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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #165 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 1:54pm

In order to reach a common ground in regards of how to address female genital cutting in the United States, there needs to be dialogue between African women’s groups and U.S. policymakers as well as a cross-cultural understanding of differing beliefs that are now a part of the United States because of immigration into the country. The federal law that has been passed in the United States opposing female genital cutting has left immigrants and refugees stranded. The law isolates African immigrant and refugee populations, and many feel that the language within both the laws themselves and the discussions about the procedure has marginalized them, characterizing their traditions as incorrectly and isolating entire groups of women. Because of this, the approach taken to addressing female genital cutting and immigration in the United States and the Western world at large needs to be one that utilizes numerous anthropological concepts. Pragmatics, imagined communities, and a holistic approach are all tools utilized in anthropology to attempt to understand cultural differences, and can be used in a political setting to help understand other cultures and belief systems that may be different than those of another country. Issues surrounding female genital cutting can only be solved when the marginalization of African groups in the United States ends, and only then can new dialogues about women’s rights be opened.

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18 USC § 116 - Female Genital Mutilation." LII. N.p., n.d. Web. 05 May 2013.

Female Genital Mutilation." WHO. World Health Organization, Feb. 2013. Web. 29 Apr. 2013.

Gunning, Isabelle R. (2002) "Female Genital Surgeries: Eradication Measures at the Western Local Level--A Cautionary Tale." Genital Cutting and Transnational Sisterhood: Disputing U.S. Polemics, 114-125. Urbana and Chicago: University of Illinois.

Kratz, Corinne A. (2007) "Seeking Asylum, Debating Values, and Setting Precedents in the 1990s." In Transcultural Bodies: Female Genital Cutting in Global Context, 169ff. New Brunswick: Rutgers University Press.

Robertson, Claire C. (2002) "Getting Beyond the Ew! Factor: Rethinking U.S. Approaches to African Female Genital Cutting." Genital Cutting and Transnational Sisterhood: Disputing U.S. Polemics, 54-81. Urbana and Chicago: University of Illinois. 54-81.

http://www.hofstra.edu/academics/colleges/hclas/anthro/hpia/hpia-weaver.html

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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #166 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 1:55pm

Gordon wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 1:46pm:

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parents of children U18 who've been subjected to FGM would be ineligible for immigration to any western country.

That would provide a disincentive to the practice.

Good idea, Gordon. This would require every girl entering Australia to have their clits checked.

But I'm curious - should we do the same for boys?

You should be okay. You're intact.

Firstly Karnal, this thread is about female genitalia. If you're so desperate to talk about penises then start your own thread.

As for checking clits, make it very well known that cutting or FGM or whatever you prefer to call it of girls under age 18 makes immigration to the west ineligible for parents.

What a great incentive not to do it!!!

As for checking, they'd simply bring a doctors certificate to the stage one interview and another check could be done during the mandatory health checks.

Can you fault this?

Can i fault that?

Yes.

No I mean apart from worrying about upsetting the sensibilities of the mutilators.

Pathetic

Another one more interested in their outrage than getting actual results or the car and well-being of the women and girl subjected to this brutality.

What I've suggested would provide incentive for it not to be done.
You've got nothing, as usual.

NO. it's not.

And i have a thread full of proof of what works and what is best for the girls and women so trauatised.

Is it my fault you won't read it because it challengs your prejudices?

I'm giving ideas that provide an strong incentive not to do it.
Sorry if that hurts the feelings of the mutilators but I'm not particularly concerned with their feelings.

It took you that long to come up with that piece of crap.

Why bring the "feelings" of the cutters into it? We weren't discussing them.

Desperate deflection.

Your only contribution is to change the name of the act to save peoples feelings.

You're a very boring keyboard warrior using this issue to cultivate a very boring persona of moral superiority.

How did all of my many points go sailing so very far over your head?

Why don't you want to provide the strongest possible deterrents to stop the mutilation of young girls?

Do you think it will offend Indonesia or other countries where mutilation is common if we push this issue too hard?

You're a morally confused sell-out.

Again, you think very simply.

Results aren't garnered by causing offense. That will only get people's backs up and if anything, push the processes further underground.

Couldn't you think of that yourself

If you were interviewing prospective immigrants and you noticed the daughters nose was missing, and the parents confessed they'd cut it of for cultural reasons. Would you grant them a visa?

Yes. Why not?

It would avail the daughter of the bet health care and expose the parents to the best chance of re-education.

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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #167 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 2:01pm

mothra wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 1:55pm: