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Reply #61 - Mar 14^th, 2017 at 6:58pm

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According to Jewish holy Books Moses introduced the name of Yahweh during the exodus, the Hebrews were worshiping Y.H.W.H. long before they invaded Canaan.

All the information made on Wikipedia is backed by sources as is indicative of the references attached to them.

Well, according to the Quran, Allah is the same God as the Jewish and Christian God.

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Reply #62 - Mar 14^th, 2017 at 6:59pm

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So anyone with an agenda can alter wiki.

According to Jewish holy Books Moses introduced the name of Yahweh during the exodus, the Hebrews were worshiping Y.H.W.H. long before they invaded Canaan.

And you know who developed the theory of 'Allah as Moon God'? That's right: people with an agenda.

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Reply #63 - Mar 14^th, 2017 at 6:59pm

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Since when did Fundamental Islam become a recognised sovereign State?

It was such a thing until 1918 and they want to re-constitute it by jihad (the mandatory islamic method for such things). It's a basic Islamic tenet called the caliphate.

The Ottoman Empire wasn't a fundamentalist Muslim State for most of its history.

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Reply #64 - Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:48pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:47pm:

Raven wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 10:41am:

Ah no the Crusades and Inquisition and sending out Missionaries to convert the world to Christianity stopped ages ago... only a fool would state otherwise in the SECULAR WEST today these sentiments hardly exist and similarly as practices.

Anyone become a Mormon or Jehovah's Witness lately?

Are you arguing that Christianity doesn't want to convert people to their beliefs?

That is not exactly what I said is it....
there is no Christian state trying to convert the world to Christianity. We have freedom of religion these days, we have secular democracies. Unlike Islamic states.
I said the Secular West is not the same as those nations of the past where they sought to convert all nations to Christianity, much in the same way Fundamental Islam wishes to today. Catholicism and the Papacy does not hold sway as it did in times LONG past.

There is no single Christian state that has that goal in mind. There are no Christian nation states as there are Islamic states. The US or Italy might be the closest on certain levels, but you cannot compare them to the past or current Islamic states. Fundamental Islam lives in the past they claim the Crusades are still happening.

bwian thinks Mormons and Jehovahs witnesses are trying to convert the world to Christianity... they might like it if we all were, but there is no compulsion as there is with Fundamental Islam. Roll Eyes

Raven wasn't talking about Christianity as a state but as the religion and it does try to convert people, the TV shows, the pamphlets, the door knocking, the free newspapers.

Just the other day there was s knock at Raven's door. "Excuse me sir, have you heard the Good News"

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Reply #65 - Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:53pm

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Since when did Fundamental Islam become a recognised sovereign State?

It was such a thing until 1918 and they want to re-constitute it by jihad (the mandatory islamic method for such things). It's a basic Islamic tenet called the caliphate.

The Ottoman Empire wasn't a fundamentalist Muslim State for most of its history.

Pretty much every Muslim country was, and still is.

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Reply #66 - Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:54pm

Raven wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:48pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:47pm:

Raven wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 10:41am:

Ah no the Crusades and Inquisition and sending out Missionaries to convert the world to Christianity stopped ages ago... only a fool would state otherwise in the SECULAR WEST today these sentiments hardly exist and similarly as practices.

Anyone become a Mormon or Jehovah's Witness lately?

Are you arguing that Christianity doesn't want to convert people to their beliefs?

That is not exactly what I said is it....
there is no Christian state trying to convert the world to Christianity. We have freedom of religion these days, we have secular democracies. Unlike Islamic states.
I said the Secular West is not the same as those nations of the past where they sought to convert all nations to Christianity, much in the same way Fundamental Islam wishes to today. Catholicism and the Papacy does not hold sway as it did in times LONG past.

There is no single Christian state that has that goal in mind. There are no Christian nation states as there are Islamic states. The US or Italy might be the closest on certain levels, but you cannot compare them to the past or current Islamic states. Fundamental Islam lives in the past they claim the Crusades are still happening.

bwian thinks Mormons and Jehovahs witnesses are trying to convert the world to Christianity... they might like it if we all were, but there is no compulsion as there is with Fundamental Islam. Roll Eyes

Raven wasn't talking about Christianity as a state but as the religion and it does try to convert people, the TV shows, the pamphlets, the door knocking, the free newspapers.

Just the other day there was s knock at Raven's door. "Excuse me sir, have you heard the Good News"

"... While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, as of some gently rapping, rapping at chamber - only this and nothing more."

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Reply #67 - Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:54pm

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Since when did Fundamental Islam become a recognised sovereign State?

It was such a thing until 1918 and they want to re-constitute it by jihad (the mandatory islamic method for such things). It's a basic Islamic tenet called the caliphate.

The Ottoman Empire wasn't a fundamentalist Muslim State for most of its history.

It was a sharia state = fundamentalist.

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Reply #68 - Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:59pm

freediver wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:53pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Since when did Fundamental Islam become a recognised sovereign State?

It was such a thing until 1918 and they want to re-constitute it by jihad (the mandatory islamic method for such things). It's a basic Islamic tenet called the caliphate.

The Ottoman Empire wasn't a fundamentalist Muslim State for most of its history.

Pretty much every Muslim country was, and still is.

No, that's not true. For a certain time, the Mughal Empire under Akhbar the Great, the Empire was really tolerant and enlightened. In fact, Akhbar repealed the Jizya, and included Christians in his court and debated with them.

The Ottoman Empire wasn't a fundamentalist Muslim state for nearly all of its history, except toward the end when they committed genocide.

The Persian Empire (after 1501) wasn't a fundamentalist state; in fact they fought with the Ottomans numerous times. In the 1920's Iran become one of the first constitutional monarchies in the Islamic World and was the envy of the world thereof until the Americans and the British staged a coup and ousted a democratically-elected Prime Minister Mossaghdeh who nationalized the Anglo-Iranian company, so that the profits could be used for the people.

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Reply #69 - Mar 14^th, 2017 at 8:01pm

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Since when did Fundamental Islam become a recognised sovereign State?

It was such a thing until 1918 and they want to re-constitute it by jihad (the mandatory islamic method for such things). It's a basic Islamic tenet called the caliphate.

The Ottoman Empire wasn't a fundamentalist Muslim State for most of its history.

It was a sharia state = fundamentalist.

The implementation of Sharia law does not necessarily indicate fundamentalism.

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Reply #70 - Mar 14^th, 2017 at 9:02pm

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

Raven wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:48pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:47pm:

Raven wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 10:41am:

Ah no the Crusades and Inquisition and sending out Missionaries to convert the world to Christianity stopped ages ago... only a fool would state otherwise in the SECULAR WEST today these sentiments hardly exist and similarly as practices.

Anyone become a Mormon or Jehovah's Witness lately?

Are you arguing that Christianity doesn't want to convert people to their beliefs?

That is not exactly what I said is it....
there is no Christian state trying to convert the world to Christianity. We have freedom of religion these days, we have secular democracies. Unlike Islamic states.
I said the Secular West is not the same as those nations of the past where they sought to convert all nations to Christianity, much in the same way Fundamental Islam wishes to today. Catholicism and the Papacy does not hold sway as it did in times LONG past.

There is no single Christian state that has that goal in mind. There are no Christian nation states as there are Islamic states. The US or Italy might be the closest on certain levels, but you cannot compare them to the past or current Islamic states. Fundamental Islam lives in the past they claim the Crusades are still happening.

bwian thinks Mormons and Jehovahs witnesses are trying to convert the world to Christianity... they might like it if we all were, but there is no compulsion as there is with Fundamental Islam. Roll Eyes

Raven wasn't talking about Christianity as a state but as the religion and it does try to convert people, the TV shows, the pamphlets, the door knocking, the free newspapers.

Just the other day there was s knock at Raven's door. "Excuse me sir, have you heard the Good News"

"... While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, as of some gently rapping, rapping at chamber - only this and nothing more."

"And the Raven, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting on the pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door; And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon’s that is dreaming."

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Reply #71 - Mar 14^th, 2017 at 9:12pm

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 8:01pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Since when did Fundamental Islam become a recognised sovereign State?

It was such a thing until 1918 and they want to re-constitute it by jihad (the mandatory islamic method for such things). It's a basic Islamic tenet called the caliphate.

The Ottoman Empire wasn't a fundamentalist Muslim State for most of its history.

It was a sharia state = fundamentalist.

The implementation of Sharia law does not necessarily indicate fundamentalism.

What, if not sharia (Koran-based law) indicates fundamentalism??

How can you be any more fundamentalist than by following the letter of the Koran??? What is MORE fundamentalist than the frikken foundation of Islam = the Koran!!!

You sound to me like Brian's slightly challenged understudy.

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Reply #72 - Mar 14^th, 2017 at 9:17pm

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:59pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:53pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Since when did Fundamental Islam become a recognised sovereign State?

It was such a thing until 1918 and they want to re-constitute it by jihad (the mandatory islamic method for such things). It's a basic Islamic tenet called the caliphate.

The Ottoman Empire wasn't a fundamentalist Muslim State for most of its history.

Pretty much every Muslim country was, and still is.

No, that's not true. For a certain time, the Mughal Empire under Akhbar the Great, the Empire was really tolerant and enlightened.

That was in India. To this day Muslims struggle to take over the country. But not for lack of trying.

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Reply #73 - Mar 14^th, 2017 at 9:21pm

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 9:12pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 8:01pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Since when did Fundamental Islam become a recognised sovereign State?

It was such a thing until 1918 and they want to re-constitute it by jihad (the mandatory islamic method for such things). It's a basic Islamic tenet called the caliphate.

The Ottoman Empire wasn't a fundamentalist Muslim State for most of its history.

It was a sharia state = fundamentalist.

The implementation of Sharia law does not necessarily indicate fundamentalism.

What, if not sharia (Koran-based law) indicates fundamentalism??

How can you be any more fundamentalist than by following the letter of the Koran??? What is MORE fundamentalist than the frikken foundation of Islam = the Koran!!!

You sound to me like Brian's slightly challenged understudy.

If I had to live under the Ottoman Empire during its heyday or under ISIS, I'd choose the Ottomans any day of week. You?

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Reply #74 - Mar 14^th, 2017 at 9:23pm

freediver wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 9:17pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:59pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 7:53pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Since when did Fundamental Islam become a recognised sovereign State?

It was such a thing until 1918 and they want to re-constitute it by jihad (the mandatory islamic method for such things). It's a basic Islamic tenet called the caliphate.

The Ottoman Empire wasn't a fundamentalist Muslim State for most of its history.

Pretty much every Muslim country was, and still is.

No, that's not true. For a certain time, the Mughal Empire under Akhbar the Great, the Empire was really tolerant and enlightened.

That was in India. To this day Muslims struggle to take over the country. But not for lack of trying.

Doesn't matter. The Mughals conquered most of the Indian continent for about 150 years. They were an Islamic Empire. Doesn't matter where they were located.

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