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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Tired of stupid AGW denialism? Reply #30 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 5:31pm The Argos buoys have been around for a while and they are showing the BuMet that the seas around Australia have warmed.
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Re: Tired of stupid AGW denialism?
Reply #31 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 5:31pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

Can you work out why this absorption/emission of IR is important, i.e. how it acts to warm the atmosphere and so the land and sea? I am sure you can work it out.

With or without the PHYSICS of Specific Heat of CO2? I am assuming you want to go with only half an equation. Cheesy

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Reply #32 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 5:33pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 5:31pm:

The Argos buoys have been around for a while and they are showing the BuMet that the seas around Australia have warmed.

Is that before or after the adjustments for "cooling bias"?

Of course we don't have very good measurements before the Argo buoys. So how do we know anything?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Tired of stupid AGW denialism? Reply #33 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 5:33pm Specific heat is irrelevant to the IR question. Type II error, Lees.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21502 Gender:	Re: Tired of stupid AGW denialism? Reply #34 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 5:35pm Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 5:33pm: Specific heat is irrelevant to the IR question. Type II error, Lees. Of course it is you have a blog that shows it.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Tired of stupid AGW denialism? Reply #35 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 6:29pm I am guessing that you don’t know what a Type II error is. You can look it up. Now, a molecule of a GHG has absorbed a photon of IR. Later, it re-emits it. What is significant about this? Hint: geometry.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21502 Gender:	Re: Tired of stupid AGW denialism? Reply #36 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 10:09pm You mean a type 11 error where the null hypothesis is proved false and you fail to reject it? First you have to prove the null hypothesis, in this case natural variation, is false. Until then there is no type 11 error.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Tired of stupid AGW denialism? Reply #37 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 10:13pm It is Type II error, not 11. Referring to the irrelevant crap about specific heat of CO2. You have not developed an argument about that specific heat nonsense.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Tired of stupid AGW denialism? Reply #38 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 10:22pm What is the theory that says specific heat matters a damn to AGW? Got a source to back it up? Anything? Or just desperation?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21502 Gender:	Re: Tired of stupid AGW denialism? Reply #39 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 10:23pm Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 10:13pm: It is Type II error, not 11. Referring to the irrelevant crap about specific heat of CO2. You have not developed an argument about that specific heat nonsense. You have not proved a null hypothesis.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21502 Gender:	Re: Tired of stupid AGW denialism? Reply #40 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 10:25pm Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 10:22pm: What is the theory that says specific heat matters a damn to AGW? Got a source to back it up? Anything? Or just desperation? I thought you believed in the physics.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Tired of stupid AGW denialism? Reply #41 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 10:25pm You are putting up specific heat as a counter to AGW. Up to you to propose the theory. Specific heat relates to absorption of IR exactly how?
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Reply #42 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 10:28pm

I am guessing it is desperation.

The globe is warming, clearly. It is also warming more quickly than it has for millions of years. The Arctic, Greenland, Antarctic sea ice are all melting, glaciers, apart from a very few cases, are retreating.

So, what does specific heat have to do with anything? Just a straw to clutch as you drown in proof of AGW?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Tired of stupid AGW denialism? Reply #43 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 10:29pm So, specific heat. . . ?
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Reply #44 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 10:39pm

"This assessment demonstrates that the effect of an increased warming caused by an increase of absorptivity of infrared radiation (IR) by water vapor due to overlapping spectral bands with carbon dioxide does not happen in nature.

On the overlapping absorption spectral bands of carbon dioxide and water vapor, the carbon dioxide propitiates a decrease of the total emissivity/absorptivity of the mixture in the atmosphere, not an increase,as AGW proponents argue.

Applying the physics laws of atmospheric heat transfer, the Carbon Dioxide behaves as a coolant of the Earth’s surface and the Earth’s atmosphere by its effect of diminishing the total absorptivity and total emissivity of the mixture of atmospheric gases."

http://www.biocab.org/Overlapping_Absorption_Bands.pdf

A peer-reviewed paper.

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