watch all of the Leftist News come rushing to Obama's aid...

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 7:52am:


They were all over it last night "PANIC"

A little dark fella is going back pickin cotton

Yeh, sure he did. Surely it is time that this Looney Frump be held to account for his outlandish claims that invariably are found to be bullshit. Even RWNJ's like mechanic, fireball , juliar must get embarrased posting such crap............ on second thoughts no they wouldn't.

Next thing Trump will be doing press interviews wearing his tin foil hat.

He really should go and see a specialist with a nice comfy couch and access to a padded room.

As usual another crazed 3:00Am tweet offering no evidence to support the claim...

Another wild and slanderous distraction away from news of the near-collapse of Trump's administration.

The Russian thing? I'd bet that Trump and his key campaign aides will all be implicated (and likely charged or impeached then charged) in various acts of collusion with a foreign government to alter or influence the outcome of a US election.

Trump has proved himself to be so blood simple-minded as to imagine that, like Nixon, he had the powers that Loius XIV of France arrogated to himself, (I am the state), which would have fueled a mindset, like Nixon, of 'If the president does it, that means its not illegal'...

I'd bet he thought that, once in office, he could sign an Executive Order that would pardon himself and others and/or end, by a penstroke, any investigation into his and his aides connection to Russia.

All these tweets and crazed claims are his attempts at creating the world's greatest smoke screen...

What he should be considering (since he has a taste for quoting Lincoln or making comparisons to him) is another quote attributed to Lincoln - "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

He should have learned that from his 'birther' movement... Even he gave up on that one.

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zero evidence of any kind. Trump is losing it!

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 2:16pm:



That implies he at one point had it.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 7:46am:

  The latter Raven.. ie: those who should know better but obviously don't..

Trump's slow-motion collapse is evidence, writ-large, of the underlying void that lies beneath the turbulent veneer of a malignant narcissist...

Constrained by his diminished ability to threaten-into-silence at any price his critics can afford via lawsuits, Trump has reverted to projecting the malignancy of his own, deeply fractured personality onto them.

There will be no evidence forthcoming of Obama's ordering electronic surveillance of Trump... Unlike the mounting evidence that he (and/or his aides) colluded with a foreign government to affect the outcome of a US election in his favour.

If Fox news speculation is correct it relates to the FBI Russian election rigging scandal.

It would be of concern if the FBI had traced the connection back to Trump Tower and were asking to tap their comms as part of the investigation.

... in plain tweetish..

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 6:55pm:




When you have Lindsay Graham saying he doubts its true, then something is up.

ObamaGate Sends Shockwaves Through the Legal Community, 1533

Published on Mar 5, 2017
www.GetTheTea.com
Judge Jeanine blasted the new, burgeoning scandal of ObamaGate last night as she interviewed former Atty. General Michael Mukasey.
[insert]
I’m getting in all sorts of interesting tidbits. This one just in.
Of 35,529 FISA warrants sought over the first 34 years of the court’s existence, only 12 have been denied. The first FISA warrant against Donald Trump was denied last June.
By the way, FISA is an acronym for, The United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. It is a court that meets in secret. It was established to oversee surveillance warrants against foreign spies inside the United States by federal law enforcement and the intelligence agencies.
The first FISA request on Trump Tower came AFTER the infamous meeting of Bill Clinton and Attorney General Lynch on the tarmac at the Phoenix Airport.
The second one came AFTER Wikileaks started publishing the first batch of

John Podesta emails

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longweekend58 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 2:16pm:


He is, but his campaign almost certainly would have had his metadata/phone records "tapped", or monitored (or whatever the right spook word is) because of his contact with Russia. One of the most suspicious things in Trump Tower was an email server used solely to communicate with a Russian bank. When this was reported by the New York Times, all communication on this server ceased.

Now it's a known fact that Obama stood at arms-length from these sorts of surveillance operations. When he was presented with evidence on Trump's Russian contacts, he asked the FBI/CIA why they were showing it to him. Obama was renowned for sticking to the rules.

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 8:38am:


Yeah but none of that matters, you've seen the conspiracy crap posted here supporting Trump.  All it takes is a tweet from him and it's gospel truth, all the evidence anyone should ever need.

But the rigours and burden of proof required to challenge his word are nuts, and ultimately a waste of time as they get dismissed as fake news anyway.

It will be interesting to see what future scandal Trump is trying to soften or de-legitimise with his claims about Obama tapping his phone.

On the flip side, when Trump end ups up being caught doing the same thing to his rivals, both political and business, you'll watch his supporters suddenly no longer care about phone tapping or go a step further and defend it some how.

I want to be wrong, but we've seen it all before with many other issues...  They have no spine and the only shred of consistency they have is "Trump is Right" and nothing else.

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 8:58am:


If you listen to Trump's simplistic and hypocritical answers to any problem it sounds like you are listening to some inexperienced loser in his mums basement ranting at the world. Think about it for a minute and you will realise I am not wrong.

Is Donald Trump bonkers, paranoid or trapped?

Washington: US President Donald Trump on Saturday angrily accused former president Barack Obama of orchestrating a 'Nixon/Watergate' plot to tap the phones at his Trump Tower headquarters in the run-up to the election.

He cited no evidence to support his explosive allegation.

An Obama spokesman gave an emphatic, but noticeably limited response: "A cardinal rule of the Obama Administration was that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice. As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any US citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false."

FBI director James Comey asked the Justice Department to publicly reject the assertion but the agency not the Justice Department had not, at time of writing, released any such statement. So the possibility remains that Trump was under some sort of surveillance in the course of an intelligence investigation. A showing of probable cause to a court would have been required to obtain a wiretap of the type Trump alleged.

In the course of less than a week we've gone from "Trump presidency on the rocks" to "What a normal speech!" to "How many Trump associates had contact with the Russians, and why did the lie about it?" to "Trump was bugged, really?!?"

There are several explanations - not necessarily mutually exclusive - for the latest outburst from the President.
1. Trump is increasingly out of touch with reality

Just as he obsessed over the crowd size at his inauguration and the fictional illegal voters upward of three million, Trump's mammoth ego cannot take the daily drumbeat of attacks and accusations. When adversity strikes - as it did with new allegations concerning Attorney-General Jeff Sessions, who was forced to recuse himself from any campaign-related investigation - he becomes unhinged and paranoid. He can stick to a teleprompter speech for an hour, but soon reverts to form.
2. Trump is panicked

A variation on the first possibility would be that Trump correctly realises the intelligence community has a good deal more information on what contacts his associates had with Russians than he does. A New York Times story last week confirmed that the intelligence community also has intercepts of Russian officials discussing their contacts with Trump associates. Trump, under this theory, is panicked.

An exaggerated, unsupported claim from a right-wing provocateur and gadfly, Mark Levin, that Trump was directly wiretapped is enough to set him off into a Twitter frenzy. As they said about Richard Nixon, even paranoids have enemies.
3. Trump creates distractions

Another explanation is that Trump, as he does when things go wrong (the Sessions recusal, disarray on tax and health-care legislation, accusations about his foreign holdings), deliberately creates distractions. He'd rather the media chatter about whether he is sane than focus on the need to obtain his taxes to determine what connections he and his family have to Russia. (Recall that last week a story surfaced that Donald Trump jnr was paid handsomely for a speech in France for a pal of the Putin oligarchs.)

4. Trump could be right, sort of

And finally, it is possible that he is right that Trump communications were under investigation - but only up to a point. We go back to a story from late October 2016 in which FBI officials allegedly investigated a connection between computer servers owned by the Trump Organisation and the Russian Alpha Bank.

The New York Times reported that there could be an "innocuous explanation" for 2700 so-called look-up messages sent from Alpha servers to Trump's. This does not necessarily mean the FBI or anyone else was "wiretapping" Trump Tower, but we have yet to find out the extent of its investigation and whether, for example, the FBI discovered additional ties between Trump associates and Kremlin allies.

Apart from the server story, news reports have suggested, as a TIME story did, that "as major banks in America stopped lending him money following his many bankruptcies, the Trump conglomerate was forced to seek financing from non-traditional institutions. Several had direct ties to Russian financial interests in ways that have raised eyebrows".

Trump denies he has any ties to Russia. "I can tell you, speaking for myself, I own nothing in Russia. I have no loans in Russia. I don't have any deals in Russia," he said recently, leaving open the possibility that he and/or his sons have ties to Russians operating outside of Russia.

After Trump's Twitter outburst, some lawmakers like Republican Senator Ben Sasse chose to take him "seriously" - that is, calling for proof of his claims.

Others argued that his accusations only underscored the need for a definitive, independent investigation conducted by either a commission with subpoena power or a special prosecutor named by the deputy attorney-general (Sessions, who is recused, could not do so).

an Spicer tried to walk back the allegations on Sunday morning. He called for Congress, which is already investigating Trump's Russia connection, to look into improper surveillance during the campaign. He almost begged the press to drop it, saying that no further remarks on the topic would be forthcoming. Good luck with that.

cont....
http://www.smh.com.au/world/is-donald-trump-bonkers-paranoid-or-trapped-20170305...

My suspicion is that its a combination of all four.


The DOJ were tapping phones as part of an independant investigation. Trump is panicked and out of touch with what he needs to do, so he's creating a distraction about Obama being involved when he wasn't.

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 11:20am:


That's some of your purest bullshit yet.

Race:



economy:
Quote:


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/29/americas-economy-before-obama...

security:

Quote:


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/obama-civil-liberties/51286...

Foreign policy:

Quote:


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/15/president-obama-foreign-policy-w...

No more foreign wars:

Quote:


Your strategy might be evolving - you used to wrap a kernel of lies up in a series of somewhat defensible statements, but not here.  Literally nothing you said rings true. 

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 12:10pm:


Yes, good idea in a general sense, however this was for your benefit, not mine.

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/comment-trump-bonkers-paranoid-or-trapped/ar...





First, he is increasingly out of touch with reality. Just as he obsessed over the crowd size at his inauguration and the fictional illegal voters upward of 3 million, Trump’s mammoth ego cannot take the daily drumbeat of attacks and accusations. When adversity strikes — as it did with new allegations concerning Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who was forced to recuse himself from any campaign-related investigation — he becomes unhinged and paranoid. He can stick to a teleprompter speech for an hour, but soon reverts to form.

A variation on the first possibility would be that Trump correctly realizes the intelligence community has a good deal more information on what contacts his associates had with Russians than he does. A New York Times story last week confirmed that the intelligence community also has intercepts of Russian officials discussing their contacts with Trump associates. Trump, under this theory, is panicked. An exaggerated, unsupported claim from a right-wing provocateur and gadfly Mark Levin that Trump was directly wiretapped is enough to set him off into a Twitter frenzy. As they said about Richard Nixon, even paranoids have enemies.

Another explanation is that Trump, as he does when things go wrong (the Sessions recusal, disarray on tax and health-care legislation, accusations about his foreign holdings), deliberately creates distractions. He’d rather the media chatter about whether he is sane than focus on the need to obtain his taxes to determine what connections he and his family have to Russia. (Recall that last week a story surfaced that Donald Trump Jr. was paid handsomely for a speech in France for a pal of the Putin oligarchs.)

And finally, it is possible that he is right that Trump communications were under investigation — but only up to a point. We go back to a story from late October 2016 in which FBI officials allegedly investigated a connection between computer servers owned by the Trump Organization and the Russian Alpha Bank. The New York Times reported that there could be an “innocuous explanation” for 2,700 so-called look-up messages sent from Alpha servers to Trump’s. This does not necessarily mean the FBI or anyone else was “wiretapping” Trump Towers, but we have yet to find out the extent of its investigation and whether, for example, the FBI discovered additional ties between Trump associates and Kremlin allies.

Apart from the server story, news reports have suggested, as a TIME story did, that “as major banks in America stopped lending him money following his many bankruptcies, the Trump organization was forced to seek financing from non-traditional institutions. Several had direct ties to Russian financial interests in ways that have raised eyebrows.” (Trump denies he has any ties to Russia. “I can tell you, speaking for myself, I own nothing in Russia. I have no loans in Russia. I don’t have any deals in Russia,” he said recently, leaving open the possibility that he and/or his sons have ties to Russians operating outside of Russia.)



the man is simply demented.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 12:42pm:


True, but by far the most important lesson of the Trump administration to date is the failure of its first executive order, the "Muslim ban".

Trump, remember, promised to get down to business right from day one. The failure of this order has thrown the Trump administration completely off balance. Trump learned a powerful lesson about constitutional power, and it seems to have frozen him into inaction.

Trump has since left the White House for his Florida resort, Mar a Lago Trump has left the business of governing as well. With the exception of his speech to Congress, Trump's work as president has consisted solely of Tweets in the early hours of the morning.

This was bound to happen. You can't teach a 70 year old dog like Trump new tricks. He's already learned that government is too hard, and he hasn't even got to the tricky part yet: negotiating bills through congress and the senate.

Trump will now leave the presidency to his staffers and bunker down in Florida watching cable news and Tweeting. He'll come out for a few grandiose, but empty, speeches at podiums. He's play golf with a few world leaders.

But with Trump in Florida and his wife in Trump Tower, the White House will be headless, driven by factions and completely ineffective. It will now be up to congress and the senate to perform their constitutional roles and let the presidency play the role of figurehead - the very opposite of the role the Republicans envisage for executive government.

Trump will be a sort of loud American Prince Phillip. He'll continue to fake all sorts of presidential action, but the truth will remain. Trump lost all confidence in his ability to act as president when his Muslim ban was thrown out by the courts. For Trump, government is all too hard. Oh sure, it's still fun to get all that media attention, but why bother with actual policies?

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:05pm:


It seems like he thought it would be as simple as acting like a businessman in charge of a company, sure that his ideas are best despite what the experts say, ignoring all decent as traitorous and dictating what must be done.  As you've said, it's been a bit of a rude awakening this whole constitution thing...

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:05pm:


It's almost like he's playing the "Well see how well you do without me then!" game...

... wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:09pm:


They must be feeling buyers remorse en masse.

I can understand the disenfranchisement with the majors.  As you've said, even locally, they're only in it for themselves and the govern so.

What is utterly mind blowing is that people thought Trump would be different and that he was the answer to the "establishment". 

I hate to say it, but people are either smacking stupid, or they're using that excuse to mask their real reasons for supporting Trump.

This sentiment is only strengthened given who he has appointed and the actions he's taken and claims of what he will continue to take, so long as he comes back to work that is.

We're not at the point where Trump has betrayed all his supporters yet, but we're getting closer and closer to it.

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:14pm:


Well that's interesting - if he's no different, why the hysteria?  Why did you start an account to post about Trump, and only Trump, every day?

If he's really no different, you could and should go back to sleep for another 4 or 8 years...but you don't.  Your words say one thing, but your actions say another. 

So what are your real reasons?  Why are you trying to deceive us, shill?

John Smith wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:26pm:


Pretty much.  A good portion of bernie-supporting democrats jumped on the Trump train, but the bulk identify as right, not as republicans.  It wasn't the rusted-on voters that swept Trump to victory, it was those who'd been left out, and since democrats were in power for the last 8 years, it wasn't their base that was left out.
 
 
Do you dispute this, or are you just making face-saving noise?

... wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:28pm:


didn't you earlier claim they don't care about the 'left right paradigm'? suddenly they care? 

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:11pm:


If that. Trump thought it would be as simple as getting the right gesture for his line in the boardroom, "you're fired."

Trump really does think governing can be solved by media management. He thinks, for example, that he can sell a few extra border patrols and a fence as a Mexican Wall. He did, after all, sell the "solution" of the Mexican Wall in the first place - walling off a border when 60% of illegal immigrants in the US arrive by plane.

As for getting Mexico to pay for it, he never intended to carry that one out. I doubt Trump ever thought he'd be elected. Trump's tilt for the White House was not a plan to get into government and put actual policies into effect.It was a plan to get the Trump name out there and create an audience for his new media plans.

Trump's method in business has been to let others take care of the details and get the promotional strategy happening. His business itself has never been about actual products as such. Trump doesn't have a passion for gambling, for example - he says he's never gambled in his life. What Trump sells is himself. Even his grandiose plans to "transform the Manhattan skyline" were about immortalizing Donald Trump with phallic monuments to the Trump ego.

Trump sees the presidency in the same vein: a strategy to sell the Trump brand. Trump will make a few token efforts to achieve his election commitments, but he doesn't have the patience policy requires. The biggest worry, of course, is what Trump would do in a crisis. How would Trump respond, for example, to the Russian invasion of one of its former satellites? How would Trump respond to the invasion of a NATO-aligned country?

This isn't a hypothetical suggestion, it's the very reason Putin sought to get Trump elected. Putin plans to get the USSR back, and he wants a bigger presence in the Middle East. Putin's war against the Clintons is payback for their involvement in freezing Russia out in the 1990s.

On the other front, how would Trump respond to an Asian embrace of China? Duterte has already kicked the US out in the Philippines - what would happen if South East Asian countries followed like dominoes? Not only does Trump have no idea of US foreign policy on China, he has no advisors to help him. Bannon might have a few globalist theories, but he has no direction. Trump's other source of advice, Fox News, has no clear policy either, apart from Murdoch's Chinese business interests.

The Trump administration is in very deep water. So far, it has not shown its ability to learn, it has only shown its increased ineptitude. If ever there was a good time for an enemy to strike, this would be it.

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:


The enemy is striking, and they are already inside the city walls.

Trump knows that he doesn't need to look to another continent to find the gravest threat to America.  I know it pisses you off that he doesn't fall for your "look over there - a bear!" misdirection ploy, but he's not the idiot you wish he was.

... wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:


Because he's not competent in his role to the point of being dangerous, it's as simple as that.  Doesn't matter what side of the fence you sit on, if you're incapable of executing the job, you're unfit for it.

And I'm sick of showing you respect when you don't even accidently treat those who don't agree with you the same. 

You can keep calling me a shill all you like, it just shows how pathetic you are if you have to resort to personal attacks like Trump does when he's been outmatched, which sadly happens oh so often.

I'm entitled to my opinion just as everyone else is.  The differences is I've formed mine based on the facts and I'm open to changing it should the facts dictate it.

I'll be the first to swallow my pride and applaud Trump should he succeed in "making america great again", but it would be nice if he'd say what that means first.

Right now it means whatever the speaker wants it to.  To some, booting out a black president and preventing a woman from being in charge made america great again.

You seem to have your faith in Trump deeply entrenched to the point that you're turning a blind eye to the mounting evidence of his mistakes and failures, even only those that have occurred since he took office, and you defend his repeated lies after being so outraged by "crooked Hillary's" to the point of being a card carrying apologist.

I can't see you as the type willing to change your position should the evidence call for it.

And you call me the shill...

... wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 3:08pm:


Haha, he really is pathetic.  Silly me for feeding that coward.

... wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 2:00pm:


You do realize the FBI are investigating Trump's role in Russia hacking the Democrats and meddling in a US election, right?

And you do realize Trump has had nothing but praise for Putin?

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:


Well, that's believable.

I thought it might be that the Trump-enthusiasts (like Pauline Hanson) are in awe of a leader who rules by decree, kills or jails all critics, turns their country's media into a mouthpiece for their own political and business interests, creates state-sponsored monopolies and dishes them out to his stooges, and one who came to power through a campaign of state-sponsored terror where his ex-KGB agent employees placed bombs in Russian apartment buildings and were finally fingered when residents reported the number plates to the Moscow police.

I mean, what's not to like?   

We will make Australia great again, no?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 10:40pm:




SO your argument essentially is that because the last guy was bad, theres no way the current guy can be that bad?

2017[edit]
On January 21, suspected U.S. drone strikes have killed three alleged al Qaeda operatives in Bayda province, security and tribal officials said.[56]
On March 4, US armed drones and warplanes conducted more than 30 airstrikes against suspected Al Qaeda positions in three Yemeni provinces.[57]