President Trump might be tempted, or more likely inveigled by advisers, to get involved in one or other of the ME trouble spots. There are 4 civil wars going on presently, I think that's right.

Leave it alone Donald.

Leave them to settle their own problems. I know some of it goes back to Western involvement, Sykes-Picot and other things. But a lot of it goes back to about the 8th century so wtf should the West waste its money and lives on these people.

Let them work out their own economic, political, religious and other problems. Don't subsidise them. Don't sell them weapons, other people will anyway.

The only time the West should get involved is to punish them severely when they seek to transfer their problems overseas. Europe won't do that of course, but Russia would, so should the US.
China certainly will. It has recently launched severe punitive action against its western muslims for becoming a problem.

Trade with them by all means but that's it. Don't seek to educate their children or offer them aid or anything else. The money is better spent on your own people.

Just keep the hell out of the garbage dump and only take action if they try to bring their garbage dump to your country. The same advice applies to all Western countries, though many wouldn't take it.

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 2:31pm:


Yay, Mr Bogarde has seen the light. Arabia is for Arabs!

The recent interventions go back to the late 90s with the Project for the New American Century. It had grand plans of democratising the M.E., heavily influenced by Fukuyama's 'End of History' thesis, which itself is a mish-mash of Hegelian and Nietzschean philosophy. Many of those who strongly opposed Trump, and still do, were a part of PNAC. There's something in that for those willing to hear it.    

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 6:55pm:


He'll still have his $#@& firmly implanted into Netanyahu, you can bet on that, and Netanyahu will be begging for more.

There is a quite well known video, of President GW Bush addressing a gathering of powerful people, in which he blatantly advocates their support for an invasion of Iraq because there will be huge amounts of money to be made. It was mainstream media for about a day.

This is the problem that Western governments refuse to deal with. If the Russians or the Chinese/NK dealers are seen to be making money, the West will want to compete. Perhaps the most disgusting aspect of this situation is that Liberal-Progressives like Obama justify meddling in the ME in the same way Western conservatives do. They tell the public it is to advance freedom and democracy. And then you have Israel, which is happy to see Western intervention because it takes the pressure off them.

There is only one glimmer of light in this darkness. It is that the mainstream media is now,but very rarely, publishing opinions that doubt the long held wisdom that a ME Peace Process can work. But then it was always a smoke screen to cover money, religion, oil and weapons testing. Only a grass-roots public rejection of Western policy can alter the situation, and that is up to editors and journalist to foster. Unfortunately, many of them are liberal-progressives who will have to lose face and their sanctimonious attitude.

That's what the Middle East says about Bogarde73. Let Bogarde73 amuse itself to it's heart's content.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 5:21pm:


Pivot away from oil.
Think if all the money and man hours  that's been pissed away in ME wars was put towards energy generation.


Prob not a bad idea to nuke Saudi Arabia. Think of it as chemotherapy to stop wahabbist cancer

A better promise trumps a worse one Bobby.

Suppose he was to say, "You know what, I know I said I would terminate ISIS, but why should we pour good money after bad. It's more of a problem for all these govts in the ME. Let them deal with it and we'll leave it alone . . .UNLESS they start messing with us. Which is why I want you all to write to your judges and tell them not to interfere with the President's immigration policy."