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Re: The Deep State War on Trump...
Reply #45 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:46am
 
Given there are so many people, from all sides of politics (even if they voted for him because they have to vote against the Dems) who take issue and are critical about Trump, rather than just dismissing it as "leftwankers can't accept the result" or some other such insulting coward punch of an attack, is it worth asking why, like really asking why?

It's easy to attack those who don't share the same views as yourself, and boy do Trump supporters looooooove to do that, but what comes with that is a total dismissal and ignoring of what the person they've attacked has to say and why they're saying it.

It's important to keep that in mind.

I take issue with much of what Trump says and does because he's for too long been in a position of power where there were no checks and balances and he could do terrible despicable things without any accountability.  Even in business, when things got tough, he just declared bankruptcy protecting his assets and destroying others livelihoods and even their lives. 

On top of that, he's far to concerned with being a "winner" and the idea of people liking and admiring him.  It's just a shame that he would rather spin his way into such a position with marketing and PR tactics and character assassinations of his rivals than by his actions and you know, earning the admiration.

Any hint to the contrary (that he's not a winner or someone doesn't like him or god forbid are critical of his actions or speech) sends him on the attack, the "thin skinned" nature we're all far too used to by now. 

He had the entire election campaign to prove himself, to rise above all of that yet he only sunk lower and lower.

He's not a good leader, end of story.

Lying was a big issues when he was painting Clinton as "Crooked Hillary".  Private Email Servers, leaking of information, cosying up to "the establishment", all things unacceptable when attacking Clinton.

But these have been his modus operandi since being inaugurated, if not before, so on top of everything else, he's a giant hypocrite to boot.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to be critical of Trump and as supporters of his, you owe it to yourselves to understand these and be informed, rather than dismiss them as if you're rooting for your favourite sporting team.

Blind devotion is much worse than blind hate.  Neither are good, but you really can't complain about one when you're guilty of the other.

But what would I know, I'm just a shill spreading fake news apparently.
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Reply #46 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.

Now I think Trump supporters believe it's bad press, but I want to see more evidence that "enemies of the American people" such as CNN, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the LA Times, BBC, etc, are somehow attacking Trump or presenting biased information.

Let's discuss a "bad press" feature article by American "enemy", the Washington Post. It's one of the most negative I can find. I can see how it's most unfavourable to Donald Trump, but I can't see anything biased, skewed or untrue in this article. A number of Trump biographies contain eyewitness accounts of Trump doing exactly what's claimed below. These aren't lies, they're facts about a US president. Surely this is exactly what the press should be reporting on. Like most "negative" stories on Trump, the evidence comes from Trump's own words.

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Donald Trump masqueraded as publicist to brag about himself

By Marc Fisher and Will Hobson  May 13, 2016

The voice is instantly familiar; the tone, confident, even cocky; the cadence, distinctly Trumpian. The man on the phone vigorously defending Donald Trump says he’s a media spokesman named John Miller, but then he says, “I’m sort of new here,” and “I’m somebody that he knows and I think somebody that he trusts and likes” and even “I’m going to do this a little, part time, and then, yeah, go on with my life.”

A recording obtained by The Washington Post captures what New York reporters and editors who covered Trump’s early career experienced in the 1970s, ’80s and ’90s: calls from Trump’s Manhattan office that resulted in conversations with “John Miller” or “John Barron” — public-relations men who sound precisely like Trump himself — who indeed are Trump, masquerading as an unusually helpful and boastful advocate for himself, according to the journalists and several of Trump’s top aides.

In 1991, Sue Carswell, a reporter at People magazine, called Trump’s office seeking an interview with the developer. She had just been assigned to cover the soap opera surrounding the end of Trump’s 12-year marriage to Ivana, his budding relationship with the model Marla Maples and his rumored affairs with any number of celebrities who regularly appeared on the gossip pages of the New York newspapers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-alter-ego-barron/2016/05/12...
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Within five minutes, Carswell got a return call from Trump’s publicist, a man named John Miller, who immediately jumped into a startlingly frank and detailed explanation of why Trump dumped Maples for the Italian model Carla Bruni. “He really didn’t want to make a commitment,” Miller said. “He’s coming out of a marriage, and he’s starting to do tremendously well financially.”

Miller turned out to be a remarkably forthcoming source — a spokesman with rare insight into the private thoughts and feelings of his client. “Have you met him?” Miller asked the reporter. “He’s a good guy, and he’s not going to hurt anybody. . . . He treated his wife well and . . . he will treat Marla well.”

Some reporters found the calls from Miller or Barron disturbing or even creepy; others thought they were just examples of Trump being playful. Today, as the presumptive Republican nominee for president faces questions about his attitudes toward women, what stands out to some who received those calls is Trump’s characterization of women whom he portrayed as drawn to him sexually.

“Actresses,” Miller said in the call to Carswell, “just call to see if they can go out with him and things.” Madonna “wanted to go out with him.” And Trump’s alter ego boasted that in addition to living with Maples, Trump had “three other girlfriends.”

Miller was consistent about referring to Trump as “he,” but at one point, when asked how important Bruni was in Trump’s busy love life, the spokesman said, “I think it’s somebody that — you know, she’s beautiful. I saw her once, quickly, and beautiful . . . ” and then he quickly pivoted back into talking about Trump — then a 44-year-old father of three — in the third person.

In 1990, Trump testified in a court case that “I believe on occasion I used that name.”

In a phone call to NBC’s “Today” program Friday morning after this article appeared online, Trump denied that he was John Miller. “No, I don’t think it — I don’t know anything about it. You’re telling me about it for the first time and it doesn’t sound like my voice at all,” he said. “I have many, many people that are trying to imitate my voice and then you can imagine that, and this sounds like one of the scams, one of the many scams — doesn’t sound like me.” Later, he was more definitive: “It was not me on the phone. And it doesn’t sound like me on the phone, I will tell you that, and it was not me on the phone. And when was this? Twenty-five years ago?”

Then, Friday afternoon, Washington Post reporters who were 44 minutes into a phone interview with Trump about his finances asked him a question about Miller: “Did you ever employ someone named John Miller as a spokesperson?”

The phone went silent, then dead. When the reporters called back and reached Trump’s secretary, she said, “I heard you got disconnected. He can’t take the call now. I don’t know what happened.”

Trump has never been terribly adamant about denying that he often made calls to reporters posing as someone else. From his earliest years in business, he occasionally called reporters using the name “John Barron.”

A “John Baron,” described as a “vice-president of the Trump organization,” appeared in a front-page New York Times article as early as 1980, defending Trump’s decision to destroy sculptures on the facade of the Bonwit Teller department store building, the Fifth Avenue landmark he was demolishing to make way for his Trump Tower. Barron was quoted variously as a “Trump spokesman,” “Trump executive” or “Trump representative” in New York magazine, The Washington Post and other publications.

Trump’s fascination with the name “Barron” persisted for decades. When he was seeing Maples while still married to Ivana, he sometimes used the code name “the Baron” when he left messages for her. In 2004, when Trump commissioned a dramatic TV series based on the life of a New York real estate mogul like him, his only request to the writer was to name the main character “Barron.” And when Trump and his third wife, Melania, had a son, they named him Barron.

In the 1991 recording, Miller sounded quite at ease regaling the reporter with tales of Trump hanging out with Madonna at a ball at the Plaza Hotel, which he owned at the time. Asked about the rumored Madonna-Trump friendship, Miller, unlike every other PR man on the planet, neither batted the question away nor gave it short shrift. Rather, he said, “Do you have a second?”

Carswell, the reporter, sounded a bit startled: “Yeah, obviously,” she replied.

Whereupon Miller offered a detailed account of the Trump encounter with Madonna, who “came in a beautiful evening gown and combat boots.” The PR man assured the reporter that nothing untoward occurred: “He’s got zero interest that night.”

Miller also revealed to Carswell why Trump seemed to relish any and all media coverage, even the most critical. “I can tell you that he didn’t care if he got bad PR until he got his divorce finished,” Miller said. The more the press wrote about Trump’s money troubles, the greater advantage he would have in negotiations toward a financial settlement with his then-estranged wife, Ivana. Then, “once his divorce is finished,” Miller said, you would see stories about how Trump was “doing well financially and he’s doing well in every other way.”
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Reply #48 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:06am
 
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Carswell this week recalled that she immediately recognized something familiar in the Queens accent of Trump’s new publicist. She thought, “It’s so weird that Donald hired someone who sounds just like him.” After the 20-minute interview, she walked down the hall to play the tape to co-workers, who identified Trump’s voice. Carswell then called Cindy Adams, the longtime New York Post gossip columnist who had been close to Trump since the early 1970s. Adams immediately identified the voice as Trump’s.

“Oh, that’s Donald,” Carswell recalled Adams saying. “What is he doing?”

Then Carswell played the tape for Maples, who confirmed it was Trump and burst into tears as she heard Miller deny that a ring Trump gave her implied any intent to marry her.

Carswell, now a reporter-researcher at Vanity Fair, said the tape cuts off mid-interview, leaving out the part in which Miller said that actress Kim Basinger had been trying to date Trump. Hearing the tape for the first time in decades, Carswell said, “This was so farcical, that he pretended to be his own publicist. Here was this so-called billion-dollar real estate mogul, and he can’t hire his own publicist. It also said something about the control he wanted to keep of the news cycle flowing with this story, and I can’t believe he thought he’d get away with it.”

The Post obtained the recording from a source who provided it on the condition of anonymity. Carswell shared the microcassette of the call with the source shortly after the interview.

From the start of his career as a builder in New York, Trump worked the press. He believed in carrots and sticks, showering reporters with praise, then pivoting to a threat to sue them if they wrote something he considered inaccurate. He often said that all publicity, good or bad, was good for his business.

He made himself available to reporters at nearly any time, for hours on end. And he called them, too, to promote his own projects, but also with juicy bits of gossip.

“One thing I’ve learned about the press is that they’re always hungry for a good story, and the more sensational the better,” Trump wrote in “The Art of the Deal,” his bestseller. “The point is that if you are a little different, or a little outrageous, or if you do things that are bold or controversial, the press is going to write about you.”

Trump did not describe using false identities to promote his brand, but he did write about why he strays from the strict truth: “I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration — and a very effective form of promotion.”

Carswell was far from the only reporter who received calls from suspiciously Trumpian characters. Linda Stasi, then a New York Daily News gossip columnist, said Trump once left her a voice mail from an “anonymous tipster” who wanted it known that Trump had been spotted going out with models. And editors at New York tabloids said calls from Barron were at points so common that they became a recurring joke on the city desk.

After Carswell’s story appeared — headlined “Trump Says Goodbye Marla, Hello Carla . . . And a Mysterious PR Man Who Sounds Just Like Donald Calls to Spread the Story” — Trump invited the reporter out for a night on the town with him and Maples. Carswell said Maples persuaded Trump to issue the invitation as an apology for tricking her. A few weeks later, when People ran a story about Trump and Maples getting engaged, Trump was quoted saying that the John Miller call was a “joke gone awry.”

Carswell had been skeptical all along. On the recording, she challenged Miller: “Where did you come from?”

“I basically worked for different firms,” he replied cryptically. And then he marveled at his boss’s ability to withstand critical news coverage: “I’ve never seen somebody so immune to . . . bad press.”

Miller was also impressed by his client’s social life: “I mean, he’s living with Marla and he’s got three other girlfriends. ” But the PR man wanted the reporter to know that Trump believed in “the marriage concept” and planned to settle down, on his own terms: “He does things for himself. When he makes a decision, that will be a very lucky woman.”


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Reply #49 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am
 
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.
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Reply #50 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.


EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.
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Reply #51 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:09pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.


Well yes, but did he declare a "war on the media"? Did he declare them "enemies of the American people?" Did he accuse them of telling porkies? Did he refuse them entry to White House press briefings?

That would be the sensible thing to do, shurely.

But I'm curious. Can you see evidence of any bias or fake news in the article I've quoted above?

Can you understand why anyone might consider it to be an unreasonable attack on a presidential candidate?
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SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:46am:
Given there are so many people, from all sides of politics (even if they voted for him because they have to vote against the Dems) who take issue and are critical about Trump, rather than just dismissing it as "leftwankers can't accept the result" or some other such insulting coward punch of an attack, is it worth asking why, like really asking why?

It's easy to attack those who don't share the same views as yourself, and boy do Trump supporters looooooove to do that, but what comes with that is a total dismissal and ignoring of what the person they've attacked has to say and why they're saying it.

It's important to keep that in mind.

I take issue with much of what Trump says and does because he's for too long been in a position of power where there were no checks and balances and he could do terrible despicable things without any accountability.  Even in business, when things got tough, he just declared bankruptcy protecting his assets and destroying others livelihoods and even their lives. 

On top of that, he's far to concerned with being a "winner" and the idea of people liking and admiring him.  It's just a shame that he would rather spin his way into such a position with marketing and PR tactics and character assassinations of his rivals than by his actions and you know, earning the admiration.

Any hint to the contrary (that he's not a winner or someone doesn't like him or god forbid are critical of his actions or speech) sends him on the attack, the "thin skinned" nature we're all far too used to by now. 

He had the entire election campaign to prove himself, to rise above all of that yet he only sunk lower and lower.

He's not a good leader, end of story.

Lying was a big issues when he was painting Clinton as "Crooked Hillary".  Private Email Servers, leaking of information, cosying up to "the establishment", all things unacceptable when attacking Clinton.

But these have been his modus operandi since being inaugurated, if not before, so on top of everything else, he's a giant hypocrite to boot.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to be critical of Trump and as supporters of his, you owe it to yourselves to understand these and be informed, rather than dismiss them as if you're rooting for your favourite sporting team.

Blind devotion is much worse than blind hate.  Neither are good, but you really can't complain about one when you're guilty of the other.

But what would I know, I'm just a shill spreading fake news apparently.


you still don't get it. think about why people support protectionist measures for industry. think about why people want a wall on the border. think about why people want the interventions in the middle east to stop. think about why ordinary working people are tired of being lectured to by people who don't share their interests, such as celebrities, soros, academics and about 90% of journalists. 99% of criticisms of trump never hit on any of these issues. they always dance around them.
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Reply #53 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:30pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.


Well yes, but did he declare a "war on the media"? Did he declare them "enemies of the American people?" Did he accuse them of telling porkies? Did he refuse them entry to White House press briefings?

That would be the sensible thing to do, shurely.

But I'm curious. Can you see evidence of any bias or fake news in the article I've quoted above?

Can you understand why anyone might consider it to be an unreasonable attack on a presidential candidate?


the media is having a hissy fit because someone isn't taking their crap anymore.
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Reply #54 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:35pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:30pm:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.


Well yes, but did he declare a "war on the media"? Did he declare them "enemies of the American people?" Did he accuse them of telling porkies? Did he refuse them entry to White House press briefings?

That would be the sensible thing to do, shurely.

But I'm curious. Can you see evidence of any bias or fake news in the article I've quoted above?

Can you understand why anyone might consider it to be an unreasonable attack on a presidential candidate?


the media is having a hissy fit because someone isn't taking their crap anymore.


Thanks, Mistie. Can you show where the media is having a hissy fit? I've included one of the enemy's articles as a case in point, but feel free to provide your own example.

You might want to highlight any lies, bias, or offensive or provocative language you come across.
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Reply #55 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:41pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.


Well yes, but did he declare a "war on the media"? Did he declare them "enemies of the American people?" Did he accuse them of telling porkies? Did he refuse them entry to White House press briefings?

That would be the sensible thing to do, shurely.

But I'm curious. Can you see evidence of any bias or fake news in the article I've quoted above?

Can you understand why anyone might consider it to be an unreasonable attack on a presidential candidate?


Nah, he just had them killed:

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“As of October 2014 the CIA was also looking at infecting the vehicle control systems used by modern cars and trucks. The purpose of such control is not specified, but it would permit the CIA to engage in nearly undetectable assassinations,” writes Wikileaks.

After the death of journalist Michael Hastings in 2013, who contacted Wikileaks just hours before his death to inform them that he was under FBI investigation, speculation swirled as to whether his apparent high speed car crash in the Hancock Park neighborhood of Los Angeles was actually a targeted assassination.

Hastings sent an email hours before his death stating he was “onto a big story” and needed “to go off the rada[r] for a bit.” It later emerged that the story was likely to have been an exposé of the CIA.

Friends and colleagues confirmed that the journalist was “very paranoid” about being under government surveillance and had received death threats. A separate close friend of Hastings also told Infowars that the journalist’s home was visited by agents from an unnamed federal agency the day before his death.

Former counter-terror czar Richard Clarke subsequently went on record to remark that the crash involving Hastings was “consistent with a car cyber attack.”

The fact that the CIA was exploring car hacking techniques in October 2014 obviously suggests that the technology has been an area of interest for the agency.


You might also recall a few months back an assassination attempt on Putin, where a car travelling on the other side of the road plowed into his usual car...only Putin wasn't in it.  Very fishy in light of the latest revelations.


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Reply #56 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:44pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:35pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:30pm:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.


Well yes, but did he declare a "war on the media"? Did he declare them "enemies of the American people?" Did he accuse them of telling porkies? Did he refuse them entry to White House press briefings?

That would be the sensible thing to do, shurely.

But I'm curious. Can you see evidence of any bias or fake news in the article I've quoted above?

Can you understand why anyone might consider it to be an unreasonable attack on a presidential candidate?


the media is having a hissy fit because someone isn't taking their crap anymore.


Thanks, Mistie. Can you show where the media is having a hissy fit? I've included one of the enemy's articles as a case in point, but feel free to provide your own example.

You might want to highlight any lies, bias, or offensive or provocative language you come across.


there was about 5 million articles comparing him to hitler. go fetch 'em yourself.
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Reply #57 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:46pm
 
I can't find any, Mistie. Do you want to use my article?

What do you think of it, by the way?
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Reply #58 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:48pm
 
... wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:41pm:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Big Donger wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:55am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:28am:
Richdude wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:51am:
No POTUS has ever faced such a hostile, conspiratorial bunch of media dupes as Trump has.

Really?

So Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush II and Obama didn't run the gauntlet of bad press?

None of them (not even Nixon and that's saying something) was as thin-skinned as Trump. Is there noting he can let slide? He tweet-rants about Obama and wire-tapping, then not even an hour later, tweet-rants about Schwarzenegger and 'The Apprentice'.


I don't even understand how it's bad press. It's news.


Yes... Although they, themselves would have considered it bad press (and sometimes it was bad press)...

BTW according to certain reporters, Obama did not appreciate being lampooned and having his statements twisted for comical or political effect and would tell the reporter as much and in an animated way... However, it was always done privately and not via a neurotic twitter-storm... And it wasn't over every issue large or trivial.


Well yes, but did he declare a "war on the media"? Did he declare them "enemies of the American people?" Did he accuse them of telling porkies? Did he refuse them entry to White House press briefings?

That would be the sensible thing to do, shurely.

But I'm curious. Can you see evidence of any bias or fake news in the article I've quoted above?

Can you understand why anyone might consider it to be an unreasonable attack on a presidential candidate?


Nah, he just had them killed:

Quote:
“As of October 2014 the CIA was also looking at infecting the vehicle control systems used by modern cars and trucks. The purpose of such control is not specified, but it would permit the CIA to engage in nearly undetectable assassinations,” writes Wikileaks.

After the death of journalist Michael Hastings in 2013, who contacted Wikileaks just hours before his death to inform them that he was under FBI investigation, speculation swirled as to whether his apparent high speed car crash in the Hancock Park neighborhood of Los Angeles was actually a targeted assassination.

Hastings sent an email hours before his death stating he was “onto a big story” and needed “to go off the rada[r] for a bit.” It later emerged that the story was likely to have been an exposé of the CIA.

Friends and colleagues confirmed that the journalist was “very paranoid” about being under government surveillance and had received death threats. A separate close friend of Hastings also told Infowars that the journalist’s home was visited by agents from an unnamed federal agency the day before his death.

Former counter-terror czar Richard Clarke subsequently went on record to remark that the crash involving Hastings was “consistent with a car cyber attack.”

The fact that the CIA was exploring car hacking techniques in October 2014 obviously suggests that the technology has been an area of interest for the agency.


You might also recall a few months back an assassination attempt on Putin, where a car travelling on the other side of the road plowed into his usual car...only Putin wasn't in it.  Very fishy in light of the latest revelations.




Thanks, Honky. Can I just confirm - are you saying Obama ordered the assassination of journalists?

Please explain.
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Reply #59 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 1:27pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
EVERY politican gets lampooned. It is part of the job. The problem comes when the politician performs so badly and so offensively that mere lampooning is not enough; where no comical approach even gets close to how bad they are.

True... With Trump we're in a whole new paradigm of stupid...

He set himself up for lampooning years ago with 'birther'... Then, as if that wasn't enough, he sued Bill Maher over Maher's comical suggestion that Trump was the son of an orangutan...

Trump's stupidity is bottomless... This kind of stupid appears to be a uniquely American kind of stupid... When it comes to dumb, American culture is happy to blindly go where no culture has gone before...

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