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Re: The Deep State War on Trump...
Reply #90 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:34am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:23am:
Some time ago, I read a characterisation of the CIA as the US president's personal secret army that no commander-in-chief has been able to resist using, no matter how pure his intentions at the start of his administration.

Apparently a Democrat president is more likely to hold out against the lure of this covert raw power than a Republican one... But, in the end, they all can't resist it.


The C.I.A. has apparently stockpiled what they deem as  "weaponized Zero-Day” threats which can be instantaneously be used to exploit any unidentified vulnerabilities in a wide range of devices before their manufacturer is able to detect the flaw and correct it. This was big in the Obama administration where they had supposedly established a “Vulnerabilities Equities Process,” under which the C.I.A. would inform manufacturers of most software vulnerabilities while keeping some to itself for exploitation.
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Reply #91 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:47am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:18am:
That might be true, but Trump's own record shows he's no better.  Sure, he's only ruined lives in the private sector not politics (at least up until his inauguration) so you can't link to specific instances of his wrong doing, or at least selfish exploitative behaviour in politics, but look at who he is surrounding himself with.

He's no better than the establishment his apologists like to paint, only less competent and less capable.

And for all your hate on celebrities, they've turned to him in a big way because he is a celebrity.

His business dealing may have worked out well for him, his family and the higher ups in the executive levels, but not many others. 

Again, I want to be wrong, but it looks like his politics will be the same, not that good for the people on the ground, but great for him, his family and his inner circle.

The only real "evidence" we have to go on that would suggest that he will be different, is his word.  We know what that's worth.

But just in case you didn't, sweet bugger all.

Look at how his ObamaCare replacement is shaping up...  That was meant to be one of his more easy fixes, again, if you believed him.

The short version is that many people see in Trump what they want, all under the banner of "make america great again".  I don't know why they've chosen Trump given the irrefutable facts about his past and when that sort of dishonest and exploitative nature continues, they double down and defend him when much less was utterly unacceptable under his opponents.

You can go on about how all these other type of people are out of touch etc, but it like you've dismissed everyone else in the room, got to Trump and though "well, there is nobody else here, no point in running a background check on him".

He's almost getting the support of the people, by default.

He hasn't earned it and he doesn't stand for what people use to justify their support of him. 

He wants cheap labour, he wants to exploit undocumented or imported workers, he wants more tax cuts and better treatment for the rich, he wants to keep the loopholes in place that he and his trust/corporate setups use to not pay any tax in the first place, he was a believer in universal health care like Obamacare and a woman's right to choose, hell he even said the state should stay out of the bathroom debate and let people use which ever one they want.

But he's back tracked on all of that or is simply telling the people what he thinks they need to hear to win their trust.

Sure his opponents aren't perfect, but unless people are willing to apply the same logic and standards to their support of Trump as they do to their hatred of his opponents, he'll be nothing more than the winner by default, undeserving of their support and he'll turn on them and exploit them as soon as he gets the chance, again for his own personal gain.

The fact that many like you can't see this, or choose to look the other way is very scary.

Great post!

The habit of leaders' reversing their position once in power is, of course, age old...

The most historically dramatic was Napoleon, who began his political career as the great liberator and destroyer of the hereditary arrogation of power - a 'draining of the swamp' if you like - (promising liberty, equality and brotherhood), but then crowned himself emperor, married a Hapsburg Princess and elevated his family to aristocracy throughout the French conquered territories of Europe.

But, at least he was philosophical about his chances of controlling his own destiny, with his metaphorical acknowledgement of the role the 'goddess of fortune' would play in his fate, lamenting that when the goddess was done with him, he would be swept aside by her and extracted from history...

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Re: The Deep State War on Trump...
Reply #92 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:34am
 
How long before we get 'Deep State' - the movie?

It's a perfect (but soon to be hackneyed) title for a conspiracy theory plot...
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Reply #93 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:07am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:34am:
How long before we get 'Deep State' - the movie?

It's a perfect (but soon to be hackneyed) title for a conspiracy theory plot...



Its a fabulous idea for a movie. Tom Cruise or Matt Damon.... the trouble is that no matter how ridiculous it was, Trumpoids would call it a documentary.
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Re: The Deep State War on Trump...
Reply #94 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:15pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:18am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:28pm:
you still don't get it. think about why people support protectionist measures for industry. think about why people want a wall on the border. think about why people want the interventions in the middle east to stop. think about why ordinary working people are tired of being lectured to by people who don't share their interests, such as celebrities, soros, academics and about 90% of journalists. 99% of criticisms of trump never hit on any of these issues. they always dance around them.


That might be true, but Trump's own record shows he's no better.  Sure, he's only ruined lives in the private sector not politics (at least up until his inauguration) so you can't link to specific instances of his wrong doing, or at least selfish exploitative behaviour in politics, but look at who he is surrounding himself with.

He's no better than the establishment his apologists like to paint, only less competent and less capable.

And for all your hate on celebrities, they've turned to him in a big way because he is a celebrity.

His business dealing may have worked out well for him, his family and the higher ups in the executive levels, but not many others. 

Again, I want to be wrong, but it looks like his politics will be the same, not that good for the people on the ground, but great for him, his family and his inner circle.

The only real "evidence" we have to go on that would suggest that he will be different, is his word.  We know what that's worth.

But just in case you didn't, sweet bugger all.

Look at how his ObamaCare replacement is shaping up...  That was meant to be one of his more easy fixes, again, if you believed him.

The short version is that many people see in Trump what they want, all under the banner of "make america great again".  I don't know why they've chosen Trump given the irrefutable facts about his past and when that sort of dishonest and exploitative nature continues, they double down and defend him when much less was utterly unacceptable under his opponents.

You can go on about how all these other type of people are out of touch etc, but it like you've dismissed everyone else in the room, got to Trump and though "well, there is nobody else here, no point in running a background check on him".

He's almost getting the support of the people, by default.

He hasn't earned it and he doesn't stand for what people use to justify their support of him. 

He wants cheap labour, he wants to exploit undocumented or imported workers, he wants more tax cuts and better treatment for the rich, he wants to keep the loopholes in place that he and his trust/corporate setups use to not pay any tax in the first place, he was a believer in universal health care like Obamacare and a woman's right to choose, hell he even said the state should stay out of the bathroom debate and let people use which ever one they want.

But he's back tracked on all of that or is simply telling the people what he thinks they need to hear to win their trust.

Sure his opponents aren't perfect, but unless people are willing to apply the same logic and standards to their support of Trump as they do to their hatred of his opponents, he'll be nothing more than the winner by default, undeserving of their support and he'll turn on them and exploit them as soon as he gets the chance, again for his own personal gain.

The fact that many like you can't see this, or choose to look the other way is very scary.


i've stated this before, but i'll form a proper judgment on his achievements, or lack thereof, after he's spent more time in the role - somewhere between the 100 days and 3 year mark. if he fails to carry out some of the main issues he spoke about, then i'll criticise him. at this stage though, it's just frothing at the mouth leftists offering comment, and they're far too emotional and retarded to be taken seriously.
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Re: The Deep State War on Trump...
Reply #95 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 6:04pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:15pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:18am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:28pm:
you still don't get it. think about why people support protectionist measures for industry. think about why people want a wall on the border. think about why people want the interventions in the middle east to stop. think about why ordinary working people are tired of being lectured to by people who don't share their interests, such as celebrities, soros, academics and about 90% of journalists. 99% of criticisms of trump never hit on any of these issues. they always dance around them.


That might be true, but Trump's own record shows he's no better.  Sure, he's only ruined lives in the private sector not politics (at least up until his inauguration) so you can't link to specific instances of his wrong doing, or at least selfish exploitative behaviour in politics, but look at who he is surrounding himself with.

He's no better than the establishment his apologists like to paint, only less competent and less capable.

And for all your hate on celebrities, they've turned to him in a big way because he is a celebrity.

His business dealing may have worked out well for him, his family and the higher ups in the executive levels, but not many others. 

Again, I want to be wrong, but it looks like his politics will be the same, not that good for the people on the ground, but great for him, his family and his inner circle.

The only real "evidence" we have to go on that would suggest that he will be different, is his word.  We know what that's worth.

But just in case you didn't, sweet bugger all.

Look at how his ObamaCare replacement is shaping up...  That was meant to be one of his more easy fixes, again, if you believed him.

The short version is that many people see in Trump what they want, all under the banner of "make america great again".  I don't know why they've chosen Trump given the irrefutable facts about his past and when that sort of dishonest and exploitative nature continues, they double down and defend him when much less was utterly unacceptable under his opponents.

You can go on about how all these other type of people are out of touch etc, but it like you've dismissed everyone else in the room, got to Trump and though "well, there is nobody else here, no point in running a background check on him".

He's almost getting the support of the people, by default.

He hasn't earned it and he doesn't stand for what people use to justify their support of him. 

He wants cheap labour, he wants to exploit undocumented or imported workers, he wants more tax cuts and better treatment for the rich, he wants to keep the loopholes in place that he and his trust/corporate setups use to not pay any tax in the first place, he was a believer in universal health care like Obamacare and a woman's right to choose, hell he even said the state should stay out of the bathroom debate and let people use which ever one they want.

But he's back tracked on all of that or is simply telling the people what he thinks they need to hear to win their trust.

Sure his opponents aren't perfect, but unless people are willing to apply the same logic and standards to their support of Trump as they do to their hatred of his opponents, he'll be nothing more than the winner by default, undeserving of their support and he'll turn on them and exploit them as soon as he gets the chance, again for his own personal gain.

The fact that many like you can't see this, or choose to look the other way is very scary.


i've stated this before, but i'll form a proper judgment on his achievements, or lack thereof, after he's spent more time in the role - somewhere between the 100 days and 3 year mark. if he fails to carry out some of the main issues he spoke about, then i'll criticise him. at this stage though, it's just frothing at the mouth leftists offering comment, and they're far too emotional and retarded to be taken seriously.



You dont think he has done enough bad stuff now to criticise?  The russia hacking that he DENIES? the wire-tap comments that are provably FALSE? The incredible and continuing lies? The perjury and lying by his appointees?

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Reply #96 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:10am
 
trump's main purpose is to put a dent in leftardism - the cultural and racist loathing and hate perpetuated by the left. this concern overrides all others. a few lies - either real or imaginary - don't register. do you think leftards care about their lies and violence when trying to implement their identity politics fantasies? no. the rules have changed. live with it. alinksy is now an alt-rightist.
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Reply #97 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 8:04am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:10am:
trump's main purpose is to put a dent in leftardism - the cultural and racist loathing and hate perpetuated by the left. this concern overrides all others. a few lies - either real or imaginary - don't register. do you think leftards care about their lies and violence when trying to implement their identity politics fantasies? no. the rules have changed. live with it. alinksy is now an alt-rightist.



Actually his role is to run the government - something he has to date, done little of.
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Reply #98 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:07am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:10am:
trump's main purpose is to put a dent in leftardism


You've totally misjudged the role of the President.

Only a "conservatard" to use your childish language, could be so dumb.
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Reply #99 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:20am
 
presidents can initiate and help with all kinds of things. standing up to the cultural left is one of those. obama, and nearly every other pm and president in the west for the last 40 years, was used by globalists and self-loathing leftists to help with their aims.
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Reply #100 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 10:16am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:20am:
presidents can initiate and help with all kinds of things. standing up to the cultural left is one of those. obama, and nearly every other pm and president in the west for the last 40 years, was used by globalists and self-loathing leftists to help with their aims.


"Leftists", "Globalists", "Cultural Left", they're all red flags mate...  Seek help.
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Reply #101 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 10:23am
 
nope. i am more conversed in the cultural left than most people. i studied it for years (often not voluntarily). care to do a few rounds?
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Reply #102 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 10:25am
 


Judge Napolitano: For the first Time in Modern Era We Have President Who Is Adversary of Deep State


Published on Mar 6, 2017
Judge Napolitano on President Trump: "The Deep State has a very wise and shrewd adversary, the man in the Oval Office. For the first time in the modern era the man in the Oval Office is an adversary of the Deep State and not a tool of it."
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Reply #103 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:27am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:20am:
presidents can initiate and help with all kinds of things. standing up to the cultural left is one of those. obama, and nearly every other pm and president in the west for the last 40 years, was used by globalists and self-loathing leftists to help with their aims.



AS idiotic as that sounds, the true irony is that Trump has LITERALLY been used by Russia to achieve some of their goals.
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Reply #104 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 11:28am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 10:25am:


Judge Napolitano: For the first Time in Modern Era We Have President Who Is Adversary of Deep State


Published on Mar 6, 2017
Judge Napolitano on President Trump: "The Deep State has a very wise and shrewd adversary, the man in the Oval Office. For the first time in the modern era the man in the Oval Office is an adversary of the Deep State and not a tool of it."



actually, Trump is under the control of Putin. There is no 'deep state'. it is just another psychotic imagination from the people that brought you Reptiles in government, anti-vaxxers and pizzagate - all huge embarrassments to the clowns that promulgate them.
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