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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #45 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:02am

Gordon wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:00am:

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 9:56am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 9:55am:

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 9:49am:

mothra wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 11:09am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 11:05am:

To be sensitive to women who've undergone the procedure, I'd be happy to refer to them as having undergone cutting, but the legal term for the procedure and the people who perform or encourage it should remain as FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION.

Why would you elect to be "sensitive" to the women individually but not collectively?

You didn't answer this question, Gordy.

Care to give it a stab?

Actually, I'd let them use whatever terminology makes them comfortable when on a one to one basis, but the global description would remain FGM.

Why would you elect to be "sensitive" to the women individually but not collectively?

Because I'm a kind sensitive guy.

Why don't you agree that girls deemed high risk of FGM shoudn't have yearly check ups? Why do you want to put them at risk?

The why not be sensitive on a global scale?

People at the coal face find the term FGM offensive.

Why not apply your sensitivity to them?

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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #46 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:02am

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 9:58am:

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 9:52am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 9:48am:

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 9:35am:

Seems to me you are a classic example of a man who doesn't really care about the women and the girls, just wants to use the issue to proote your own prejudices.

FD? Noooo. You can't be serious. Shocked

His only concern is for the women Roll Eyes

It's disgusting how men like FD, Baron and Gordy continue to abuse these women to eed their Islamophobia.

No attr how any ties i've stipulated that FGC isn't a Muslim only practice it's still "Muslim this" and "Muslim that".

It's beneath contempt.

Show me one single post where I've linked FGM exclusively to Islam or apologise.

I'm not trawling through hundreds of threads in which you have evidenced your Islamophobia to feed your ego.

So you just made it up. Cool.

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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #47 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:02am

Why we should stop using the phrase 'female genital mutilation'

A victim of female circumcision has spoken out against the western description of the traditional procedure, saying the use of the phrase 'female genital mutilation' is culturally insensitive. A young, respected member of the African community in Australia, Khadija Gbla told Waleed Aly that the use of harsh language only serves to alienate survivors of the procedure.

the word VICTIM tells me what it is... Angry

cutting of the human body without their consent.. is MUTILATION...

in some cultures cutting great scars all over ones body is all part of their culture..

would we accept that in AUstralia because they happen to be of a different colour????????>..

some how I dont think so....

what about the women who have the rings placed around their necks..they start at age 2. Roll Eyes

its mutilation in our world....

what people do in their own country is up to them

when they come to this country then they have to accept our culture and our rules...

to bad if they are offended..

I am offended by the very nature of this barbaric process..now they are searching for health reasons.. Roll Eyes

yeah right?...

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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #48 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:04am

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:02am:

Why we should stop using the phrase 'female genital mutilation'

A victim of female circumcision has spoken out against the western description of the traditional procedure, saying the use of the phrase 'female genital mutilation' is culturally insensitive. A young, respected member of the African community in Australia, Khadija Gbla told Waleed Aly that the use of harsh language only serves to alienate survivors of the procedure.

the word VICTIM tells me what it is... Angry

cutting of the human body without their consent.. is MUTILATION...

in some cultures cutting great scars all over ones body is all part of their culture..

would we accept that in AUstralia because they happen to be of a different colour????????>..

some how I dont think so....

what about the women who have the rings placed around their necks..they start at age 2. Roll Eyes

its mutilation in our world....

what people do in their own country is up to them

when they come to this country then they have to accept our culture and our rules...

to bad if they are offended..

I am offended by the very nature of this barbaric process..now they are searching for health reasons.. Roll Eyes

yeah right?...

If someone cut their daughters nose off, would they be prosecuted?

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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #49 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:04am

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:02am:

Why we should stop using the phrase 'female genital mutilation'

A victim of female circumcision has spoken out against the western description of the traditional procedure, saying the use of the phrase 'female genital mutilation' is culturally insensitive. A young, respected member of the African community in Australia, Khadija Gbla told Waleed Aly that the use of harsh language only serves to alienate survivors of the procedure.

the word VICTIM tells me what it is... Angry

cutting of the human body without their consent.. is MUTILATION...

in some cultures cutting great scars all over ones body is all part of their culture..

would we accept that in AUstralia because they happen to be of a different colour????????>..

some how I dont think so....

what about the women who have the rings placed around their necks..they start at age 2. Roll Eyes

its mutilation in our world....

what people do in their own country is up to them

when they come to this country then they have to accept our culture and our rules...

to bad if they are offended..

I am offended by the very nature of this barbaric process..now they are searching for health reasons.. Roll Eyes

yeah right?...

Cods:

"Perhaps most importantly, we should be very cautious in labeling and stigmatizing the girls and women who have been cut. We do not believe it is our place to tell them that they are “mutilated.” As with other victims of violence, we believe they have the human right to self-identify in whatever manner they choose."

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: FGC, not FGM Reply #50 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:05am gordon and mothra between you you ruin so many threads.. never fails.. agree to disagree...because this nonsense takes over every thread the two of you get into!!! now good old islamphobia has raised its ugly head... AGAIN grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: FGC, not FGM Reply #51 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:05am Gordon wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:04am: If someone but their daughters nose off, would they be prosecuted? who suggested that they not be prosecuted?
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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #52 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:07am

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:02am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:00am:

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 9:56am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 9:55am:

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 9:49am:

mothra wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 11:09am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 11:05am:

To be sensitive to women who've undergone the procedure, I'd be happy to refer to them as having undergone cutting, but the legal term for the procedure and the people who perform or encourage it should remain as FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION.

Why would you elect to be "sensitive" to the women individually but not collectively?

You didn't answer this question, Gordy.

Care to give it a stab?

Actually, I'd let them use whatever terminology makes them comfortable when on a one to one basis, but the global description would remain FGM.

Why would you elect to be "sensitive" to the women individually but not collectively?

Because I'm a kind sensitive guy.

Why don't you agree that girls deemed high risk of FGM shoudn't have yearly check ups? Why do you want to put them at risk?

The why not be sensitive on a global scale?

People at the coal face find the term FGM offensive.

Why not apply your sensitivity to them?

Gordy?

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Reply #53 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:13am

Mothra, when you say it was more successful, do you mean they were told: "Yes, of course we will stop enhancing our daughters' genitals for the enjoyment of the old man next door, but only if you convince the infidels to stop saying mutilate. Every time I hear that word I reach for my stanley knife. Go on, do it, before I start cutting again...."

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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #54 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:13am

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:05am:

gordon and mothra between you you ruin so many threads.. never fails..

agree to disagree...because this nonsense takes over every thread the two of you get into!!!

now good old islamphobia has raised its ugly head...

AGAIN

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Well Cods, I've actually never linked FGM exclusively to Islam as I understand it's a regional and cultural issue.

Scanning the list of countries that practice FGM the majority would be Muslims, and I've also linked where Imams have endorsed FGM, Indonesian I believe but I don't use FGM as a Muslim bashing tool, that's all in Mothra's deluded mind and she owes me an apology for lying about it.

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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #56 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:14am

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

[quote author=cods link=1489107506/47#47 date=1489190563]Why we should stop using the phrase 'female genital mutilation'

A victim of female circumcision has spoken out against the western description of the traditional procedure, saying the use of the phrase 'female genital mutilation' is culturally insensitive. A young, respected member of the African community in Australia, Khadija Gbla told Waleed Aly that the use of harsh language only serves to alienate survivors of the procedure.

the word VICTIM tells me what it is... Angry

cutting of the human body without their consent.. is MUTILATION...

in some cultures cutting great scars all over ones body is all part of their culture..

would we accept that in AUstralia because they happen to be of a different colour????????>..

some how I dont think so....

what about the women who have the rings placed around their necks..they start at age 2. Roll Eyes

its mutilation in our world....

what people do in their own country is up to them

when they come to this country then they have to accept our culture and our rules...

to bad if they are offended..

I am offended by the very nature of this barbaric process..now they are searching for health reasons.. Roll Eyes

yeah right?...

Cods:

"Perhaps most importantly, we should be very cautious in labeling and stigmatizing the girls and women who have been cut. We do not believe it is our place to tell them that they are “mutilated.” As with other victims of violence, we believe they have the human right to self-identify in whatever manner they choose." [/quote]

mothra can you point out where anyone has done that??????

can you also explain.. what the tell tale marks are that tells us they have been circumcised???... Roll Eyes

I am extremely aware that I have never once looked at an african women and suspected that... Angry

maybe I am living on a different planet....

but it bothers me that anyone can make an issue out of a 'word'... like cutting or mutilation.....

it is what it is... an invasion of someones body without their consent....

now you are claiming we demonise these women...bnecause of something that happened in their childhood..

I am sorry mothra.....I cant believe you are even serious about this.....

why do I get the impression you go out of your way to demonise this country and the people that live here..

why should we PRETEND

you admit its awful practice...

do you think calling it a different name will make these women feel better about what was done to them???

do you really think that???..

stimatise...

when have we ever done that????????..

its the people that do it..to others that are responsible not the victim....

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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #57 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:15am

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:13am:

Mothra, when you say it was more successful, do you mean they were told: "Yes, of course we will stop enhancing our daughters' genitals for the enjoyment of the old man next door, but only if you convince the infidels to stop saying mutilate. Every time I hear that word I reach for my stanley knife. Go on, do it, before I start cutting again...."

No.

And for the fourth time, it is not a Muslim only practice.

See how i answer your questions FD? Any chance you could answer any of mine?

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Reply #58 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:18am

This is just bloody sick.

Female genital cutting common in Indonesia, offered as part of child delivery by birth clinics

Performed on babies

The 2001-2002 study showed that 85.2% of FGMs was performed before girls reach the age of nine. The 2013 survey showed the age to be going down: 96.7% of FGMs were performed before the age of five years. Of that, 82.8% were performed on babies between the ages 0 and 11 months.

Indonesia tried to ban the practice in 2006. But religious clerics reacted by releasing an edict declaring that it was part of a religious practice. In 2010, the Indonesian Health Ministry released a regulation that allowed medical personnel to perform female genital cutting on young girls.

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https://theconversation.com/female-genital-cutting-common-in-indonesia-offered-a
s-part-of-child-delivery-by-birth-clinics-54379[/url]

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Reply #59 - Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:19am

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:14am:

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

[quote author=cods link=1489107506/47#47 date=1489190563]Why we should stop using the phrase 'female genital mutilation'

A victim of female circumcision has spoken out against the western description of the traditional procedure, saying the use of the phrase 'female genital mutilation' is culturally insensitive. A young, respected member of the African community in Australia, Khadija Gbla told Waleed Aly that the use of harsh language only serves to alienate survivors of the procedure.

the word VICTIM tells me what it is... Angry

cutting of the human body without their consent.. is MUTILATION...

in some cultures cutting great scars all over ones body is all part of their culture..

would we accept that in AUstralia because they happen to be of a different colour????????>..

some how I dont think so....

what about the women who have the rings placed around their necks..they start at age 2. Roll Eyes

its mutilation in our world....

what people do in their own country is up to them

when they come to this country then they have to accept our culture and our rules...

to bad if they are offended..

I am offended by the very nature of this barbaric process..now they are searching for health reasons.. Roll Eyes

yeah right?...

Cods:

"Perhaps most importantly, we should be very cautious in labeling and stigmatizing the girls and women who have been cut. We do not believe it is our place to tell them that they are “mutilated.” As with other victims of violence, we believe they have the human right to self-identify in whatever manner they choose." [/quote]

mothra can you point out where anyone has done that??????

can you also explain.. what the tell tale marks are that tells us they have been circumcised???... Roll Eyes

I am extremely aware that I have never once looked at an african women and suspected that... Angry

maybe I am living on a different planet....

but it bothers me that anyone can make an issue out of a 'word'... like cutting or mutilation.....

it is what it is... an invasion of someones body without their consent....

now you are claiming we demonise these women...bnecause of something that happened in their childhood..

I am sorry mothra.....I cant believe you are even serious about this.....

why do I get the impression you go out of your way to demonise this country and the people that live here..

why should we PRETEND

you admit its awful practice...

do you think calling it a different name will make these women feel better about what was done to them???

do you really think that???..

stimatise...

when have we ever done that????????..

its the people that do it..to others that are responsible not the victim....

I'm listening to what the women themselves say Cods. By and largee, they prefer not to be referred to as mutilated.

Don't you think they've been disempowered enough?

I'm also listening to the experts telling us what terminology works on getting cutters to put down their tools and parents not to expose their daughters to this horrendous experience.

I'm putting the girls and women before my outrage because i wan results.

I'm about results, Cods

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