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Mar 10th, 2017 at 10:58am
 
It seems Female Genital Cutting is now thee prefered term over Feale Genital Mutilation.

There are two very good reasons for this.

The first is that FGM doesn't explain the widev ariety of cutting procedures performed on woen and girls.

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I am pleased to see my colleagues from WHO enter into this fruitful and lively series of discussion on TierneyLab. As they note, there is no shortage of research on the health effects of various forms of female genital cutting. Their commentary, however, illustrates three problems that will not be resolved by any amount of further research on the medical consequences of female genital cutting because they are interpretive rather than empirical issues. These are:

1. Conclusions about the “medical sequelae of FGM” are applied to the monolithic, undifferentiated practice, and do not seriously differentiate the risks posed by widely various forms of FGC that are performed under a diverse set of circumstances.

Yes, researchers who review the enormous literature on health risks posed by female genital cutting try to differentiate the magnitude of risk by type of cutting. The conclusions, however, are all too often applied to the entire range of practices that are classified as “FGM” without differentiating the obvious difference in risk posed by varied forms of the practice. Yes, there are blindingly obvious risks associated with infibulations. But it is also obvious that nicking, a practice that involves no removal of tissue or permanent alteration of the female genitalia, is not more risky than forms of male circumcision or body piercing that are widely (though obviously not uniformly) condoned in Western society.


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Reply #1 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:00am
 
The second reason is expressed most touchingly by a woman who has undergone the procedure.

I implore you ll to consider her words:


Why we should stop using the phrase 'female genital mutilation'


A victim of female circumcision has spoken out against the western description of the traditional procedure, saying the use of the phrase 'female genital mutilation' is culturally insensitive. A young, respected member of the African community in Australia, Khadija Gbla told Waleed Aly that the use of harsh language only serves to alienate survivors of the procedure.



Last week I travelled to Parliament House to help facilitate the National Summit on Female Genital Mutilation.

It was a bipartisan, multi-government event: there were representatives from the government and the opposition as well as state government representatives. The idea was to create a forum for the full range of people, from community organisations to health service providers, to discuss the practice of female genital mutilation, its existence in Australia, and how we can go about eliminating it.

This is not an entirely new debate to people in Australia, but how often do you hear the voices of those who are victims of this process? I would say almost never.

Khadija Gbla is one such victim. She spoke powerfully at the summit, and took a moment to talk to us on RN Drive.

She began by explaining why she has a problem with the term ‘female genital mutilation’.

‘I think it’s quite harsh and it’s very western-centric,’ Ms Gbla told me. ‘In Africa mostly we call it “female circumcision”, which I think goes to show more respect to the victims, while “female genital mutilation” just conjures up horrible pictures in people’s minds... It doesn’t go to support or help our mental health.’ In brief, she objects to being described repeatedly as someone who is mutilated.

Ms Gbla is a former Young South Australian of the Year and has also been named the Young African Australian of the Year. Her story begins in a refugee camp in Gambia, where she and her mother fled to escape war in Sierra Leone. One day when she was nine years old her mother told her they were going to visit a family member in a nearby town.

‘[A]nd before I knew it I was being held down by my mum, and this old lady with some blunt knife that looked rusted was coming towards me,’ she said. ‘[T]his lady started cutting inch-by-inch-by-inch something very precious, which at the time I took for granted because I didn’t know what was happening.’

Although the experience was painful, in Gambia what had happened to her was considered normal and positive—a ‘natural process of life’ that was a rite of passage into womanhood.

‘It was celebrated. And we were told something beautiful had happened to us. We had come of age, you know? A woman shouldn’t have a clitoris; it’s stinky, it is smelly, it gets in the way of things, it’s going to make you want to jump every man you see, you’re not going to be able to stay as a virgin until you get married.’

Then she migrated to Australia and that soon changed. The pages of Dolly and Girlfriend magazines became her tormentors with the numerous articles she read that focused positively on the clitoris. Western culture made her feel like she wasn’t a real woman, that she was ‘incomplete’.

‘I felt like the western culture was treating me like some complete freak of nature and almost putting the blame on women like us for what had happened, when I had no choice in the matter—no consent was given for what happened to me,’ she said.

Suddenly the trauma of her FGM had become much sharper, and her anger began to affect her interaction with her family and her community. Although she doesn’t blame her mother, the incident has troubled their relationship.

‘I said to her, on the one hand I forgive her because she was ignorant of what she was doing; on the other hand, this stops at my generation,’ Ms Gbla said. ‘Whether she likes it or not, I am not going to continue the practice and have become very outspoken about the issue since I was 13.’

Now, Ms Gbla is trying to build solidarity and belonging amongst young women who have suffered FGM by running a local women’s group. She faces some community opposition, including occasionally from her mother, but her cause is too important to her to let that stop her.

‘[W]hat we the girls do is talk about being circumcised, talk about a world with no clitoris, and talk about how if we had a white man, he really won’t have to struggle to look for a clitoris, because there isn’t one,’ she joked.  It’s amazing that she can laugh at this, but there’s no mistaking how seriously she takes the issue.

The aim of last week’s summit—which I was lucky enough to be able to observe and help facilitate a session—was to try to figure out a way that this practice can be eradicated from Australia, and then beyond that, the world. In the Australian context, we don’t know how widespread FGM is. It might be fairly small, but we know it exists. However, one of Ms Gbla’s most powerful points is that denouncing the communities where this is practice is unlikely to help; in fact, it will probably cause FGM to go even further underground.

‘We have to remember we shouldn’t come from a moral high ground, thinking that we’re better than them or we don’t have our own skeletons in our closet of things that we do in our culture, in the western setting, that some cultures would consider barbaric, just like we th
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Reply #2 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:01am
 
‘We have to remember we shouldn’t come from a moral high ground, thinking that we’re better than them or we don’t have our own skeletons in our closet of things that we do in our culture, in the western setting, that some cultures would consider barbaric, just like we think female circumcision is barbaric,’ Ms Gbla said.

She says the important thing is to give ownership of the issue to the communities where FGM is still prevalent, and to convince people to take a stand and move their cultures forward.

‘We [the FGM community] thought we were doing it out of love, but now we need to love them [women] enough not to harm them in this way,’ she says. ‘We need to love them enough not to have them have stomach pains for the rest of their life, not be able to have babies, have infections constantly. We need to love them enough not to want to hurt them.’

There is a long road ahead though, and while reform figures like Ms Gbla are optimistic about change, there’s also the risk that the wrong approach could see a stubborn underground continue to practise FGM for some time. If the perpetrators of FGM are constantly described as barbaric and are condemned, they are likely to close ranks.

‘I don’t think that you solve any problem by being judgemental,’ Ms Gbla says. ‘What you do is come from a place of understanding and humbleness... It’s about them, and we need to empower them to change.’

‘This is not about us telling them how they should change or how we’re better than them. It has to be a respectful conversation and that’s the only way we can save girls from having this horrific experience that I had.’


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Reply #3 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:05am
 
To be sensitive to women who've undergone the procedure, I'd be happy to refer to them as having undergone cutting, but the legal term for the procedure  and the people who perform or encourage it should remain as  FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION.
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Reply #4 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:09am
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:05am:
To be sensitive to women who've undergone the procedure, I'd be happy to refer to them as having undergone cutting, but the legal term for the procedure  and the people who perform or encourage it should remain as  FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION.



Why would you leect to be "sensitive" to the women individually but not collectively?

Clearly you missed the part where siple cutting, ie: not mutilation, is excluded from the term FGM yet still is profoundly unsafe?

Why would you exclude these women?
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Reply #5 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:37am
 
Where is the moral outrage?

Warning: internal conflict disabling critical judgement function!
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Reply #6 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:43am
 
This is just typical of the regressive left. Expend all the effort dancing around the language of something while failing to address the actual issue.

Here's my solution for western countries.

All children deemed at risk of being subjected to FGM to have yearly examinations by a paediatrician. Failure by parents to comply would result in both parents being jailed for 10 years.

Any child found to have undergone FGM in Australia or overseas, both parents jailed for life no prospect of parole.

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Reply #7 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:49am
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:43am:
This is just typical of the regressive left. Expend all the effort dancing around the language of something while failing to address the actual issue.

Here's my solution for western countries.

All children deemed at risk of being subjected to FGM to have yearly examinations by a paediatrician. Failure by parents to comply would result in both parents being jailed for 10 years.

Any child found to have undergone FGM in Australia or overseas, both parents jailed for life no prospect of parole.




Nope. Regressive right.

Won;t even call it FGC when it's abundantly clear that is the more sensitive, incorperative and applicable terminology.

You don;t care about the women and the girls at all. Not in the slightest,

You just use this appalling act to push your own twisted agendas.
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Reply #8 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:02pm
 
Never mind what you call "the twisted agendas".

If freedom lovers didn't raise these issues people like you would hide them away in the closet and hang a sign on it "Safety Warning: do not look at contents"
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Reply #9 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:06pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:02pm:
Never mind what you call "the twisted agendas".

If freedom lovers didn't raise these issues people like you would hide them away in the closet and hang a sign on it "Safety Warning: do not look at contents"


Yet not only have i been an active campaigner against FGC for over 2 decades, i have started 2 threads on it on here.

You're ridiculous.


You use these girls and women to push your hatred. You're disgusting.
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Reply #10 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:12pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:49am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:43am:
This is just typical of the regressive left. Expend all the effort dancing around the language of something while failing to address the actual issue.

Here's my solution for western countries.

All children deemed at risk of being subjected to FGM to have yearly examinations by a paediatrician. Failure by parents to comply would result in both parents being jailed for 10 years.

Any child found to have undergone FGM in Australia or overseas, both parents jailed for life no prospect of parole.




Nope. Regressive right.

Won;t even call it FGC when it's abundantly clear that is the more sensitive, incorperative and applicable terminology.

You don;t care about the women and the girls at all. Not in the slightest,

You just use this appalling act to push your own twisted agendas.


Mothra, why do you place the cultural sensitivities of those involved above ending the practice?

Additional to the above, parents of children U18 who've been subjected to FGM would be ineligible for immigration to any western country.

That would provide a disincentive to the practice.

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Reply #11 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:15pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:12pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:49am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:43am:
This is just typical of the regressive left. Expend all the effort dancing around the language of something while failing to address the actual issue.

Here's my solution for western countries.

All children deemed at risk of being subjected to FGM to have yearly examinations by a paediatrician. Failure by parents to comply would result in both parents being jailed for 10 years.

Any child found to have undergone FGM in Australia or overseas, both parents jailed for life no prospect of parole.




Nope. Regressive right.

Won;t even call it FGC when it's abundantly clear that is the more sensitive, incorperative and applicable terminology.

You don;t care about the women and the girls at all. Not in the slightest,

You just use this appalling act to push your own twisted agendas.


Mothra, why do you place the cultural sensitivities of those involved above ending the practice?

Additional to the above, parents of children U18 who've been subjected to FGM would be ineligible for immigration to any western country.

That would provide a disincentive to the practice.





A:  Where the hell did you pull that from? Just because you are not on the side of the girls and women, don;t assume i am not. What a load of bullshit.

B: Why should they be precluded from coming to Australia? Don't you want them to learn best practices and avail their daughters of the best medical care?
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Reply #12 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:18pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:15pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:12pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:49am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:43am:
This is just typical of the regressive left. Expend all the effort dancing around the language of something while failing to address the actual issue.

Here's my solution for western countries.

All children deemed at risk of being subjected to FGM to have yearly examinations by a paediatrician. Failure by parents to comply would result in both parents being jailed for 10 years.

Any child found to have undergone FGM in Australia or overseas, both parents jailed for life no prospect of parole.




Nope. Regressive right.

Won;t even call it FGC when it's abundantly clear that is the more sensitive, incorperative and applicable terminology.

You don;t care about the women and the girls at all. Not in the slightest,

You just use this appalling act to push your own twisted agendas.


Mothra, why do you place the cultural sensitivities of those involved above ending the practice?

Additional to the above, parents of children U18 who've been subjected to FGM would be ineligible for immigration to any western country.

That would provide a disincentive to the practice.



B: Why should they be precluded from coming to Australia? Don't you want them to learn best practices and avail their daughters of the best medical care?


It would become common knowledge that if you cut your children there is no chance of a visa to a western country.

Carrot and stick
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Reply #13 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:32pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:15pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:12pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:49am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:43am:
This is just typical of the regressive left. Expend all the effort dancing around the language of something while failing to address the actual issue.

Here's my solution for western countries.

All children deemed at risk of being subjected to FGM to have yearly examinations by a paediatrician. Failure by parents to comply would result in both parents being jailed for 10 years.

Any child found to have undergone FGM in Australia or overseas, both parents jailed for life no prospect of parole.




Nope. Regressive right.

Won;t even call it FGC when it's abundantly clear that is the more sensitive, incorperative and applicable terminology.

You don;t care about the women and the girls at all. Not in the slightest,

You just use this appalling act to push your own twisted agendas.


Mothra, why do you place the cultural sensitivities of those involved above ending the practice?

Additional to the above, parents of children U18 who've been subjected to FGM would be ineligible for immigration to any western country.

That would provide a disincentive to the practice.



B: Why should they be precluded from coming to Australia? Don't you want them to learn best practices and avail their daughters of the best medical care?


It would become common knowledge that if you cut your children there is no chance of a visa to a western country.

Carrot and stick



God you think simply.
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Reply #14 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:37pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:32pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:15pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:12pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:49am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:43am:
This is just typical of the regressive left. Expend all the effort dancing around the language of something while failing to address the actual issue.

Here's my solution for western countries.

All children deemed at risk of being subjected to FGM to have yearly examinations by a paediatrician. Failure by parents to comply would result in both parents being jailed for 10 years.

Any child found to have undergone FGM in Australia or overseas, both parents jailed for life no prospect of parole.




Nope. Regressive right.

Won;t even call it FGC when it's abundantly clear that is the more sensitive, incorperative and applicable terminology.

You don;t care about the women and the girls at all. Not in the slightest,

You just use this appalling act to push your own twisted agendas.


Mothra, why do you place the cultural sensitivities of those involved above ending the practice?

Additional to the above, parents of children U18 who've been subjected to FGM would be ineligible for immigration to any western country.

That would provide a disincentive to the practice.



B: Why should they be precluded from coming to Australia? Don't you want them to learn best practices and avail their daughters of the best medical care?


It would become common knowledge that if you cut your children there is no chance of a visa to a western country.

Carrot and stick



God you think simply.


You'd prioritise immigration for families with girls who've had FGM thus providing a perverse incentive for it 

Typical morally confused regressive left
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