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Reply #90 - Mar 17^th, 2017 at 3:56pm

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Moses why on earth would you request those quotes in the first place - if you had already dismissed them as lies from a thief/liar/pedophile etc.?

It just comes across as petulent...

- "oh really? prove that book said that!"
- *proof provided*
- "err so what? its all lies anyway!"

Well gandi I reiterate:

muhammad decided to plagiarize the monotheistic ism of the Jews and Christians.

muhammad lied and preached that the existing moon god allah was actually the god Abraham advocated as the sole god of the universe.

muhammad lied and preached that the Jews and Christians deliberately debased their holy books by not referencing allah.

muhammad then added extra attributes to this new version of the pagan moon god e.g.: allah hated non muslims,allah hated Jews, allah hated Christians, allah hated polytheists, allah hated muslims who did apostatize, allah became the islamic god of thieving, lying, rape, torture and mass murder under the new set of prescribed tenets muhammad imparted to allah.

It all boils down to: muhammad preaching hatred of the Jews and Christians does not refute the works of the Hebrews dating back some 2100 years prior to muhammad and islam, or the works of the Christians dating back over 600 years previous to islam and muhammad.

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Reply #91 - Mar 18^th, 2017 at 6:12pm

moses wrote on Mar 17^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

Prior to Moses there is the book of Genesis I am not aware of any polytheistic teachings in Genesis, what do you mean by they worshipped polytheism?

What do YOU mean? The Torah is full of references to the people worshiping idols. The First Commandment is 'There shall be no other gods before me..." To which gods was the Torah referring, if not referring to the pre-existence of a polytheist religion?

moses wrote on Mar 17^th, 2017 at 3:47pm:

muhammad decided to plagiarize the monotheistic ism of the Jews and Christians.

muhammad lied and preached that the existing moon god allah was actually the god Abraham advocated as the sole god of the universe.

muhammad lied and preached that the Jews and Christians deliberately debased their holy books by not referencing allah.

muhammad then added extra attributes to this new version of the pagan moon god e.g.: allah hated non muslims,allah hated Jews, allah hated Christians, allah hated polytheists, allah hated muslims who did apostatize, allah became the islamic god of thieving, lying, rape, torture and mass murder under the new set of prescribed tenets muhammad imparted to allah.

Answer this question: how would the revelation that the Muslim God was the same as the Hebrew God make you feel?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Christianity vs Judaism vs Islam Reply #92 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 8:05am The question then would be which Bible will you believe... The Christian, The Jewish or The Moslem? Which IMO is the issue now anyway.
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Reply #93 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 10:33am

Grendel wrote on Mar 19^th, 2017 at 8:05am:

The question then would be which Bible will you believe... The Christian, The Jewish or The Moslem?

Which IMO is the issue now anyway.

The Bibles, or scripture are nothing more than agreed than upon texts that have been deemed to be the Word of God. The process of compilation and canonization has nothing to do with theology and everything to do with religion - i.e. the political and social organization of the belief system.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Christianity vs Judaism vs Islam Reply #94 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 12:56pm Gee thanks for that... but my point is still valid and correct.
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Re: Christianity vs Judaism vs Islam
Reply #95 - Mar 19^th, 2017 at 2:47pm

AugCaesarustus wrote Reply #91 - Yesterday at 6:12pm

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What do YOU mean? The Torah is full of references to the people worshiping idols. The First Commandment is 'There shall be no other gods before me..." To which gods was the Torah referring, if not referring to the pre-existence of a polytheist religion?

You wrote Reply #87 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 5:50pm

That's because the Land of Israel was created as a result of the religion of YHWH. Before that God, there existed no Israel; it was Canaan. Before Moses, the people worshiped polytheism (unless you're saying that they believed in no Gods?). That's the whole point of Judaism, isn't it? That God promised the area to His chosen people, which became the Land of Israel. When cavemen were living in the region that is now Israel, it wasn't Israel.

You stated the Hebrews were practicing polytheists, I pointed out to you that as far as I know the book of Genesis contains no commands to worship polytheism.

You've come back with the weak position of: Oh well they were commanded not to follow polytheism, so they must have been worshipping multiple gods.

A commandment that they must not follow polytheism is not proof of them worshipping multiple gods, it is a warning not to follow the polytheists of other religions.

If our government dictates cannibalism is not allowed, according to you that means we must be cannibals.

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Answer this question: how would the revelation that the Muslim God was the same as the Hebrew God make you feel?

A revelation by who?

Certainly the word of a thief liar pedophile rapist torturer and mass murderer would mean exactly nothing to me.

If some religious leader of today were to issue this edict, I would think the Christian moral principle of questioning the spirit of these things is a good guide, the rationale that there will be false prophets rings loud and clear also.

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Reply #96 - Mar 20^th, 2017 at 7:29pm

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 9:35pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 9:21pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 9:12pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 8:01pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Since when did Fundamental Islam become a recognised sovereign State?

It was such a thing until 1918 and they want to re-constitute it by jihad (the mandatory islamic method for such things). It's a basic Islamic tenet called the caliphate.

The Ottoman Empire wasn't a fundamentalist Muslim State for most of its history.

It was a sharia state = fundamentalist.

The implementation of Sharia law does not necessarily indicate fundamentalism.

What, if not sharia (Koran-based law) indicates fundamentalism??

How can you be any more fundamentalist than by following the letter of the Koran??? What is MORE fundamentalist than the frikken foundation of Islam = the Koran!!!

You sound to me like Brian's slightly challenged understudy.

If I had to live under the Ottoman Empire during its heyday or under ISIS, I'd choose the Ottomans any day of week. You?

Glib and silly.

The question is: sharia law or not sharia law - NOT lax or strict sharia law.

No, it's a valid question. The implementation of that Sharia law determines if that country is 'fundamentalist.'

So, answer the question: would you prefer to live in the Ottoman Empire during its hey day, or during ISIS during its heyday?

Well, the Ottomans committed genocide against the Armenians so I don't see what your hairsplitting is designed to achieve. Would I be an Armenian under the Ottomans or Yazidi under ISIS??

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Reply #97 - Mar 20^th, 2017 at 10:01pm

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 7:29pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 9:35pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 9:21pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 9:12pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 8:01pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Since when did Fundamental Islam become a recognised sovereign State?

It was such a thing until 1918 and they want to re-constitute it by jihad (the mandatory islamic method for such things). It's a basic Islamic tenet called the caliphate.

The Ottoman Empire wasn't a fundamentalist Muslim State for most of its history.

It was a sharia state = fundamentalist.

The implementation of Sharia law does not necessarily indicate fundamentalism.

What, if not sharia (Koran-based law) indicates fundamentalism??

How can you be any more fundamentalist than by following the letter of the Koran??? What is MORE fundamentalist than the frikken foundation of Islam = the Koran!!!

You sound to me like Brian's slightly challenged understudy.

If I had to live under the Ottoman Empire during its heyday or under ISIS, I'd choose the Ottomans any day of week. You?

Glib and silly.

The question is: sharia law or not sharia law - NOT lax or strict sharia law.

No, it's a valid question. The implementation of that Sharia law determines if that country is 'fundamentalist.'

So, answer the question: would you prefer to live in the Ottoman Empire during its hey day, or during ISIS during its heyday?

Well, the Ottomans committed genocide against the Armenians so I don't see what your hairsplitting is designed to achieve. Would I be an Armenian under the Ottomans or Yazidi under ISIS??

That's why I said 'under the heyday of the Ottoman Empire.' The early 20th century wasn't their heyday.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49919 At my desk.	Re: Christianity vs Judaism vs Islam Reply #98 - Mar 21^st, 2017 at 6:50pm Muhammad committed genocide in his heyday.
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Aussie Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 39006 Gender:	Re: Christianity vs Judaism vs Islam Reply #99 - Mar 21^st, 2017 at 7:01pm freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 6:50pm: Muhammad committed genocide in his heyday. It is established fact that a bunch of 'Onward Christian Soldiers' did far worse at My Lai, Vietnam, and we do know it happened...unlike your unsubstantiated allegation about Mo. You need to take that monocle off Effendi.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49919 At my desk.	Re: Christianity vs Judaism vs Islam Reply #100 - Mar 21^st, 2017 at 8:14pm Good point Aussie. Muhammad was just some backwater warmonger from 1400 years ago. The real problem is that Muslims today such as Gandalf are supporting and excusing his Jew slaughtering.
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Reply #101 - Mar 21^st, 2017 at 8:23pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 7:01pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 6:50pm:

Muhammad committed genocide in his heyday.

It is established fact that a bunch of 'Onward Christian Soldiers' did far worse at My Lai, Vietnam, and we do know it happened...unlike your unsubstantiated allegation about Mo.

You need to take that monocle off Effendi.

Bollocks, ya stupid, ignorant, unlettered, semi-literate pr!ck.

Can I say that?

There was absolutely no 'Onward Christian Soldiers' aspect to Mi Lai. You are lying and you know it.

Now rack off.

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Reply #102 - Mar 21^st, 2017 at 8:23pm

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 8:14pm:

Good point Aussie. Muhammad was just some backwater warmonger from 1400 years ago. The real problem is that Muslims today such as Gandalf are supporting and excusing his Jew slaughtering.

Really? 'Jew slaughtering.' My Lai my. We can't have that can we.

Effendi.....I don't see it as 'Jew slaughtering,' at all, even if it actually happened and I gather (only from reading here) that is far from established. I see it as one mob of pissing dogs marking out their territory against another mob of dogs doing the same. Its been happening in the Land of Arabs for centuries.

Seems to me that this is just another 'Jew victim' story which began when they handed the spawn of some 'Spirit' Sky Fairy and a virgin wife of a carpenter over to Caesar.

'Religious' bullshit, the lot of it.

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Reply #103 - Mar 21^st, 2017 at 8:24pm

Frank wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 8:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 7:01pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 6:50pm:

Muhammad committed genocide in his heyday.

It is established fact that a bunch of 'Onward Christian Soldiers' did far worse at My Lai, Vietnam, and we do know it happened...unlike your unsubstantiated allegation about Mo.

You need to take that monocle off Effendi.

Bollocks, ya stupid, ignorant, unlettered, semi-literate pr!ck.

Can I say that?

There was absolutely no 'Onward Christian Soldiers' aspect to Mi Lai. You are lying and you know it.

Now rack off.

My mistake. The My Lai murderers were Muslims were they? Sorry.

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Reply #104 - Mar 21^st, 2017 at 8:32pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 8:24pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 8:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 7:01pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 6:50pm:

Muhammad committed genocide in his heyday.

It is established fact that a bunch of 'Onward Christian Soldiers' did far worse at My Lai, Vietnam, and we do know it happened...unlike your unsubstantiated allegation about Mo.

You need to take that monocle off Effendi.

Bollocks, ya stupid, ignorant, unlettered, semi-literate pr!ck.

Can I say that?

There was absolutely no 'Onward Christian Soldiers' aspect to Mi Lai. You are lying and you know it.

Now rack off.

My mistake. The My Lai murderers were Muslims were they? Sorry.

"ya stupid, ignorant, unlettered, semi-literate pr!ck" is correct.

You are a mentally negligibly, confused, incoherent man. You know nothing, you say shite because of your ignorance, you salivate and cheer over other mongs' incoherent nonsense that you do not comprehend or at best misunderstand. You have missed out on reading, on thinking, on intelligent conversation, on education in the broadest sense.

You actually look for the wrong end of the stick - that is your outer limit.

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