does not breach 18C and leave him with no defence under 18D, I am not typing this.

That is yet another reason why Turdfull is suddenly keen to just make it about 'harass.'


Much worse than that have been dismissed under 18C, I would expect the same of this one, though it is terrible.

In fact this is an example of a complaint that never went to court, apparently it would have ended much quicker had Leek responded to the commission. Any response citing 18D would have been enough to end the matter.

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Giving evidence to Senate estimates on Tuesday, Triggs said the commission had twice written to Leak giving him the opportunity to assert that he had drawn the cartoon in good faith.

Section 18D of the Racial Discrimination Act specifies publication “done reasonably and in good faith” as a defence against a racial discrimination complaint under section 18C.

Leak did not respond to the commission, despite publicly explaining that his cartoon was intended to explore social issues in Indigenous communities such as absence of parental supervision leading to juvenile crime – exactly the sort of public interest debate 18D was designed to protect.

No investigation into Bill Leak cartoon after complaint dropped

 
“Had he responded by making a good faith point, we would almost certainly have ended the matter precisely at that moment,” Triggs said, in response to questions from the independent senator Derryn Hinch. “Despite these two requests to him to justify an 18D basis for the cartoon, we received no response.”




https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/28/bill-leak-could-have-ende...
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Reply #82 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 9:55pm
 
Where can you find 'good faith' in this:

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Leak was telling us that Aboriginal Fathers are not only stereotypical barefoot useless desert dwelling pissheads they also stereotypical do not know the names of their Aboriginal kids who are also stereotypical petty criminals?


Per se, it is void of even a scintilla of good faith.  It is 100% racial abuse caught by 18C and no defence under 18D.
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Reply #83 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:59am
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Grendel wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
No.
But I'm betting it fits perfectly some.
And not just the interpretation you put on it either.


Is there some interpretation other than that Leak was telling us that Aboriginal Fathers are not only stereotypical barefoot useless desert dwelling pissheads they also stereotypical do not know the names of their Aboriginal kids who are also stereotypical petty criminals?

Oh dear you mean your interpretation.... 

since you are so wrong most of the time maybe you should open your mind up to another interpretation.
For starters the policeman looks aboriginal too doesn't he.  So that shoots your interpretation down in flames.
The father may be a drunk and not recognise his son.
Not remember his son.
Be unaware he has a son.
No where does it say these 3 people represent all aboriginals, there isn't even a female in there so wrong again Aussie...  just how wrong do you want to be in one post?
Triggs allowed this to happen.  Tim actively sought out aboriginals and others to make a complaint about it.  Both are idiots.
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Reply #84 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 2:13pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
Does that image not say that Aboriginal Fathers are not only drunks, they do not know that name of of their kids?

If that does not breach 18C and leave him with no defence under 18D, I am not typing this.

That is yet another reason why Turdfull is suddenly keen to just make it about 'harass.'


It was nothing to do with colour or race, but culture.

The race was black aboriginal, and so he could hardly draw white folks, could he? I like the father's lower lip ...  Grin
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