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The Deep State War on Trump...
Mar 5th, 2017 at 8:27am
 
its just non stop with these scumbags...

Donald J Trump is the Democratically Elected President of the United States but this scum is doing every thing they can to go against the will of the people...

there are so many plants in the Trump administration its just not funny....

Flynn should never have resigned...

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Reply #1 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 9:03am
 
These Leftwankers just will not accept the election result.

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Reply #2 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 9:08am
 
You don't think it is just that his paranoid delusions are self fulfilling ?

Take into consideration that he is by far the most unpopular new president ever and it relates to a number of serious issues that would mean he should have never been elected as President, there has never been a previous president that the people of the US didn't get behind following the election not until now. This guy is just one step too far.
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Reply #3 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 9:40am
 
This guy will just serve out his term but will never be accepted by the general sane population of america as president. He is a disgrace to the position with his lies and deceit. America made a huge mistake and now must bide their time to turf the idiot.
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Reply #4 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:52pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 9:08am:
You don't think it is just that his paranoid delusions are self fulfilling ?

Take into consideration that he is by far the most unpopular new president ever and it relates to a number of serious issues that would mean he should have never been elected as President, there has never been a previous president that the people of the US didn't get behind following the election not until now. This guy is just one step too far.


absolute garbage...

I've been on a few open live forums lately with Americans... there is non stop Praise for Trump...

just like before the election how the Lame Stream Media said. that Clinton was going to win by a landslide!!! and everyone hated Trump!!!

Turns out... IT WAS ALL FAKE NEWS AND LIES...

and now after the election?

"oh, he's so unpopular." ... BULLSHIT>>>>>>>>

and that of the ongoing attacks on the Trump administration is an utter disgrace...  Angry
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Reply #5 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:54pm
 
Trump is going down not because of the deep state, but because he has lost his sanity, if indeed he ever had it.
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Reply #6 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:55pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:52pm:
... Trump administration is an utter disgrace...  Angry


The Mechanic has never been more lucid.
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Reply #7 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:56pm
 
and the main reason that they want Trump out is because he's already making the passed Presidents look like Jackass's and crooks..

which they are...

they have to get Him out ASAP because things are going so well... the stock market is BOOMING and everyone in the US has now got more confidence and hope is back in town...

so far he's smashing it out of the park..

SO LETS BRING THE RUSSIANS BACK....

THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING..

and it was the ******* Clintons who sold Uranium to the Russians...

after they forced them to donate MILLIONS into the Clinton foundation....

fair dinkum....
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Reply #8 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:57pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 8:27am:
Flynn should never have resigned...

Why did Trump accept his resignation?
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Reply #9 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 7:09pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:52pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 9:08am:
You don't think it is just that his paranoid delusions are self fulfilling ?

Take into consideration that he is by far the most unpopular new president ever and it relates to a number of serious issues that would mean he should have never been elected as President, there has never been a previous president that the people of the US didn't get behind following the election not until now. This guy is just one step too far.


absolute garbage...

I've been on a few open live forums lately with Americans... there is non stop Praise for Trump...

just like before the election how the Lame Stream Media said. that Clinton was going to win by a landslide!!! and everyone hated Trump!!!

Turns out... IT WAS ALL FAKE NEWS AND LIES...

and now after the election?

"oh, he's so unpopular." ... BULLSHIT>>>>>>>>

and that of the ongoing attacks on the Trump administration is an utter disgrace...  Angry


If what you have said was true than you would not be here starting topics like this.

You don't start a topic crying about everyone picking on poor Donny and then claim that everyone loves him. 
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Reply #10 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 7:11pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:57pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 8:27am:
Flynn should never have resigned...

Why did Trump accept his resignation?


Because Trump asked him to resign most likely.
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Reply #11 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:54am
 
Lets be clear.

The media, establishment, oligarchs, bureaucrats and paid shills like unforgiven, weekend, greg all hate Trump.

The people LOVE Trump.
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Reply #12 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 7:54am
 
The level of delusion by our resident Trumpoids is both amazing and disturbing.  It is clearly obvious that there is no level of proof they would ever accept for an anti-trump accusation. After all, they deny that trump sexually assaulted anyone even after Trump himself confirmed it.

it is entertaining watching them squirm. When Trump is impeached and probably sent to prison, they will deny it even happened.
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Fuzzball wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 9:03am:
These Leftwankers just will not accept the election result.



You mean the election that the Russians interfered in to give Trump victory?
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Reply #14 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 9:55am
 
Trump has several bullet holes in both feet.

Trump's opponents don't need to fight. They can just lie back, laugh, and wait for the certain Trump implosion.
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President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:56pm:
and the main reason that they want Trump out is because he's already making the passed Presidents look like Jackass's and crooks..

which they are...

they have to get Him out ASAP because things are going so well... the stock market is BOOMING and everyone in the US has now got more confidence and hope is back in town...

so far he's smashing it out of the park..

SO LETS BRING THE RUSSIANS BACK....

THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING..

and it was the ******* Clintons who sold Uranium to the Russians...

after they forced them to donate MILLIONS into the Clinton foundation....

fair dinkum....



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Reply #16 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:14pm
 
Richdude wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:54am:
Lets be clear.

The media, establishment, oligarchs, bureaucrats and paid shills like unforgiven, weekend, greg all hate Trump.

The people LOVE Trump.



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Reply #17 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:23pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
Richdude wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:54am:
Lets be clear.

The media, establishment, oligarchs, bureaucrats and paid shills like unforgiven, weekend, greg all hate Trump.

The people LOVE Trump.



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based on what? massive grass-roots anti-trump demonstrations across the nation and historically lowest-ever approval ratings of the president?

ALL the evidence points to him being massive UNpopular.

and the Republicans in congress are slowly coming around to oppose him as well.  Impeachment before year's end is a high possibility.
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Reply #18 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:05pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:23pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
Richdude wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:54am:
Lets be clear.

The media, establishment, oligarchs, bureaucrats and paid shills like unforgiven, weekend, greg all hate Trump.

The people LOVE Trump.



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based on what?
massive grass-roots anti-trump demonstrations across the nation and historically lowest-ever approval ratings of the president?

ALL the evidence points to him being massive UNpopular.

and the Republicans in congress are slowly coming around to oppose him as well.  Impeachment before year's end is a high possibility.


Umm ... common sense!

The findings of a recent public poll discovered that 88% of people think that the MSM is anti - Trump.
So maybe his approval ratings may be a little biased? Like during the last election. Fake news!

Don't you worry Mr Weekend - its all working out very well for Donald. We are very fortunate to have such an intelligent, imaginative and sane leader.

Trump will be the best president since Jackson.

WAGP!

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Reply #19 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:29pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:23pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
Richdude wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:54am:
Lets be clear.

The media, establishment, oligarchs, bureaucrats and paid shills like unforgiven, weekend, greg all hate Trump.

The people LOVE Trump.



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based on what? massive grass-roots anti-trump demonstrations across the nation and historically lowest-ever approval ratings of the president?

ALL the evidence points to him being massive UNpopular.

and the Republicans in congress are slowly coming around to oppose him as well.  Impeachment before year's end is a high possibility.


Face up to reality, his only unpopularity is with leftard sh!t, illegal border crossers, drug mules, criminals in general but Mexicans in particular, queers, and the luvvies in Hollywood. The opinionated cr@p of America. The average American welcomes a new begining under Trump.

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Reply #20 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 2:16pm
 
Richdude wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:23pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
Richdude wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:54am:
Lets be clear.

The media, establishment, oligarchs, bureaucrats and paid shills like unforgiven, weekend, greg all hate Trump.

The people LOVE Trump.



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based on what?
massive grass-roots anti-trump demonstrations across the nation and historically lowest-ever approval ratings of the president?

ALL the evidence points to him being massive UNpopular.

and the Republicans in congress are slowly coming around to oppose him as well.  Impeachment before year's end is a high possibility.


Umm ... common sense!

The findings of a recent public poll discovered that 88% of people think that the MSM is anti - Trump.
So maybe his approval ratings may be a little biased? Like during the last election. Fake news!

Don't you worry Mr Weekend - its all working out very well for Donald. We are very fortunate to have such an intelligent, imaginative and sane leader.

Trump will be the best president since Jackson.

WAGP!




Thats just more of your fake news lies. There is no such credible poll you can find.
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Reply #21 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 2:17pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:29pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:23pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
Richdude wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:54am:
Lets be clear.

The media, establishment, oligarchs, bureaucrats and paid shills like unforgiven, weekend, greg all hate Trump.

The people LOVE Trump.



X 2



based on what? massive grass-roots anti-trump demonstrations across the nation and historically lowest-ever approval ratings of the president?

ALL the evidence points to him being massive UNpopular.

and the Republicans in congress are slowly coming around to oppose him as well.  Impeachment before year's end is a high possibility.


Face up to reality, his only unpopularity is with leftard sh!t, illegal border crossers, drug mules, criminals in general but Mexicans in particular, queers, and the luvvies in Hollywood. The opinionated cr@p of America. The average American welcomes a new begining under Trump.




You might want to wish that, but the massive grassroots protests and the increasingly contrarian congress might be a clue that the real world is not as you imagined it to be.
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Reply #23 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:20pm
 
in light of the wire tapping...

I'll accept everyone apologies who said that the Deep State WaR was BS....
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Reply #24 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 2:29am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
Richdude wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:23pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
Richdude wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:54am:
Lets be clear.

The media, establishment, oligarchs, bureaucrats and paid shills like unforgiven, weekend, greg all hate Trump.

The people LOVE Trump.



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based on what?
massive grass-roots anti-trump demonstrations across the nation and historically lowest-ever approval ratings of the president?

ALL the evidence points to him being massive UNpopular.

and the Republicans in congress are slowly coming around to oppose him as well.  Impeachment before year's end is a high possibility.


Umm ... common sense!

The findings of a recent public poll discovered that 88% of people think that the MSM is anti - Trump.
So maybe his approval ratings may be a little biased? Like during the last election. Fake news!

Don't you worry Mr Weekend - its all working out very well for Donald. We are very fortunate to have such an intelligent, imaginative and sane leader.

Trump will be the best president since Jackson.

WAGP!




Thats just more of your fake news lies. There is no such credible poll you can find.


Agreed!
Exaggerated to be sure - the majority of Americans are
not that sharp.
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Reply #25 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 2:54pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:20pm:
in light of the wire tapping...

I'll accept everyone apologies who said that the Deep State WaR was BS....



In light of the LIE about wiretapping I accept your apology for supporting a pathological liar - Trump.
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Reply #26 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 2:55pm
 
Richdude wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 2:29am:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
Richdude wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:23pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
Richdude wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:54am:
Lets be clear.

The media, establishment, oligarchs, bureaucrats and paid shills like unforgiven, weekend, greg all hate Trump.

The people LOVE Trump.



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based on what?
massive grass-roots anti-trump demonstrations across the nation and historically lowest-ever approval ratings of the president?

ALL the evidence points to him being massive UNpopular.

and the Republicans in congress are slowly coming around to oppose him as well.  Impeachment before year's end is a high possibility.


Umm ... common sense!

The findings of a recent public poll discovered that 88% of people think that the MSM is anti - Trump.
So maybe his approval ratings may be a little biased? Like during the last election. Fake news!

Don't you worry Mr Weekend - its all working out very well for Donald. We are very fortunate to have such an intelligent, imaginative and sane leader.

Trump will be the best president since Jackson.

WAGP!




Thats just more of your fake news lies. There is no such credible poll you can find.


Agreed!
Exaggerated to be sure - the majority of Americans are
not that sharp.


so your opinion is that if they agree with Trump then they are smart and if not, they are dumb?

You might want to revisit that.
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Reply #27 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 6:26pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 2:54pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:20pm:
in light of the wire tapping...

I'll accept everyone apologies who said that the Deep State WaR was BS....



In light of the LIE about wiretapping I accept your apology for supporting a pathological liar - Trump.


fair dinkum.... you are just too stupid to engage..

at least with a computer you only have to punch the information in once...

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Reply #28 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 6:40pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 6:26pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 2:54pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:20pm:
in light of the wire tapping...

I'll accept everyone apologies who said that the Deep State WaR was BS....



In light of the LIE about wiretapping I accept your apology for supporting a pathological liar - Trump.


fair dinkum.... you are just too stupid to engage..

at least with a computer you only have to punch the information in once...




It is a PROVEN lie you dumb turd.  the head of american intelligence DENIED that it happened as did the FBI and pretty much everyone else who could know.  And trump gave ZERO evidence.

He is an idiot and a pathological liar and you damage your own reputation by subscribing to his stupidity.
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Reply #29 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:04pm
 
We have to wonder how long the American people will tolerate Trump's damaging of the presidency. Its barely been 6 weeks and Trump has lowered the esteem of the office into the gutter... Not since Nixon's disgracing of the office has it been as bad.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:04pm:
We have to wonder how long the American people will tolerate Trump's damaging of the presidency. Its barely been 6 weeks and Trump has lowered the esteem of the office into the gutter... Not since Nixon's disgracing of the office has it been as bad.


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Reply #31 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:36pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:27pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:04pm:
We have to wonder how long the American people will tolerate Trump's damaging of the presidency. Its barely been 6 weeks and Trump has lowered the esteem of the office into the gutter... Not since Nixon's disgracing of the office has it been as bad.


you haven't learnt a thing

Just wondering... What 'generation' are you ? Baby-boomer, Gen X, Gen Y?
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will an answer help your fantasy of impeaching trump?
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:48pm:
will an answer help your fantasy of impeaching trump?

Not likely...

I've posted to the General Board...
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Reply #34 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:17am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:04pm:
We have to wonder how long the American people will tolerate Trump's damaging of the presidency. Its barely been 6 weeks and
Trump has lowered the esteem of the office into the gutter
... Not since Nixon's disgracing of the office has it been as bad.


No the press has created that impression. They have vilified, harassed and given him no respect at all even though he is POTUS. Trump has shown great restraint in dealing with these fools.

I'll say this again. What we have going on now is war! An undeclared war between the oligarchs and their minions and the US people. Of course it is never presented that way - never is.

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Reply #35 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:22am
 
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:17am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:04pm:
We have to wonder how long the American people will tolerate Trump's damaging of the presidency. Its barely been 6 weeks and
Trump has lowered the esteem of the office into the gutter
... Not since Nixon's disgracing of the office has it been as bad.


No the press has created that impression. They have vilified, harassed and given him no respect at all even though he is POTUS. Trump has shown great restraint in dealing with these fools.

So a 'Trump' personality is an American example of restraint?

Explains Scientology.
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Reply #36 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:22am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:17am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:04pm:
We have to wonder how long the American people will tolerate Trump's damaging of the presidency. Its barely been 6 weeks and
Trump has lowered the esteem of the office into the gutter
... Not since Nixon's disgracing of the office has it been as bad.


No the press has created that impression. They have vilified, harassed and given him no respect at all even though he is POTUS. Trump has shown great restraint in dealing with these fools.

So a 'Trump' personality is an American example of restraint?

Explains Scientology.


Scientology?

No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

He will derail the gravy train.

WAGP!
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Reply #37 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:47am
 
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:22am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:17am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:04pm:
We have to wonder how long the American people will tolerate Trump's damaging of the presidency. Its barely been 6 weeks and
Trump has lowered the esteem of the office into the gutter
... Not since Nixon's disgracing of the office has it been as bad.


No the press has created that impression. They have vilified, harassed and given him no respect at all even though he is POTUS. Trump has shown great restraint in dealing with these fools.

So a 'Trump' personality is an American example of restraint?

Explains Scientology.


Scientology?

No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

He will derail the gravy train.

WAGP!

After psychiatrists /psychologists, the professionals that Scientologists hate are journalists.

If you knew anything about Trump, you'd know that Trump will derail the gravy train for this reason - he is (a) congenitally self-destructive and (b) he is the gravy train... Just ask Bannon.
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Reply #38 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:52am
 
There's no Deep State in Washington. There's a Deep Bureaucracy with loyalty to country before President. Big constraint on Trump.
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Reply #39 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 5:20am
 
AiA wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:52am:
There's no Deep State in Washington. There's a Deep Bureaucracy with loyalty to country before President. Big constraint on Trump.


sure m8 ..

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Reply #40 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 5:27am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 5:20am:
AiA wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:52am:
There's no Deep State in Washington. There's a Deep Bureaucracy with loyalty to country before President. Big constraint on Trump.


sure m8 ..

you've been incorrect 100% of the time on this forum why start being right now...  Roll Eyes


prove me wrong polesmoker ...
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Reply #41 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:35am
 
AiA wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:52am:
There's no Deep State in Washington. There's a Deep Bureaucracy with loyalty to country before President. Big constraint on Trump.


No deep state!

The administration changes as well as congress but those in the background never do. Their very existence is classified for "National Security" purposes.

You are not well informed AiA!
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Reply #42 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:38am
 
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:35am:
AiA wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:52am:
There's no Deep State in Washington. There's a Deep Bureaucracy with loyalty to country before President. Big constraint on Trump.


No deep state!

The administration changes as well as congress but those in the background never do. Their very existence is classified for "National Security" purposes.

You are not well informed AiA!


another polesmoker who can't read ...
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Reply #43 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 7:07am
 
NoN , you are stuck in the group think of social conditioning.

The media are, by definition, going to have to connect with all the durr state people and they do this by presenting outrage, conspiracy theories, trying to incite the mob to get out the pitchforks.  thats how they connect.

There are probably mayors in american cities who do a fantastic job.  will the media ever mention their names?
No, because the media only deal in scandal and doom and gossip and conspiracy theories. It wouldnt matter if trump did good or bad things, the media are only going to present the gossip, the wild accusations, the scandal...because thats the only thing that will get "fat steve" to engage.

You cant trust them to report anything like the truth.

seemingly intelligent people like yourself and longy are just being sucked into this system and you should ignore it (just like i would ignore media crap about obama being smuggled in from kenya). they are just playing you buddy.

Settle down, see how he;s travelling in 2 years and get back to us then
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Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.
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Reply #45 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:46am
 
Given there are so many people, from all sides of politics (even if they voted for him because they have to vote against the Dems) who take issue and are critical about Trump, rather than just dismissing it as "leftwankers can't accept the result" or some other such insulting coward punch of an attack, is it worth asking why, like really asking why?

It's easy to attack those who don't share the same views as yourself, and boy do Trump supporters looooooove to do that, but what comes with that is a total dismissal and ignoring of what the person they've attacked has to say and why they're saying it.

It's important to keep that in mind.

I take issue with much of what Trump says and does because he's for too long been in a position of power where there were no checks and balances and he could do terrible despicable things without any accountability.  Even in business, when things got tough, he just declared bankruptcy protecting his assets and destroying others livelihoods and even their lives. 

On top of that, he's far to concerned with being a "winner" and the idea of people liking and admiring him.  It's just a shame that he would rather spin his way into such a position with marketing and PR tactics and character assassinations of his rivals than by his actions and you know, earning the admiration.

Any hint to the contrary (that he's not a winner or someone doesn't like him or god forbid are critical of his actions or speech) sends him on the attack, the "thin skinned" nature we're all far too used to by now. 

He had the entire election campaign to prove himself, to rise above all of that yet he only sunk lower and lower.

He's not a good leader, end of story.

Lying was a big issues when he was painting Clinton as "Crooked Hillary".  Private Email Servers, leaking of information, cosying up to "the establishment", all things unacceptable when attacking Clinton.

But these have been his modus operandi since being inaugurated, if not before, so on top of everything else, he's a giant hypocrite to boot.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to be critical of Trump and as supporters of his, you owe it to yourselves to understand these and be informed, rather than dismiss them as if you're rooting for your favourite sporting team.

Blind devotion is much worse than blind hate.  Neither are good, but you really can't complain about one when you're guilty of the other.

But what would I know, I'm just a shill spreading fake news apparently.
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Reply #46 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.

Now I think Trump supporters believe it's bad press, but I want to see more evidence that "enemies of the American people" such as CNN, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the LA Times, BBC, etc, are somehow attacking Trump or presenting biased information.

Let's discuss a "bad press" feature article by American "enemy", the Washington Post. It's one of the most negative I can find. I can see how it's most unfavourable to Donald Trump, but I can't see anything biased, skewed or untrue in this article. A number of Trump biographies contain eyewitness accounts of Trump doing exactly what's claimed below. These aren't lies, they're facts about a US president. Surely this is exactly what the press should be reporting on. Like most "negative" stories on Trump, the evidence comes from Trump's own words.

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Donald Trump masqueraded as publicist to brag about himself

By Marc Fisher and Will Hobson  May 13, 2016

The voice is instantly familiar; the tone, confident, even cocky; the cadence, distinctly Trumpian. The man on the phone vigorously defending Donald Trump says he’s a media spokesman named John Miller, but then he says, “I’m sort of new here,” and “I’m somebody that he knows and I think somebody that he trusts and likes” and even “I’m going to do this a little, part time, and then, yeah, go on with my life.”

A recording obtained by The Washington Post captures what New York reporters and editors who covered Trump’s early career experienced in the 1970s, ’80s and ’90s: calls from Trump’s Manhattan office that resulted in conversations with “John Miller” or “John Barron” — public-relations men who sound precisely like Trump himself — who indeed are Trump, masquerading as an unusually helpful and boastful advocate for himself, according to the journalists and several of Trump’s top aides.

In 1991, Sue Carswell, a reporter at People magazine, called Trump’s office seeking an interview with the developer. She had just been assigned to cover the soap opera surrounding the end of Trump’s 12-year marriage to Ivana, his budding relationship with the model Marla Maples and his rumored affairs with any number of celebrities who regularly appeared on the gossip pages of the New York newspapers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-alter-ego-barron/2016/05/12...
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Within five minutes, Carswell got a return call from Trump’s publicist, a man named John Miller, who immediately jumped into a startlingly frank and detailed explanation of why Trump dumped Maples for the Italian model Carla Bruni. “He really didn’t want to make a commitment,” Miller said. “He’s coming out of a marriage, and he’s starting to do tremendously well financially.”

Miller turned out to be a remarkably forthcoming source — a spokesman with rare insight into the private thoughts and feelings of his client. “Have you met him?” Miller asked the reporter. “He’s a good guy, and he’s not going to hurt anybody. . . . He treated his wife well and . . . he will treat Marla well.”

Some reporters found the calls from Miller or Barron disturbing or even creepy; others thought they were just examples of Trump being playful. Today, as the presumptive Republican nominee for president faces questions about his attitudes toward women, what stands out to some who received those calls is Trump’s characterization of women whom he portrayed as drawn to him sexually.

“Actresses,” Miller said in the call to Carswell, “just call to see if they can go out with him and things.” Madonna “wanted to go out with him.” And Trump’s alter ego boasted that in addition to living with Maples, Trump had “three other girlfriends.”

Miller was consistent about referring to Trump as “he,” but at one point, when asked how important Bruni was in Trump’s busy love life, the spokesman said, “I think it’s somebody that — you know, she’s beautiful. I saw her once, quickly, and beautiful . . . ” and then he quickly pivoted back into talking about Trump — then a 44-year-old father of three — in the third person.

In 1990, Trump testified in a court case that “I believe on occasion I used that name.”

In a phone call to NBC’s “Today” program Friday morning after this article appeared online, Trump denied that he was John Miller. “No, I don’t think it — I don’t know anything about it. You’re telling me about it for the first time and it doesn’t sound like my voice at all,” he said. “I have many, many people that are trying to imitate my voice and then you can imagine that, and this sounds like one of the scams, one of the many scams — doesn’t sound like me.” Later, he was more definitive: “It was not me on the phone. And it doesn’t sound like me on the phone, I will tell you that, and it was not me on the phone. And when was this? Twenty-five years ago?”

Then, Friday afternoon, Washington Post reporters who were 44 minutes into a phone interview with Trump about his finances asked him a question about Miller: “Did you ever employ someone named John Miller as a spokesperson?”

The phone went silent, then dead. When the reporters called back and reached Trump’s secretary, she said, “I heard you got disconnected. He can’t take the call now. I don’t know what happened.”

Trump has never been terribly adamant about denying that he often made calls to reporters posing as someone else. From his earliest years in business, he occasionally called reporters using the name “John Barron.”

A “John Baron,” described as a “vice-president of the Trump organization,” appeared in a front-page New York Times article as early as 1980, defending Trump’s decision to destroy sculptures on the facade of the Bonwit Teller department store building, the Fifth Avenue landmark he was demolishing to make way for his Trump Tower. Barron was quoted variously as a “Trump spokesman,” “Trump executive” or “Trump representative” in New York magazine, The Washington Post and other publications.

Trump’s fascination with the name “Barron” persisted for decades. When he was seeing Maples while still married to Ivana, he sometimes used the code name “the Baron” when he left messages for her. In 2004, when Trump commissioned a dramatic TV series based on the life of a New York real estate mogul like him, his only request to the writer was to name the main character “Barron.” And when Trump and his third wife, Melania, had a son, they named him Barron.

In the 1991 recording, Miller sounded quite at ease regaling the reporter with tales of Trump hanging out with Madonna at a ball at the Plaza Hotel, which he owned at the time. Asked about the rumored Madonna-Trump friendship, Miller, unlike every other PR man on the planet, neither batted the question away nor gave it short shrift. Rather, he said, “Do you have a second?”

Carswell, the reporter, sounded a bit startled: “Yeah, obviously,” she replied.

Whereupon Miller offered a detailed account of the Trump encounter with Madonna, who “came in a beautiful evening gown and combat boots.” The PR man assured the reporter that nothing untoward occurred: “He’s got zero interest that night.”

Miller also revealed to Carswell why Trump seemed to relish any and all media coverage, even the most critical. “I can tell you that he didn’t care if he got bad PR until he got his divorce finished,” Miller said. The more the press wrote about Trump’s money troubles, the greater advantage he would have in negotiations toward a financial settlement with his then-estranged wife, Ivana. Then, “once his divorce is finished,” Miller said, you would see stories about how Trump was “doing well financially and he’s doing well in every other way.”
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Carswell this week recalled that she immediately recognized something familiar in the Queens accent of Trump’s new publicist. She thought, “It’s so weird that Donald hired someone who sounds just like him.” After the 20-minute interview, she walked down the hall to play the tape to co-workers, who identified Trump’s voice. Carswell then called Cindy Adams, the longtime New York Post gossip columnist who had been close to Trump since the early 1970s. Adams immediately identified the voice as Trump’s.

“Oh, that’s Donald,” Carswell recalled Adams saying. “What is he doing?”

Then Carswell played the tape for Maples, who confirmed it was Trump and burst into tears as she heard Miller deny that a ring Trump gave her implied any intent to marry her.

Carswell, now a reporter-researcher at Vanity Fair, said the tape cuts off mid-interview, leaving out the part in which Miller said that actress Kim Basinger had been trying to date Trump. Hearing the tape for the first time in decades, Carswell said, “This was so farcical, that he pretended to be his own publicist. Here was this so-called billion-dollar real estate mogul, and he can’t hire his own publicist. It also said something about the control he wanted to keep of the news cycle flowing with this story, and I can’t believe he thought he’d get away with it.”

The Post obtained the recording from a source who provided it on the condition of anonymity. Carswell shared the microcassette of the call with the source shortly after the interview.

From the start of his career as a builder in New York, Trump worked the press. He believed in carrots and sticks, showering reporters with praise, then pivoting to a threat to sue them if they wrote something he considered inaccurate. He often said that all publicity, good or bad, was good for his business.

He made himself available to reporters at nearly any time, for hours on end. And he called them, too, to promote his own projects, but also with juicy bits of gossip.

“One thing I’ve learned about the press is that they’re always hungry for a good story, and the more sensational the better,” Trump wrote in “The Art of the Deal,” his bestseller. “The point is that if you are a little different, or a little outrageous, or if you do things that are bold or controversial, the press is going to write about you.”

Trump did not describe using false identities to promote his brand, but he did write about why he strays from the strict truth: “I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration — and a very effective form of promotion.”

Carswell was far from the only reporter who received calls from suspiciously Trumpian characters. Linda Stasi, then a New York Daily News gossip columnist, said Trump once left her a voice mail from an “anonymous tipster” who wanted it known that Trump had been spotted going out with models. And editors at New York tabloids said calls from Barron were at points so common that they became a recurring joke on the city desk.

After Carswell’s story appeared — headlined “Trump Says Goodbye Marla, Hello Carla . . . And a Mysterious PR Man Who Sounds Just Like Donald Calls to Spread the Story” — Trump invited the reporter out for a night on the town with him and Maples. Carswell said Maples persuaded Trump to issue the invitation as an apology for tricking her. A few weeks later, when People ran a story about Trump and Maples getting engaged, Trump was quoted saying that the John Miller call was a “joke gone awry.”

Carswell had been skeptical all along. On the recording, she challenged Miller: “Where did you come from?”

“I basically worked for different firms,” he replied cryptically. And then he marveled at his boss’s ability to withstand critical news coverage: “I’ve never seen somebody so immune to . . . bad press.”

Miller was also impressed by his client’s social life: “I mean, he’s living with Marla and he’s got three other girlfriends. ” But the PR man wanted the reporter to know that Trump believed in “the marriage concept” and planned to settle down, on his own terms: “He does things for himself. When he makes a decision, that will be a very lucky woman.”


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Reply #49 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am
 
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.
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Reply #50 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.


EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.


Well yes, but did he declare a "war on the media"? Did he declare them "enemies of the American people?" Did he accuse them of telling porkies? Did he refuse them entry to White House press briefings?

That would be the sensible thing to do, shurely.

But I'm curious. Can you see evidence of any bias or fake news in the article I've quoted above?

Can you understand why anyone might consider it to be an unreasonable attack on a presidential candidate?
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SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:46am:
Given there are so many people, from all sides of politics (even if they voted for him because they have to vote against the Dems) who take issue and are critical about Trump, rather than just dismissing it as "leftwankers can't accept the result" or some other such insulting coward punch of an attack, is it worth asking why, like really asking why?

It's easy to attack those who don't share the same views as yourself, and boy do Trump supporters looooooove to do that, but what comes with that is a total dismissal and ignoring of what the person they've attacked has to say and why they're saying it.

It's important to keep that in mind.

I take issue with much of what Trump says and does because he's for too long been in a position of power where there were no checks and balances and he could do terrible despicable things without any accountability.  Even in business, when things got tough, he just declared bankruptcy protecting his assets and destroying others livelihoods and even their lives. 

On top of that, he's far to concerned with being a "winner" and the idea of people liking and admiring him.  It's just a shame that he would rather spin his way into such a position with marketing and PR tactics and character assassinations of his rivals than by his actions and you know, earning the admiration.

Any hint to the contrary (that he's not a winner or someone doesn't like him or god forbid are critical of his actions or speech) sends him on the attack, the "thin skinned" nature we're all far too used to by now. 

He had the entire election campaign to prove himself, to rise above all of that yet he only sunk lower and lower.

He's not a good leader, end of story.

Lying was a big issues when he was painting Clinton as "Crooked Hillary".  Private Email Servers, leaking of information, cosying up to "the establishment", all things unacceptable when attacking Clinton.

But these have been his modus operandi since being inaugurated, if not before, so on top of everything else, he's a giant hypocrite to boot.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to be critical of Trump and as supporters of his, you owe it to yourselves to understand these and be informed, rather than dismiss them as if you're rooting for your favourite sporting team.

Blind devotion is much worse than blind hate.  Neither are good, but you really can't complain about one when you're guilty of the other.

But what would I know, I'm just a shill spreading fake news apparently.


you still don't get it. think about why people support protectionist measures for industry. think about why people want a wall on the border. think about why people want the interventions in the middle east to stop. think about why ordinary working people are tired of being lectured to by people who don't share their interests, such as celebrities, soros, academics and about 90% of journalists. 99% of criticisms of trump never hit on any of these issues. they always dance around them.
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Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.


Well yes, but did he declare a "war on the media"? Did he declare them "enemies of the American people?" Did he accuse them of telling porkies? Did he refuse them entry to White House press briefings?

That would be the sensible thing to do, shurely.

But I'm curious. Can you see evidence of any bias or fake news in the article I've quoted above?

Can you understand why anyone might consider it to be an unreasonable attack on a presidential candidate?


the media is having a hissy fit because someone isn't taking their crap anymore.
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Reply #54 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:35pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:30pm:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.


Well yes, but did he declare a "war on the media"? Did he declare them "enemies of the American people?" Did he accuse them of telling porkies? Did he refuse them entry to White House press briefings?

That would be the sensible thing to do, shurely.

But I'm curious. Can you see evidence of any bias or fake news in the article I've quoted above?

Can you understand why anyone might consider it to be an unreasonable attack on a presidential candidate?


the media is having a hissy fit because someone isn't taking their crap anymore.


Thanks, Mistie. Can you show where the media is having a hissy fit? I've included one of the enemy's articles as a case in point, but feel free to provide your own example.

You might want to highlight any lies, bias, or offensive or provocative language you come across.
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Reply #55 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:41pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.


Well yes, but did he declare a "war on the media"? Did he declare them "enemies of the American people?" Did he accuse them of telling porkies? Did he refuse them entry to White House press briefings?

That would be the sensible thing to do, shurely.

But I'm curious. Can you see evidence of any bias or fake news in the article I've quoted above?

Can you understand why anyone might consider it to be an unreasonable attack on a presidential candidate?


Nah, he just had them killed:

Quote:
“As of October 2014 the CIA was also looking at infecting the vehicle control systems used by modern cars and trucks. The purpose of such control is not specified, but it would permit the CIA to engage in nearly undetectable assassinations,” writes Wikileaks.

After the death of journalist Michael Hastings in 2013, who contacted Wikileaks just hours before his death to inform them that he was under FBI investigation, speculation swirled as to whether his apparent high speed car crash in the Hancock Park neighborhood of Los Angeles was actually a targeted assassination.

Hastings sent an email hours before his death stating he was “onto a big story” and needed “to go off the rada[r] for a bit.” It later emerged that the story was likely to have been an exposé of the CIA.

Friends and colleagues confirmed that the journalist was “very paranoid” about being under government surveillance and had received death threats. A separate close friend of Hastings also told Infowars that the journalist’s home was visited by agents from an unnamed federal agency the day before his death.

Former counter-terror czar Richard Clarke subsequently went on record to remark that the crash involving Hastings was “consistent with a car cyber attack.”

The fact that the CIA was exploring car hacking techniques in October 2014 obviously suggests that the technology has been an area of interest for the agency.


You might also recall a few months back an assassination attempt on Putin, where a car travelling on the other side of the road plowed into his usual car...only Putin wasn't in it.  Very fishy in light of the latest revelations.


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Reply #56 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:44pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:35pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:30pm:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.


Well yes, but did he declare a "war on the media"? Did he declare them "enemies of the American people?" Did he accuse them of telling porkies? Did he refuse them entry to White House press briefings?

That would be the sensible thing to do, shurely.

But I'm curious. Can you see evidence of any bias or fake news in the article I've quoted above?

Can you understand why anyone might consider it to be an unreasonable attack on a presidential candidate?


the media is having a hissy fit because someone isn't taking their crap anymore.


Thanks, Mistie. Can you show where the media is having a hissy fit? I've included one of the enemy's articles as a case in point, but feel free to provide your own example.

You might want to highlight any lies, bias, or offensive or provocative language you come across.


there was about 5 million articles comparing him to hitler. go fetch 'em yourself.
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Reply #57 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:46pm
 
I can't find any, Mistie. Do you want to use my article?

What do you think of it, by the way?
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... wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:41pm:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.


Well yes, but did he declare a "war on the media"? Did he declare them "enemies of the American people?" Did he accuse them of telling porkies? Did he refuse them entry to White House press briefings?

That would be the sensible thing to do, shurely.

But I'm curious. Can you see evidence of any bias or fake news in the article I've quoted above?

Can you understand why anyone might consider it to be an unreasonable attack on a presidential candidate?


Nah, he just had them killed:

Quote:
“As of October 2014 the CIA was also looking at infecting the vehicle control systems used by modern cars and trucks. The purpose of such control is not specified, but it would permit the CIA to engage in nearly undetectable assassinations,” writes Wikileaks.

After the death of journalist Michael Hastings in 2013, who contacted Wikileaks just hours before his death to inform them that he was under FBI investigation, speculation swirled as to whether his apparent high speed car crash in the Hancock Park neighborhood of Los Angeles was actually a targeted assassination.

Hastings sent an email hours before his death stating he was “onto a big story” and needed “to go off the rada[r] for a bit.” It later emerged that the story was likely to have been an exposé of the CIA.

Friends and colleagues confirmed that the journalist was “very paranoid” about being under government surveillance and had received death threats. A separate close friend of Hastings also told Infowars that the journalist’s home was visited by agents from an unnamed federal agency the day before his death.

Former counter-terror czar Richard Clarke subsequently went on record to remark that the crash involving Hastings was “consistent with a car cyber attack.”

The fact that the CIA was exploring car hacking techniques in October 2014 obviously suggests that the technology has been an area of interest for the agency.


You might also recall a few months back an assassination attempt on Putin, where a car travelling on the other side of the road plowed into his usual car...only Putin wasn't in it.  Very fishy in light of the latest revelations.




Thanks, Honky. Can I just confirm - are you saying Obama ordered the assassination of journalists?

Please explain.
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EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...

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Reply #60 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:55pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...



No one really cares what you 2 retards think anymore. You are both irrelevant.

Trump is on his way to being the greatest President ever - hopefully for 8 years.

  What crap is having a footnote "Conviction is the art of being certain". What total BS! LOL!
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Trump is on his way to being the greatest President ever - hopefully for 8 years.





Given how little he's accomplishged so far, he's well on his way equals me kangaroo hopping a Volkswagen at the start of a 1000 km journey.,
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Reply #62 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:10pm
 
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...



No one really cares what you 2 retards think anymore. You are both irrelevant.

Trump is on his way to being the greatest President ever - hopefully for 8 years.

  What crap is having a footnote "Conviction is the art of being certain". What total BS! LOL!

Did I touch a raw nerve, then?

'the greatest president ever'?? What? Are you 12?
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Reply #63 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...




ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music,  buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid  Wink
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Reply #64 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:23pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...




ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music,  buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid  Wink

I see all those self-help books haven't helped you comprehend what you read, then!

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Reply #65 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:24pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...




ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music,  buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid  Wink



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Reply #66 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:31pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:23pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...




ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music,  buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid  Wink

I see all those self-help books haven't helped you comprehend what you read, then!



i'm not saying i agree with it. 
i'm not saying you should do it.
i'm just saying that america is pretty smart at understanding the durp state most people are in .
they arent stupid.
trump is pretty smart at understanding the durp state most people are in.
he isnt stupid.

There are 2 important aspects of climbing the narrow road to success and both are to do with the person you "become".

route one is to be a killer executor who takes massive action. do that and you will get enough "reference experiences ' to understand "reality".

route two is to attempt to become spiritually enlightened.
the trouble with a lot of people who go this route is that they are just as attached to their ego (i am a spiritually enlightened person , look at me) as some rich prick flaunting his ferrari ( i am rich and successful, look at me).

at the core, the morally superior intellectula who is attached to that is no different to the rich businessman who is attached to his toys. its the same sh*t.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:24pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...




ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music,  buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid  Wink



I buy samsung.



well the prime minister of south korea may be facing serious jail time over accepting millions in bribes from samsung, so i think Trump and american tech  may be more ethical
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Reply #68 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:43pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:24pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...




ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music,  buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid  Wink



I buy samsung.



well the prime minister of south korea may be facing serious jail time over accepting millions in bribes from samsung, so i think Trump and american tech  may be more ethical




A bit like Hitler being more evil than Stalin I guess.
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aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
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longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...




ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music,  buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid  Wink



I buy samsung.



well the prime minister of south korea may be facing serious jail time over accepting millions in bribes from samsung, so i think Trump and american tech  may be more ethical


I think you mean Irish or Cayman Islands tech, Aquascoot.
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Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...



No one really cares what you 2 retards think anymore. You are both irrelevant.

Trump is on his way to being the greatest President ever - hopefully for 8 years.

  What crap is having a footnote "Conviction is the art of being certain". What total BS! LOL!



ironic much...  Trump is certainly headed for conviction. CRIMINAL conviction.
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aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:31pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:23pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...




ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music,  buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid  Wink

I see all those self-help books haven't helped you comprehend what you read, then!



i'm not saying i agree with it. 
i'm not saying you should do it.
i'm just saying that america is pretty smart at understanding the durp state most people are in .
they arent stupid.
trump is pretty smart at understanding the durp state most people are in.
he isnt stupid.

There are 2 important aspects of climbing the narrow road to success and both are to do with the person you "become".

route one is to be a killer executor who takes massive action. do that and you will get enough "reference experiences ' to understand "reality".

route two is to attempt to become spiritually enlightened.
the trouble with a lot of people who go this route is that they are just as attached to their ego (i am a spiritually enlightened person , look at me) as some rich prick flaunting his ferrari ( i am rich and successful, look at me).

at the core, the morally superior intellectula who is attached to that is no different to the rich businessman who is attached to his toys. its the same sh*t.



you write utter drivel, much of it is insane.
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Reply #72 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:01pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:31pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:23pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...




ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music,  buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid  Wink

I see all those self-help books haven't helped you comprehend what you read, then!



i'm not saying i agree with it. 
i'm not saying you should do it.
i'm just saying that america is pretty smart at understanding the durp state most people are in .
they arent stupid.

What I'm saying is that many Americans are gullible for a certain personality type... The loud, charismat who can spin a wild hyperbolic and bullshit yarn, even if he's deeply flawed (sometimes especially if he's flawed... It touches their Puritanical religious heart strings). These characters seem to act on their psyche like a Siren to Greek sailors, they just can't help but be drawn to it even to their destruction...

American culture rewards that kind of personality.Such as Joseph Smith (Mormonism), L Ron Hubbard (Scientology), Donald Trump, Jim Jones (Jonestown), David Koresh (Branch Davidians) among a myriad of others...
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Reply #73 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:05pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...




ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music,  buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid  Wink



Yes and historically, the greater America has been, the better the world has been.
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Reply #74 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:27pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...



Actually, he got his lawyers to send a cunning letter to Bill Maher. It provided a copy of Trump's birth certificate to prove that Trump is not the son of an orangutan, and demanded that Bill Maher provide evidence to the contrary or be sued for untold billions for lying about Mr Trump's status as a human and costing him billions - if not trillions - in lost contracts.

Bill's still waiting for the subpoena.
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Reply #75 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:28pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...




ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music,  buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid  Wink



Yes and historically, the greater America has been, the better the world has been.


That's true, Sprint. Just look at Iraq.
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Reply #76 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:46pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...




ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music,  buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid  Wink



Yes and historically, the greater America has been, the better the world has been.



which is why the rest of the world is freaking out over the absolute CLOWN they put in charge of the joint.
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Reply #77 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:58pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...




ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music,  buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid  Wink



Yes and historically, the greater America has been, the better the world has been.



which is why the rest of the world is freaking out over the absolute CLOWN they put in charge of the joint.



no longy, YOU and people like YOU are freaking out because you like the comfort zone, the familiar, the pleasuring of yourself that you can get in a durrrr state.

America has had periods that were way more chaotic.
the great depression
pearl harbour and WW2
the cuban missile crisis
assasination of JFK
the vietnam war
twin towers

you have to go thru chaos to move forward
systems re arrange themselves and make themselves better during periods of chaos

if trump upsets the status quo, this is a good thing

some light reading for you
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Reply #78 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 4:01pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...




ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music,  buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid  Wink



Yes and historically, the greater America has been, the better the world has been.



which is why the rest of the world is freaking out over the absolute CLOWN they put in charge of the joint.

Replete, even, with orange face makeup... As time goes by I'm guessing he'll add the red lipstick, then the white paint around the eyes,the blue tufts of hair and finally the big red nose that honks when a midget pulls it.
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Reply #79 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 4:02pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...




ah, that would be the reason that every nation on earth copies their culture, watches their movies, adores their celebrities, eats their fast food ,copies their theme parks, flock to see their rockstars, copies their music,  buys their software, buys their smartphones, communicates on their social media....because americans are just so stupid  Wink



Yes and historically, the greater America has been, the better the world has been.



which is why the rest of the world is freaking out over the absolute CLOWN they put in charge of the joint.



no longy, YOU and people like YOU are freaking out because you like the comfort zone, the familiar, the pleasuring of yourself that you can get in a durrrr state.

America has had periods that were way more chaotic.
the great depression
pearl harbour and WW2
the cuban missile crisis
assasination of JFK
the vietnam war
twin towers

you have to go thru chaos to move forward
systems re arrange themselves and make themselves better during periods of chaos

if trump upsets the status quo, this is a good thing

some light reading for you



during each of those periods, America had a competent president and leadership. Now, they have the muppets with virtually no idea what to do. Everything they touch is a disaster. The state Department has virtually no staff. Most of the 630 appointments have not been made so the WH is running under-staffed and incompetently. And Trump is showing multiple signs of being mentally ill or just plain UNHINGED.

This is the biggest crisis for USA since the civil war. USA needs the 25th amendment, impeachment or a bullet.  Anything less could be literally disastrous.
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aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
if trump upsets the status quo, this is a good thing


Really?

The status quo is that we don't accept women being sexually assaulted.

You're happy with Trump changing that, are you?

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Reply #81 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 4:18pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 4:02pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
if trump upsets the status quo, this is a good thing


Really?

The status quo is that we don't accept women being sexually assaulted.

You're happy with Trump changing that, are you?



he might change his mind if trump assaulted horses.
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Reply #82 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:10pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 4:02pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
if trump upsets the status quo, this is a good thing


Really?

The status quo is that we don't accept women being sexually assaulted.

You're happy with Trump changing that, are you?



That's just PC nonsense. As Mr Trump says, if you're a star, you can do anything. Give them a kiss, grab them by the pussy, whatever you like.

And he's the president. I'd say he's changed the status quo already, wouldn't you?

It's just a pity that, apart from sexual assault, he hasn't changed much else.

Still, the "progressives" won't be happy, so it's all good.
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Reply #83 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:22pm
 
I wonder how the 40 million people on the unemployment queues felt about Donald Trump being elected, call me optimistic but I would say they felt pretty damned good..because someone has finally  turned up who actually gives a dam about them


Oh and the 30% of Americans NOT covered by Obama Care most probably feel pretty chuffed too  Cool
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Reply #84 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:32pm
 
red baron wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
I wonder how the 40 million people on the unemployment queues felt about Donald Trump being elected, call me optimistic but I would say they felt pretty damned good..because someone has finally  turned up who actually gives a dam about them


Oh and the 30% of Americans NOT covered by Obama Care most probably feel pretty chuffed too  Cool


Did you say 30%, Red? Would you like to clarify that?

But I'm curious. How many Americans had health insurance before Obamacare?

We can get to the unemployment rate before and after Obama too if you'd like, but I'd appreciate an answer to these two questions first, if you don't mind.
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Reply #85 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 7:34pm
 
red baron wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
I wonder how the 40 million people on the unemployment queues felt about Donald Trump being elected, call me optimistic but I would say they felt pretty damned good..because someone has finally  turned up who actually gives a dam about them


Oh and the 30% of Americans NOT covered by Obama Care most probably feel pretty chuffed too  Cool


40 million huh? That is just more fake new that you are too stupid to reject. the unemployment rate is under 5%.  and under Trump 50% of americans wont get health coverage.

Why are you so gullible?
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The expansion and threat of an upcoming and inevitable of war now coupled with repression and mass surveillance has now been handed over to the administration of Donald Trump, a government of capitalist and corrupted to the core billionaires, generals and outright fascists that is determined to bring war to the globe meanwhile carrying out unprecedented attacks on the working class in America.

The useless, outdated and out of touch Democratic Party is calling for a special prosecutor over (their) alleged Russian “meddling” in the US election. This insane demand is only aimed at sustaining the US war drive against Russia and diverting the mass opposition to Trump into reactionary channels - and that may work for a while. Problem is while Trump is calling for a probe of [his] alleged bugging of personal communications, neither side has zero interest calling for a proper investigation of the CIA spying operation.
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In this bourgeoisie capitalist police state both Democrats and Republicans are too busy blowing each other that such police-state measures are required to defend America's decaying and rotting capitalist system against the threat of any social revolution by the working class.
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:28pm:
you still don't get it. think about why people support protectionist measures for industry. think about why people want a wall on the border. think about why people want the interventions in the middle east to stop. think about why ordinary working people are tired of being lectured to by people who don't share their interests, such as celebrities, soros, academics and about 90% of journalists. 99% of criticisms of trump never hit on any of these issues. they always dance around them.


That might be true, but Trump's own record shows he's no better.  Sure, he's only ruined lives in the private sector not politics (at least up until his inauguration) so you can't link to specific instances of his wrong doing, or at least selfish exploitative behaviour in politics, but look at who he is surrounding himself with.

He's no better than the establishment his apologists like to paint, only less competent and less capable.

And for all your hate on celebrities, they've turned to him in a big way because he is a celebrity.

His business dealing may have worked out well for him, his family and the higher ups in the executive levels, but not many others. 

Again, I want to be wrong, but it looks like his politics will be the same, not that good for the people on the ground, but great for him, his family and his inner circle.

The only real "evidence" we have to go on that would suggest that he will be different, is his word.  We know what that's worth.

But just in case you didn't, sweet bugger all.

Look at how his ObamaCare replacement is shaping up...  That was meant to be one of his more easy fixes, again, if you believed him.

The short version is that many people see in Trump what they want, all under the banner of "make america great again".  I don't know why they've chosen Trump given the irrefutable facts about his past and when that sort of dishonest and exploitative nature continues, they double down and defend him when much less was utterly unacceptable under his opponents.

You can go on about how all these other type of people are out of touch etc, but it like you've dismissed everyone else in the room, got to Trump and though "well, there is nobody else here, no point in running a background check on him".

He's almost getting the support of the people, by default.

He hasn't earned it and he doesn't stand for what people use to justify their support of him. 

He wants cheap labour, he wants to exploit undocumented or imported workers, he wants more tax cuts and better treatment for the rich, he wants to keep the loopholes in place that he and his trust/corporate setups use to not pay any tax in the first place, he was a believer in universal health care like Obamacare and a woman's right to choose, hell he even said the state should stay out of the bathroom debate and let people use which ever one they want.

But he's back tracked on all of that or is simply telling the people what he thinks they need to hear to win their trust.

Sure his opponents aren't perfect, but unless people are willing to apply the same logic and standards to their support of Trump as they do to their hatred of his opponents, he'll be nothing more than the winner by default, undeserving of their support and he'll turn on them and exploit them as soon as he gets the chance, again for his own personal gain.

The fact that many like you can't see this, or choose to look the other way is very scary.
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Reply #88 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:23am
 
Marla wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:01am:
Problem is while Trump is calling for a probe of [his] alleged bugging of personal communications, neither side has zero interest calling for a proper investigation of the CIA spying operation.

Some time ago, I read a characterisation of the CIA as the US president's personal secret army that no commander-in-chief has been able to resist using, no matter how pure his intentions at the start of his administration.

Apparently a Democrat president is more likely to hold out against the lure of this covert raw power than a Republican one... But, in the end, they all can't resist it.
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aquascoot wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
if trump upsets the status quo, this is a good thing


It's one thing to upset the status quo, AND THEN?

You want someone like him rewriting the books going forward?

This is what people are worried about.  He's a wolf in an ill-fitting orange human suit.

He's already made moves that would suit him and those like him over the "forgotten people" you really think he can be trusted to rebuild the system after he's destroyed it, something he and especially Bannon seem determined to do!?
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Reply #90 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:34am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:23am:
Some time ago, I read a characterisation of the CIA as the US president's personal secret army that no commander-in-chief has been able to resist using, no matter how pure his intentions at the start of his administration.

Apparently a Democrat president is more likely to hold out against the lure of this covert raw power than a Republican one... But, in the end, they all can't resist it.


The C.I.A. has apparently stockpiled what they deem as  "weaponized Zero-Day” threats which can be instantaneously be used to exploit any unidentified vulnerabilities in a wide range of devices before their manufacturer is able to detect the flaw and correct it. This was big in the Obama administration where they had supposedly established a “Vulnerabilities Equities Process,” under which the C.I.A. would inform manufacturers of most software vulnerabilities while keeping some to itself for exploitation.
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SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:18am:
That might be true, but Trump's own record shows he's no better.  Sure, he's only ruined lives in the private sector not politics (at least up until his inauguration) so you can't link to specific instances of his wrong doing, or at least selfish exploitative behaviour in politics, but look at who he is surrounding himself with.

He's no better than the establishment his apologists like to paint, only less competent and less capable.

And for all your hate on celebrities, they've turned to him in a big way because he is a celebrity.

His business dealing may have worked out well for him, his family and the higher ups in the executive levels, but not many others. 

Again, I want to be wrong, but it looks like his politics will be the same, not that good for the people on the ground, but great for him, his family and his inner circle.

The only real "evidence" we have to go on that would suggest that he will be different, is his word.  We know what that's worth.

But just in case you didn't, sweet bugger all.

Look at how his ObamaCare replacement is shaping up...  That was meant to be one of his more easy fixes, again, if you believed him.

The short version is that many people see in Trump what they want, all under the banner of "make america great again".  I don't know why they've chosen Trump given the irrefutable facts about his past and when that sort of dishonest and exploitative nature continues, they double down and defend him when much less was utterly unacceptable under his opponents.

You can go on about how all these other type of people are out of touch etc, but it like you've dismissed everyone else in the room, got to Trump and though "well, there is nobody else here, no point in running a background check on him".

He's almost getting the support of the people, by default.

He hasn't earned it and he doesn't stand for what people use to justify their support of him. 

He wants cheap labour, he wants to exploit undocumented or imported workers, he wants more tax cuts and better treatment for the rich, he wants to keep the loopholes in place that he and his trust/corporate setups use to not pay any tax in the first place, he was a believer in universal health care like Obamacare and a woman's right to choose, hell he even said the state should stay out of the bathroom debate and let people use which ever one they want.

But he's back tracked on all of that or is simply telling the people what he thinks they need to hear to win their trust.

Sure his opponents aren't perfect, but unless people are willing to apply the same logic and standards to their support of Trump as they do to their hatred of his opponents, he'll be nothing more than the winner by default, undeserving of their support and he'll turn on them and exploit them as soon as he gets the chance, again for his own personal gain.

The fact that many like you can't see this, or choose to look the other way is very scary.

Great post!

The habit of leaders' reversing their position once in power is, of course, age old...

The most historically dramatic was Napoleon, who began his political career as the great liberator and destroyer of the hereditary arrogation of power - a 'draining of the swamp' if you like - (promising liberty, equality and brotherhood), but then crowned himself emperor, married a Hapsburg Princess and elevated his family to aristocracy throughout the French conquered territories of Europe.

But, at least he was philosophical about his chances of controlling his own destiny, with his metaphorical acknowledgement of the role the 'goddess of fortune' would play in his fate, lamenting that when the goddess was done with him, he would be swept aside by her and extracted from history...

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How long before we get 'Deep State' - the movie?

It's a perfect (but soon to be hackneyed) title for a conspiracy theory plot...
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:34am:
How long before we get 'Deep State' - the movie?

It's a perfect (but soon to be hackneyed) title for a conspiracy theory plot...



Its a fabulous idea for a movie. Tom Cruise or Matt Damon.... the trouble is that no matter how ridiculous it was, Trumpoids would call it a documentary.
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SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:18am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:28pm:
you still don't get it. think about why people support protectionist measures for industry. think about why people want a wall on the border. think about why people want the interventions in the middle east to stop. think about why ordinary working people are tired of being lectured to by people who don't share their interests, such as celebrities, soros, academics and about 90% of journalists. 99% of criticisms of trump never hit on any of these issues. they always dance around them.


That might be true, but Trump's own record shows he's no better.  Sure, he's only ruined lives in the private sector not politics (at least up until his inauguration) so you can't link to specific instances of his wrong doing, or at least selfish exploitative behaviour in politics, but look at who he is surrounding himself with.

He's no better than the establishment his apologists like to paint, only less competent and less capable.

And for all your hate on celebrities, they've turned to him in a big way because he is a celebrity.

His business dealing may have worked out well for him, his family and the higher ups in the executive levels, but not many others. 

Again, I want to be wrong, but it looks like his politics will be the same, not that good for the people on the ground, but great for him, his family and his inner circle.

The only real "evidence" we have to go on that would suggest that he will be different, is his word.  We know what that's worth.

But just in case you didn't, sweet bugger all.

Look at how his ObamaCare replacement is shaping up...  That was meant to be one of his more easy fixes, again, if you believed him.

The short version is that many people see in Trump what they want, all under the banner of "make america great again".  I don't know why they've chosen Trump given the irrefutable facts about his past and when that sort of dishonest and exploitative nature continues, they double down and defend him when much less was utterly unacceptable under his opponents.

You can go on about how all these other type of people are out of touch etc, but it like you've dismissed everyone else in the room, got to Trump and though "well, there is nobody else here, no point in running a background check on him".

He's almost getting the support of the people, by default.

He hasn't earned it and he doesn't stand for what people use to justify their support of him. 

He wants cheap labour, he wants to exploit undocumented or imported workers, he wants more tax cuts and better treatment for the rich, he wants to keep the loopholes in place that he and his trust/corporate setups use to not pay any tax in the first place, he was a believer in universal health care like Obamacare and a woman's right to choose, hell he even said the state should stay out of the bathroom debate and let people use which ever one they want.

But he's back tracked on all of that or is simply telling the people what he thinks they need to hear to win their trust.

Sure his opponents aren't perfect, but unless people are willing to apply the same logic and standards to their support of Trump as they do to their hatred of his opponents, he'll be nothing more than the winner by default, undeserving of their support and he'll turn on them and exploit them as soon as he gets the chance, again for his own personal gain.

The fact that many like you can't see this, or choose to look the other way is very scary.


i've stated this before, but i'll form a proper judgment on his achievements, or lack thereof, after he's spent more time in the role - somewhere between the 100 days and 3 year mark. if he fails to carry out some of the main issues he spoke about, then i'll criticise him. at this stage though, it's just frothing at the mouth leftists offering comment, and they're far too emotional and retarded to be taken seriously.
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Reply #95 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 6:04pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:15pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:18am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:28pm:
you still don't get it. think about why people support protectionist measures for industry. think about why people want a wall on the border. think about why people want the interventions in the middle east to stop. think about why ordinary working people are tired of being lectured to by people who don't share their interests, such as celebrities, soros, academics and about 90% of journalists. 99% of criticisms of trump never hit on any of these issues. they always dance around them.


That might be true, but Trump's own record shows he's no better.  Sure, he's only ruined lives in the private sector not politics (at least up until his inauguration) so you can't link to specific instances of his wrong doing, or at least selfish exploitative behaviour in politics, but look at who he is surrounding himself with.

He's no better than the establishment his apologists like to paint, only less competent and less capable.

And for all your hate on celebrities, they've turned to him in a big way because he is a celebrity.

His business dealing may have worked out well for him, his family and the higher ups in the executive levels, but not many others. 

Again, I want to be wrong, but it looks like his politics will be the same, not that good for the people on the ground, but great for him, his family and his inner circle.

The only real "evidence" we have to go on that would suggest that he will be different, is his word.  We know what that's worth.

But just in case you didn't, sweet bugger all.

Look at how his ObamaCare replacement is shaping up...  That was meant to be one of his more easy fixes, again, if you believed him.

The short version is that many people see in Trump what they want, all under the banner of "make america great again".  I don't know why they've chosen Trump given the irrefutable facts about his past and when that sort of dishonest and exploitative nature continues, they double down and defend him when much less was utterly unacceptable under his opponents.

You can go on about how all these other type of people are out of touch etc, but it like you've dismissed everyone else in the room, got to Trump and though "well, there is nobody else here, no point in running a background check on him".

He's almost getting the support of the people, by default.

He hasn't earned it and he doesn't stand for what people use to justify their support of him. 

He wants cheap labour, he wants to exploit undocumented or imported workers, he wants more tax cuts and better treatment for the rich, he wants to keep the loopholes in place that he and his trust/corporate setups use to not pay any tax in the first place, he was a believer in universal health care like Obamacare and a woman's right to choose, hell he even said the state should stay out of the bathroom debate and let people use which ever one they want.

But he's back tracked on all of that or is simply telling the people what he thinks they need to hear to win their trust.

Sure his opponents aren't perfect, but unless people are willing to apply the same logic and standards to their support of Trump as they do to their hatred of his opponents, he'll be nothing more than the winner by default, undeserving of their support and he'll turn on them and exploit them as soon as he gets the chance, again for his own personal gain.

The fact that many like you can't see this, or choose to look the other way is very scary.


i've stated this before, but i'll form a proper judgment on his achievements, or lack thereof, after he's spent more time in the role - somewhere between the 100 days and 3 year mark. if he fails to carry out some of the main issues he spoke about, then i'll criticise him. at this stage though, it's just frothing at the mouth leftists offering comment, and they're far too emotional and retarded to be taken seriously.



You dont think he has done enough bad stuff now to criticise?  The russia hacking that he DENIES? the wire-tap comments that are provably FALSE? The incredible and continuing lies? The perjury and lying by his appointees?

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trump's main purpose is to put a dent in leftardism - the cultural and racist loathing and hate perpetuated by the left. this concern overrides all others. a few lies - either real or imaginary - don't register. do you think leftards care about their lies and violence when trying to implement their identity politics fantasies? no. the rules have changed. live with it. alinksy is now an alt-rightist.
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:10am:
trump's main purpose is to put a dent in leftardism - the cultural and racist loathing and hate perpetuated by the left. this concern overrides all others. a few lies - either real or imaginary - don't register. do you think leftards care about their lies and violence when trying to implement their identity politics fantasies? no. the rules have changed. live with it. alinksy is now an alt-rightist.



Actually his role is to run the government - something he has to date, done little of.
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Reply #98 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:07am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:10am:
trump's main purpose is to put a dent in leftardism


You've totally misjudged the role of the President.

Only a "conservatard" to use your childish language, could be so dumb.
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presidents can initiate and help with all kinds of things. standing up to the cultural left is one of those. obama, and nearly every other pm and president in the west for the last 40 years, was used by globalists and self-loathing leftists to help with their aims.
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Reply #100 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 10:16am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:20am:
presidents can initiate and help with all kinds of things. standing up to the cultural left is one of those. obama, and nearly every other pm and president in the west for the last 40 years, was used by globalists and self-loathing leftists to help with their aims.


"Leftists", "Globalists", "Cultural Left", they're all red flags mate...  Seek help.
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nope. i am more conversed in the cultural left than most people. i studied it for years (often not voluntarily). care to do a few rounds?
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Judge Napolitano: For the first Time in Modern Era We Have President Who Is Adversary of Deep State


Published on Mar 6, 2017
Judge Napolitano on President Trump: "The Deep State has a very wise and shrewd adversary, the man in the Oval Office. For the first time in the modern era the man in the Oval Office is an adversary of the Deep State and not a tool of it."
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:20am:
presidents can initiate and help with all kinds of things. standing up to the cultural left is one of those. obama, and nearly every other pm and president in the west for the last 40 years, was used by globalists and self-loathing leftists to help with their aims.



AS idiotic as that sounds, the true irony is that Trump has LITERALLY been used by Russia to achieve some of their goals.
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Judge Napolitano: For the first Time in Modern Era We Have President Who Is Adversary of Deep State


Published on Mar 6, 2017
Judge Napolitano on President Trump: "The Deep State has a very wise and shrewd adversary, the man in the Oval Office. For the first time in the modern era the man in the Oval Office is an adversary of the Deep State and not a tool of it."



actually, Trump is under the control of Putin. There is no 'deep state'. it is just another psychotic imagination from the people that brought you Reptiles in government, anti-vaxxers and pizzagate - all huge embarrassments to the clowns that promulgate them.
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Reply #105 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 2:38pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:27am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:20am:
presidents can initiate and help with all kinds of things. standing up to the cultural left is one of those. obama, and nearly every other pm and president in the west for the last 40 years, was used by globalists and self-loathing leftists to help with their aims.



AS idiotic as that sounds,


nothing idiotic about it. if it wasn't the case there'd be no leaders.

Quote:
the true irony is that Trump has LITERALLY been used by Russia to achieve some of their goals.


Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #106 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:13pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:27am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:20am:
presidents can initiate and help with all kinds of things. standing up to the cultural left is one of those. obama, and nearly every other pm and president in the west for the last 40 years, was used by globalists and self-loathing leftists to help with their aims.



AS idiotic as that sounds,


nothing idiotic about it. if it wasn't the case there'd be no leaders.

Quote:
the true irony is that Trump has LITERALLY been used by Russia to achieve some of their goals.


Cheesy Cheesy



Would you care to criticise Russia's PROVEN assault on the american election or are you going to choose to side with Trump/Putin on the matter?
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nope. my thoughts won't be dictated to by 'journalists' or anonymous people on the net.
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:29pm:
nope. my thoughts won't be dictated to by 'journalists' or anonymous people on the net.


hmmm.... so 17 USA intelligence agencies say Russia hacked the election. Multiple foreign intelligence services and go ts concur but no.... YOU know different.

You are a gobsmacking example of a partisan fool; an ignoramus who would declare the world to be flat if it served your purpose.

fool.
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:29pm:
nope. my thoughts won't be dictated to by 'journalists' or anonymous people on the net.


hmmm.... so 17 USA intelligence agencies say Russia hacked the election. Multiple foreign intelligence services and go ts concur but no.... YOU know different.

You are a gobsmacking example of a partisan fool; an ignoramus who would declare the world to be flat if it served your purpose.

fool.


you've displayed the emotional maturity of a four year old throughout the us election. why the f**k would i listen to thing you've got to say? every time you commit keys to keyboard it screeches unstable lunatic.
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do strokes affect emotional stability?
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:29pm:
nope. my thoughts won't be dictated to by 'journalists' or anonymous people on the net.


hmmm.... so 17 USA intelligence agencies say Russia hacked the election. Multiple foreign intelligence services and go ts concur but no.... YOU know different.

You are a gobsmacking example of a partisan fool; an ignoramus who would declare the world to be flat if it served your purpose.

fool.


you've displayed the emotional maturity of a four year old throughout the us election. why the f**k would i listen to thing you've got to say? every time you commit keys to keyboard it screeches unstable lunatic.




its not ME saying anything. it is 17 intelligence agencies.  Your denial makes you sound like a putin-lover.

gullible fool.
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do strokes affect emotional stability?


I'm not sure. Do they make one yawn?
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longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:49pm:
gullible fool.


I don't think that's fair.

He's only believing what he wants to, it's similar, but different from blind gullibility.
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