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Re: The ME: leave it to itself
Reply #15 - Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 12:39pm

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 9:23am:

A better promise trumps a worse one Bobby.

Suppose he was to say, "You know what, I know I said I would terminate ISIS, but why should we pour good money after bad. It's more of a problem for all these govts in the ME. Let them deal with it and we'll leave it alone . . .UNLESS they start messing with us. Which is why I want you all to write to your judges and tell them not to interfere with the President's immigration policy."

The middle east would not be able to contain ISIS without our support. Anyone who thinks that outcome would not affect us is living under a rock. ISIS have already started messing with us.

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Re: The ME: leave it to itself
Reply #16 - Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:38pm

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 12:39pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 9:23am:

A better promise trumps a worse one Bobby.

Suppose he was to say, "You know what, I know I said I would terminate ISIS, but why should we pour good money after bad. It's more of a problem for all these govts in the ME. Let them deal with it and we'll leave it alone . . .UNLESS they start messing with us. Which is why I want you all to write to your judges and tell them not to interfere with the President's immigration policy."

The middle east would not be able to contain ISIS without our support. Anyone who thinks that outcome would not affect us is living under a rock. ISIS have already started messing with us.

Because we messed with them.

The West needs to get the ferk out and leave Arabia for Arabs. Simple schit. Effendi, even you are capable of understanding such a simple concept.

It's like this. If some bastard invaded Australia, I'd be doing all I could to kill them here, and where they came from.

You?

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Re: The ME: leave it to itself
Reply #17 - Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:51pm

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 9:23am:

A better promise trumps a worse one Bobby.

Suppose he was to say, "You know what, I know I said I would terminate ISIS, but why should we pour good money after bad. It's more of a problem for all these govts in the ME. Let them deal with it and we'll leave it alone . . .UNLESS they start messing with us. Which is why I want you all to write to your judges and tell them not to interfere with the President's immigration policy."

Bogarde73 couldn't terminate one of his own stools even if he wanted to.

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Re: The ME: leave it to itself
Reply #18 - Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 6:20pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 12:39pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 9:23am:

A better promise trumps a worse one Bobby.

Suppose he was to say, "You know what, I know I said I would terminate ISIS, but why should we pour good money after bad. It's more of a problem for all these govts in the ME. Let them deal with it and we'll leave it alone . . .UNLESS they start messing with us. Which is why I want you all to write to your judges and tell them not to interfere with the President's immigration policy."

The middle east would not be able to contain ISIS without our support. Anyone who thinks that outcome would not affect us is living under a rock. ISIS have already started messing with us.

Because we messed with them.

The West needs to get the ferk out and leave Arabia for Arabs. Simple schit. Effendi, even you are capable of understanding such a simple concept.

It's like this. If some bastard invaded Australia, I'd be doing all I could to kill them here, and where they came from.

You?

How far back in time should we go in order to stop being blamed for their mess Aussie?

Back when we stopped them invading Europe?

More recently when we put an end to them raiding Europe for slaves?

Or the ongoing effort to end the remaining slavery?

This is, after all, the "interference" you and the other apologists whinge about. Now we are establishing two new democracies in the middle east - the first taste of democracy they have had.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39772 Gender:	Re: The ME: leave it to itself Reply #19 - Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 11:24pm There you have the ultimate confession.... Quote: ..we are establishing... Far cough. We are not Arabs.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: The ME: leave it to itself Reply #20 - Mar 24^th, 2017 at 1:03pm FD, I'm not advocating they go unpunished for intruding on the West. I said that. But in and out with air strikes where it hurts, no more troops or.political interference. Let the rich Arab states deal with them. .
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Re: The ME: leave it to itself
Reply #21 - Mar 24^th, 2017 at 7:13pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 11:24pm:

There you have the ultimate confession....

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..we are establishing...

Far cough.

We are not Arabs.

There is no way the Arabs would establish democracy without outside influence. Just like they would not end slavery without outside influence (and some very big guns).

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FD, I'm not advocating they go unpunished for intruding on the West.

It has nothing to do with punishment. It is about preventing it from happening again. If we stood back and let the middle east deal with ISIS, ISIS would take over soon enough, and then we would have to fight them without the help of the locals, and they would be 1000 time as powerful.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 17310 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: The ME: leave it to itself Reply #22 - Mar 24^th, 2017 at 7:55pm Gordon wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 4:12pm: What about the Persians? Persia?
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Re: The ME: leave it to itself
Reply #23 - Mar 24^th, 2017 at 8:24pm

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There is no way the Arabs would establish democracy without outside influence. Just like they would not end slavery without outside influence (and some very big guns).

Who, among Arabs gives a twopenny stuff about democracy? It is not an Arab concept. If they want it, sure....but it is not our right to impose it. Far cough out of Arabia, whitey.....now!

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It has nothing to do with punishment. It is about preventing it from happening again. If we stood back and let the middle east deal with ISIS, ISIS would take over soon enough, and then we would have to fight them without the help of the locals, and they would be 1000 time as powerful.

Fight them.....where, Effendi? Arabia?

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Re: The ME: leave it to itself
Reply #24 - Mar 24^th, 2017 at 8:26pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

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There is no way the Arabs would establish democracy without outside influence. Just like they would not end slavery without outside influence (and some very big guns).

Who, among Arabs gives a twopenny stuff about democracy? It is not an Arab concept. If they want it, sure....but it is not our right to impose it. Far cough out of Arabia, whitey.....now!

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It has nothing to do with punishment. It is about preventing it from happening again. If we stood back and let the middle east deal with ISIS, ISIS would take over soon enough, and then we would have to fight them without the help of the locals, and they would be 1000 time as powerful.

Fight them.....where, Effendi? Arabia?

The French revolutionaries imposed what we now hold to be western values like freedom and democracy on continental western europe. We are lucky they did. Until very recently, it was an alien concept to nearly everyone.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39772 Gender:	Re: The ME: leave it to itself Reply #25 - Mar 24^th, 2017 at 8:27pm Jayzuz, Effendi, your position is just rubbish. You want us in the ME.....why? WTF interest do we have there? Why do we give a stuff who is in control there? What possible military threat can they (ISIS or whatever) mount against any Western power/allies?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53054 At my desk.	Re: The ME: leave it to itself Reply #26 - Mar 24^th, 2017 at 8:33pm Ever heard of terrorism Aussie? You don't need to take on our military to get our interest. The whole world has a very strong interest in getting rid of ISIS. Even with the holocaust ringing in your ears you cannot see it coming again.
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Re: The ME: leave it to itself
Reply #27 - Mar 24^th, 2017 at 8:41pm

freediver wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 8:33pm:

Ever heard of terrorism Aussie? You don't need to take on our military to get our interest. The whole world has a very strong interest in getting rid of ISIS.

Well......the best way to get rid of 'ISIS' from our hair is to get the ferk out of the ME and let the Arabs carry on among themselves as they have for centuries. Wake me up when they have an Army/Navy/Air Force capable of taking Europe, Asia, Africa, the Americas, the Oceanic, and/or Australia.......etc etc.

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Even with the holocaust ringing in your ears you cannot see it coming again.

You just love the Godwin don't you. You win it yet again. WTF has the holocaust got to do with us getting our interfering noses out of the ME?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53054 At my desk.	Re: The ME: leave it to itself Reply #28 - Mar 25^th, 2017 at 8:58am What do you think would happen if ISIS was given free reign in the middle east Aussie? The only real difference between them and Nazis is that the Nazis were more organised. Do you think it is automatically wrong to compare a political movement with Nazism? Or only when Muslims are involved?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The ME: leave it to itself Reply #29 - Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:58am freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 6:55pm: So far he has been saying he will pull out. Trump has just reinstated the US supply of arms to Saudi Arabia and resumed their material support of their 'bomb-schools-and-hospitals-athon' in Yemen. Right after Obama stopped it.
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