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Reply #135 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 7:51am

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 12:36pm:

She began by explaining why she has a problem with the term ‘female genital mutilation’.

‘I think it’s quite harsh and it’s very western-centric,’ Ms Gbla told me. ‘In Africa mostly we call it “female circumcision”, which I think goes to show more respect to the victims, while “female genital mutilation” just conjures up horrible pictures in people’s minds... It doesn’t go to support or help our mental health.’ In brief, she objects to being described repeatedly as someone who is mutilated.

Her outer genitalia has been mutilated end of.

Hiding behind other names doesn't help .... especially using "circumcision" to describe it.

They have not been circumcised .... they have had their clitoris and labia removed/excised.

Following her logic then male circumsision should have a variant where the whole penis is removed.

That would be mutilation in any ones book.

So next time some irate woman lops off her partners penis whilst he's sleeping we'll just say she circumcised him? Roll Eyes

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Depending on severity FGM/FGC can cause huge problems for child birth and gynecological health. Let alone severely hamper or remove a females ability to enjoy sexual pleasure.

Using the subject to bash the west ..i.e. calling the name FGM as "western-centric doesn't help the cause.

In most cases it's westerners setting up clinics in those countries to treat the aftermath of this abhorrent procedure.

It needed to be called what it is to get people to support funding & outrage at this barbarity.

There are many more victims of this that are willing to call it mutilation & are speaking out.

This was from an article in the UK in 2013 -

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/ayaan-hirsi-ali-fgm-was-done-to-...

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Last week, the Standard reported that almost 66,000 women and girls living in the UK had suffered some form of genital cutting, often carried out by untrained family members with knives or razor blades, with a further 30,000 thought to be at risk. Freedom of Information requests revealed that more than 2,100 women had visited hospitals or clinics in London as a result of genital mutilation since 2006, and that more than 700 needed further treatment or surgery. A growing problem, FGM is often carried out on UK-born girls at about the age of five or six, though some are younger; and often happens during school holidays on visits to extended family in African countries where the practice is routine — most commonly, Somalia, Sierra Leone, Gambia, Nigeria, Eritrea and Sudan.

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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #136 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 7:56am

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 12:12pm:

parents of children U18 who've been subjected to FGM would be ineligible for immigration to any western country.

That would provide a disincentive to the practice.

Good idea, Gordon. This would require every girl entering Australia to have their clits checked.

But I'm curious - should we do the same for boys?

You should be okay. You're intact.

What for? Looking to see if they had their donga cut off?

FGM is no comparison to removal of the male foreskin.

Removing a clitoris is the same as chopping off a penis. Roll Eyes

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Reply #137 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 8:06am

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 11:38pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 11:35pm:

there should be nothing 'tricky' about changing people's minds from a western perspective. the disgust for this act should be so ingrained that it doesn't need an argument.

We're not addressing people with a Western perspective.

Didn't think that all the way through, did you?

But many of the victims are now living in Western Countries

and it's a growing problem with the daughters of these immigrants being born & raised in the West.

OK change the name to FGC so this woman feels more comfortable .....

is it going to actually stop her doing it to her own daughters?

I doubt it but as long as she feels comfortable. Roll Eyes

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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #138 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 8:30am

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 11:38pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 11:35pm:

there should be nothing 'tricky' about changing people's minds from a western perspective. the disgust for this act should be so ingrained that it doesn't need an argument.

We're not addressing people with a Western perspective.

Didn't think that all the way through, did you?

That's why we don't want then here.

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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #139 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 8:45am

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 9:14pm:

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 8:45pm:

I dont care what its called..

I just want it GONE for ever...

its barbaric.... and no amount of word changing will change that fact

you are crazy if you think that makes these women feel better.

If you don't care what its called, what are you arguing with me for?

As for wanting it ended, so do i. That has been my point all along.

The most success in ending it has come from approaching people on the coal face with non-confrontational terminology.

THAT is how they've got cutters to down their tools.

THAT is how they have entreated parents not to put their daughters through it.

How many times do i need to explain it?

I am not arguing about a word mothra

YOU ARE..

you claim cutting WORKS>>>to make those who have been cut FEEL BETTER>..

I am saying bullshite...

if a man had his leg cut off... would he feel better about it if they said.. hey you are leg free...

I dont think that would work for me.. thats all I am saying...

you use words like WE.. then you say you are not talking about Wstern people..

if youa re talking about the Africans and how they perceive these poor women..
then shouldnt this be on an African forum....

as far as I know this is not top of Western topics anywhere.... its sad its terrible I cant be open about that..

but can we change how Africans deal with it????????..

not in ozpol I dont think..

mothra you brought this topic here..... not I..

you have to listen to other people if you want changes made..

I do not think I have seen anywhere where an Australian hasnt been appalled by this no way would they approach any female of African descent and ask her if she has been circumcised..... Roll Eyes

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so why would any aussie use either word..?????

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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #140 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 8:47am

Gnads wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 8:06am:

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 11:38pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 11:35pm:

there should be nothing 'tricky' about changing people's minds from a western perspective. the disgust for this act should be so ingrained that it doesn't need an argument.

We're not addressing people with a Western perspective.

Didn't think that all the way through, did you?

But many of the victims are now living in Western Countries

and it's a growing problem with the daughters of these immigrants being born & raised in the West.

OK change the name to FGC so this woman feels more comfortable .....

is it going to actually stop her doing it to her own daughters?

I doubt it but as long as she feels comfortable. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

exactly.... she will be okay with her girls being done as long as there is no pain....what the!!!!!!!!!..

and mothra thinks its all about the WORD> Roll Eyes

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take it to the Project I am sure mothra and Aleed will be thrilled to talk about it.... and tell us all how awful aussies are. Sad

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Reply #141 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 9:23am

Gnads wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 7:51am:

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 12:36pm:

She began by explaining why she has a problem with the term ‘female genital mutilation’.

‘I think it’s quite harsh and it’s very western-centric,’ Ms Gbla told me. ‘In Africa mostly we call it “female circumcision”, which I think goes to show more respect to the victims, while “female genital mutilation” just conjures up horrible pictures in people’s minds... It doesn’t go to support or help our mental health.’ In brief, she objects to being described repeatedly as someone who is mutilated.

Her outer genitalia has been mutilated end of.

Hiding behind other names doesn't help .... especially using "circumcision" to describe it.

They have not been circumcised .... they have had their clitoris and labia removed/excised.

Following her logic then male circumsision should have a variant where the whole penis is removed.

That would be mutilation in any ones book.

So next time some irate woman lops off her partners penis whilst he's sleeping we'll just say she circumcised him? Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Depending on severity FGM/FGC can cause huge problems for child birth and gynecological health. Let alone severely hamper or remove a females ability to enjoy sexual pleasure.

Using the subject to bash the west ..i.e. calling the name FGM as "western-centric doesn't help the cause.

In most cases it's westerners setting up clinics in those countries to treat the aftermath of this abhorrent procedure.

It needed to be called what it is to get people to support funding & outrage at this barbarity.

There are many more victims of this that are willing to call it mutilation & are speaking out.

This was from an article in the UK in 2013 -

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/ayaan-hirsi-ali-fgm-was-done-to-...

Quote:

Last week, the Standard reported that almost 66,000 women and girls living in the UK had suffered some form of genital cutting, often carried out by untrained family members with knives or razor blades, with a further 30,000 thought to be at risk. Freedom of Information requests revealed that more than 2,100 women had visited hospitals or clinics in London as a result of genital mutilation since 2006, and that more than 700 needed further treatment or surgery. A growing problem, FGM is often carried out on UK-born girls at about the age of five or six, though some are younger; and often happens during school holidays on visits to extended family in African countries where the practice is routine — most commonly, Somalia, Sierra Leone, Gambia, Nigeria, Eritrea and Sudan.

Nice. She thinks it is important to show respect to the children you are mutilating.

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Re: FGC, not FGM
Reply #142 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 12:22pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 7:56am:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 12:12pm:

parents of children U18 who've been subjected to FGM would be ineligible for immigration to any western country.

That would provide a disincentive to the practice.

Good idea, Gordon. This would require every girl entering Australia to have their clits checked.

But I'm curious - should we do the same for boys?

You should be okay. You're intact.

What for? Looking to see if they had their donga cut off?

FGM is no comparison to removal of the male foreskin.

Removing a clitoris is the same as chopping off a penis. Roll Eyes

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Yes, we need to check all boys and girls immigrating to the West to see if they've had their parts removed so we can ban their parents.

That's the argument, and we're sticking with it.

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Reply #143 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 12:26pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 7:51am:

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 12:36pm:

She began by explaining why she has a problem with the term ‘female genital mutilation’.

‘I think it’s quite harsh and it’s very western-centric,’ Ms Gbla told me. ‘In Africa mostly we call it “female circumcision”, which I think goes to show more respect to the victims, while “female genital mutilation” just conjures up horrible pictures in people’s minds... It doesn’t go to support or help our mental health.’ In brief, she objects to being described repeatedly as someone who is mutilated.

Her outer genitalia has been mutilated end of.

Hiding behind other names doesn't help .... especially using "circumcision" to describe it.

They have not been circumcised .... they have had their clitoris and labia removed/excised.

Following her logic then male circumsision should have a variant where the whole penis is removed.

That would be mutilation in any ones book.

So next time some irate woman lops off her partners penis whilst he's sleeping we'll just say she circumcised him? Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Depending on severity FGM/FGC can cause huge problems for child birth and gynecological health. Let alone severely hamper or remove a females ability to enjoy sexual pleasure.

Using the subject to bash the west ..i.e. calling the name FGM as "western-centric doesn't help the cause.

In most cases it's westerners setting up clinics in those countries to treat the aftermath of this abhorrent procedure.

It needed to be called what it is to get people to support funding & outrage at this barbarity.

There are many more victims of this that are willing to call it mutilation & are speaking out.

This was from an article in the UK in 2013 -

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/ayaan-hirsi-ali-fgm-was-done-to-...

Quote:

Last week, the Standard reported that almost 66,000 women and girls living in the UK had suffered some form of genital cutting, often carried out by untrained family members with knives or razor blades, with a further 30,000 thought to be at risk. Freedom of Information requests revealed that more than 2,100 women had visited hospitals or clinics in London as a result of genital mutilation since 2006, and that more than 700 needed further treatment or surgery. A growing problem, FGM is often carried out on UK-born girls at about the age of five or six, though some are younger; and often happens during school holidays on visits to extended family in African countries where the practice is routine — most commonly, Somalia, Sierra Leone, Gambia, Nigeria, Eritrea and Sudan.

Whose hiding behind anything? I'll say to ou what i said to Mistie, isn't
t the term Female Genital Cutting evocative for you Doesn't it conjure up enough horror?

Furthermore in incorporates the women who have NOT been utilated, but erely nicked. From which there are numerous health problem and they can bleed to death?

YES they've been mutilated from a Western perspective but we're not dealing with a Western perspective in trying to stop it.

Why can't you understand that?

I've evidenced it time and time again.

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #144 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 12:30pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 8:06am:

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 11:38pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 11:35pm:

there should be nothing 'tricky' about changing people's minds from a western perspective. the disgust for this act should be so ingrained that it doesn't need an argument.

We're not addressing people with a Western perspective.

Didn't think that all the way through, did you?

But many of the victims are now living in Western Countries

and it's a growing problem with the daughters of these immigrants being born & raised in the West.

OK change the name to FGC so this woman feels more comfortable .....

is it going to actually stop her doing it to her own daughters?

I doubt it but as long as she feels comfortable. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Is it going to stop her doing it to her daughters>

YES!

That is the point i'v been making. Why do you refuse to accept it?

Referring to it as FGC over FGM IS garnering real results.

For the UMPTEENTH TIME .. it has resulted in cutters downing their tools .. in oarent's choosing not to force their daughters to undergo the abhorrent procedure ... even in reconsideration by tribal elders.

How many times do i need to say it?

You people are more concerned with your outrage than in getting results.

Shame on you.

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #145 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 12:32pm

cods wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 8:47am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 8:06am:

mothra wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 11:38pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 11:35pm:

there should be nothing 'tricky' about changing people's minds from a western perspective. the disgust for this act should be so ingrained that it doesn't need an argument.

We're not addressing people with a Western perspective.

Didn't think that all the way through, did you?

But many of the victims are now living in Western Countries

and it's a growing problem with the daughters of these immigrants being born & raised in the West.

OK change the name to FGC so this woman feels more comfortable .....

is it going to actually stop her doing it to her own daughters?

I doubt it but as long as she feels comfortable. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

exactly.... she will be okay with her girls being done as long as there is no pain....what the!!!!!!!!!..

and mothra thinks its all about the WORD> Roll Eyes

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take it to the Project I am sure mothra and Aleed will be thrilled to talk about it.... and tell us all how awful aussies are. Sad

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I don't think it;s all about a word COds.

I am simply saying that there are nuerous benefits to usig the word cutting over the word mutilation.

I have outlined them.. Repeatedly.

How you keep issing all of the points is utterly gobsmacking.

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #146 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 12:35pm

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 12:12pm:

parents of children U18 who've been subjected to FGM would be ineligible for immigration to any western country.

That would provide a disincentive to the practice.

Good idea, Gordon. This would require every girl entering Australia to have their clits checked.

But I'm curious - should we do the same for boys?

You should be okay. You're intact.

Firstly Karnal, this thread is about female genitalia. If you're so desperate to talk about penises then start your own thread.

As for checking clits, make it very well known that cutting or FGM or whatever you prefer to call it of girls under age 18 makes immigration to the west ineligible for parents.

What a great incentive not to do it!!!

As for checking, they'd simply bring a doctors certificate to the stage one interview and another check could be done during the mandatory health checks.

Can you fault this?

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Reply #147 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 12:51pm

Gordon wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 12:12pm:

parents of children U18 who've been subjected to FGM would be ineligible for immigration to any western country.

That would provide a disincentive to the practice.

Good idea, Gordon. This would require every girl entering Australia to have their clits checked.

But I'm curious - should we do the same for boys?

You should be okay. You're intact.

Firstly Karnal, this thread is about female genitalia. If you're so desperate to talk about penises then start your own thread.

As for checking clits, make it very well known that cutting or FGM or whatever you prefer to call it of girls under age 18 makes immigration to the west ineligible for parents.

What a great incentive not to do it!!!

As for checking, they'd simply bring a doctors certificate to the stage one interview and another check could be done during the mandatory health checks.

Can you fault this?

Can i fault that?

Yes.

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #148 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 12:55pm

mothra wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 12:12pm:

parents of children U18 who've been subjected to FGM would be ineligible for immigration to any western country.

That would provide a disincentive to the practice.

Good idea, Gordon. This would require every girl entering Australia to have their clits checked.

But I'm curious - should we do the same for boys?

You should be okay. You're intact.

Firstly Karnal, this thread is about female genitalia. If you're so desperate to talk about penises then start your own thread.

As for checking clits, make it very well known that cutting or FGM or whatever you prefer to call it of girls under age 18 makes immigration to the west ineligible for parents.

What a great incentive not to do it!!!

As for checking, they'd simply bring a doctors certificate to the stage one interview and another check could be done during the mandatory health checks.

Can you fault this?

Can i fault that?

Yes.

No I mean apart from worrying about upsetting the sensibilities of the mutilators.

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Reply #149 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 12:57pm

Gordon wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 11^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 12:12pm:

parents of children U18 who've been subjected to FGM would be ineligible for immigration to any western country.

That would provide a disincentive to the practice.

Good idea, Gordon. This would require every girl entering Australia to have their clits checked.

But I'm curious - should we do the same for boys?

You should be okay. You're intact.

Firstly Karnal, this thread is about female genitalia. If you're so desperate to talk about penises then start your own thread.

As for checking clits, make it very well known that cutting or FGM or whatever you prefer to call it of girls under age 18 makes immigration to the west ineligible for parents.

What a great incentive not to do it!!!

As for checking, they'd simply bring a doctors certificate to the stage one interview and another check could be done during the mandatory health checks.

Can you fault this?

Can i fault that?

Yes.

No I mean apart from worrying about upsetting the sensibilities of the mutilators.

Pathetic

Another one more interested in their outrage than getting actual results or the car and well-being of the women and girl subjected to this brutality.

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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