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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101769	Re: Obama Tapped Trump Tower? Reply #60 - Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:55pm Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:29pm: Obama tapping phones hey? That's what happens when you let black people into the white house. There you go, Herbie. Looks like it is all about race.
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Reply #61 - Mar 6^th, 2017 at 2:00pm

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

If ever there was a good time for an enemy to strike, this would be it.

The enemy is striking, and they are already inside the city walls.

Trump knows that he doesn't need to look to another continent to find the gravest threat to America. I know it pisses you off that he doesn't fall for your "look over there - a bear!" misdirection ploy, but he's not the idiot you wish he was.

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Reply #62 - Mar 6^th, 2017 at 2:01pm

FBI director James Comey has reportedly dismissed Donald Trump's claims that his phone was tapped during last year's presidential campaign.

Mr Trump has turned to Congress for help in finding evidence to support his unsubstantiated claim that former president Barack Obama had Trump Tower's telephones tapped during the election, with the White House saying the issue should be looked at as part of the ongoing congressional probe into Russia's influence on the US election.

A US official told the Associated Press that the FBI had asked the Justice Department to dispute Mr Trump's allegations.

The New York Times reported that senior American officials said Mr Comey had argued that the claim must be corrected by the Justice Department because it falsely insinuated that the FBI broke the law.

Mr Obama's director of national intelligence, James Clapper, said nothing matching Mr Trump's claims had taken place.

"Absolutely, I can deny it," said Mr Clapper, who left government when Mr Trump took office in January. Other representatives for the former president also denied Mr Trump's allegation.

Under US law, a federal court would have to have found probable cause that the target of the surveillance was an "agent of a foreign power" in order to approve a warrant authorising electronic surveillance of Trump Tower.

Justice Department spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores declined to comment, and an FBI spokesman also did not comment.

White House spokesman Sean Spicer said Mr Trump and administration officials would have no further comment on the issue until Congress had completed its probe, potentially heading off attempts to get Mr Trump to explain his accusations.

"Reports concerning potentially politically motivated investigations immediately ahead of the 2016 election are very troubling," Mr Spicer said in a statement.

"President Trump is requesting that as part of their investigation into Russian activity, the congressional intelligence committees exercise their oversight authority to determine whether executive branch investigative powers were abused in 2016."

Asked to elaborate on Mr Spicer's statement in an interview with ABC News America, White House principal deputy press secretary Sarah Sanders responded: "If this happened, this would be the greatest abuse of power and overreach that's probably ever occurred in the executive branch."
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When reporter Martha Raddatz asked about Ms Sanders' use of the word "if" when Mr Trump had "stated it as fact", Ms Sanders said she would "let the President speak for himself".

"I think that we should get definitive answers. I think we need to put out hard facts that show that this happened," Ms Sanders said

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #63 - Mar 6^th, 2017 at 2:58pm

... wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Well that's interesting - if he's no different, why the hysteria?

Because he's not competent in his role to the point of being dangerous, it's as simple as that. Doesn't matter what side of the fence you sit on, if you're incapable of executing the job, you're unfit for it.

And I'm sick of showing you respect when you don't even accidently treat those who don't agree with you the same.

You can keep calling me a shill all you like, it just shows how pathetic you are if you have to resort to personal attacks like Trump does when he's been outmatched, which sadly happens oh so often.

I'm entitled to my opinion just as everyone else is. The differences is I've formed mine based on the facts and I'm open to changing it should the facts dictate it.

I'll be the first to swallow my pride and applaud Trump should he succeed in "making america great again", but it would be nice if he'd say what that means first.

Right now it means whatever the speaker wants it to. To some, booting out a black president and preventing a woman from being in charge made america great again.

You seem to have your faith in Trump deeply entrenched to the point that you're turning a blind eye to the mounting evidence of his mistakes and failures, even only those that have occurred since he took office, and you defend his repeated lies after being so outraged by "crooked Hillary's" to the point of being a card carrying apologist.

I can't see you as the type willing to change your position should the evidence call for it.

And you call me the shill...

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SadKangaroo Gold Member Offline Not sad, just paying attention to how cooked it is Posts: 22091 Meeanjin (Brisbane)	Re: Obama Tapped Trump Tower? Reply #65 - Mar 6^th, 2017 at 3:09pm ... wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 3:08pm: Well why don't you cry about it, shill? Haha, he really is pathetic. Silly me for feeding that coward.
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Re: Obama Tapped Trump Tower?
Reply #67 - Mar 6^th, 2017 at 3:23pm

... wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 2:00pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

If ever there was a good time for an enemy to strike, this would be it.

The enemy is striking, and they are already inside the city walls.

You do realize the FBI are investigating Trump's role in Russia hacking the Democrats and meddling in a US election, right?

And you do realize Trump has had nothing but praise for Putin?

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Reply #68 - Mar 6^th, 2017 at 3:30pm

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 3:23pm:

You do realize the FBI are investigating Trump's role in Russia hacking the Democrats and meddling in a US election, right?

And you do realize Trump has had nothing but praise for Putin?

Didn't you get the comic?

That's being dismissed and reframed as Liberals wanting Trump to attack Russia and because he remained neutral that must mean he's in bed with them! Outrage!

Just because his words, in context I might add, were praising Putin, that doesn't mean anything, that's fake news.

The new version of history, sorry, apparently what happened all along, was that everyone was calling for war with Russia, and Trump was the only one level headed enough not to start it, and because of that, the Liberals are saying he's in bed with them.

1+1=3 !

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Reply #69 - Mar 6^th, 2017 at 3:42pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 3:23pm:

You do realize the FBI are investigating Trump's role in Russia hacking the Democrats and meddling in a US election, right?

And you do realize Trump has had nothing but praise for Putin?

Didn't you get the comic?

That's being dismissed and reframed as Liberals wanting Trump to attack Russia and because he remained neutral that must mean he's in bed with them! Outrage!

Just because his words, in context I might add, were praising Putin, that doesn't mean anything, that's fake news.

The new version of history, sorry, apparently what happened all along, was that everyone was calling for war with Russia, and Trump was the only one level headed enough not to start it, and because of that, the Liberals are saying he's in bed with them.

1+1=3 !

Well, that's believable.

I thought it might be that the Trump-enthusiasts (like Pauline Hanson) are in awe of a leader who rules by decree, kills or jails all critics, turns their country's media into a mouthpiece for their own political and business interests, creates state-sponsored monopolies and dishes them out to his stooges, and one who came to power through a campaign of state-sponsored terror where his ex-KGB agent employees placed bombs in Russian apartment buildings and were finally fingered when residents reported the number plates to the Moscow police.

I mean, what's not to like?

We will make Australia great again, no?

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Reply #70 - Mar 6^th, 2017 at 10:40pm

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:11pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:05pm:

Trump has since left the White House for his Florida resort, Mar a Lago Trump has left the business of governing as well. With the exception of his speech to Congress, Trump's work as president has consisted solely of Tweets in the early hours of the morning.

This was bound to happen. You can't teach a 70 year old dog like Trump new tricks. He's already learned that government is too hard, and he hasn't even got to the tricky part yet: negotiating bills through congress and the senate.

It seems like he thought it would be as simple as acting like a businessman in charge of a company,

If that. Trump thought it would be as simple as getting the right gesture for his line in the boardroom, "you're fired."

Trump really does think governing can be solved by media management. He thinks, for example, that he can sell a few extra border patrols and a fence as a Mexican Wall. He did, after all, sell the "solution" of the Mexican Wall in the first place - walling off a border when 60% of illegal immigrants in the US arrive by plane.

As for getting Mexico to pay for it, he never intended to carry that one out. I doubt Trump ever thought he'd be elected. Trump's tilt for the White House was not a plan to get into government and put actual policies into effect.It was a plan to get the Trump name out there and create an audience for his new media plans.

Trump's method in business has been to let others take care of the details and get the promotional strategy happening. His business itself has never been about actual products as such. Trump doesn't have a passion for gambling, for example - he says he's never gambled in his life. What Trump sells is himself. Even his grandiose plans to "transform the Manhattan skyline" were about immortalizing Donald Trump with phallic monuments to the Trump ego.

Trump sees the presidency in the same vein: a strategy to sell the Trump brand. Trump will make a few token efforts to achieve his election commitments, but he doesn't have the patience policy requires. The biggest worry, of course, is what Trump would do in a crisis. How would Trump respond, for example, to the Russian invasion of one of its former satellites? How would Trump respond to the invasion of a NATO-aligned country?

This isn't a hypothetical suggestion, it's the very reason Putin sought to get Trump elected. Putin plans to get the USSR back, and he wants a bigger presence in the Middle East. Putin's war against the Clintons is payback for their involvement in freezing Russia out in the 1990s.

On the other front, how would Trump respond to an Asian embrace of China? Duterte has already kicked the US out in the Philippines - what would happen if South East Asian countries followed like dominoes? Not only does Trump have no idea of US foreign policy on China, he has no advisors to help him. Bannon might have a few globalist theories, but he has no direction. Trump's other source of advice, Fox News, has no clear policy either, apart from Murdoch's Chinese business interests.

The Trump administration is in very deep water. So far, it has not shown its ability to learn, it has only shown its increased ineptitude. If ever there was a good time for an enemy to strike, this would be it.

look at yourself, a supposed expert on current republican foreign policy. yet, silent when obama was killing middle easterners left, right and centre.

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Reply #71 - Mar 7^th, 2017 at 9:07am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 10:40pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:11pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:05pm:

Trump has since left the White House for his Florida resort, Mar a Lago Trump has left the business of governing as well. With the exception of his speech to Congress, Trump's work as president has consisted solely of Tweets in the early hours of the morning.

This was bound to happen. You can't teach a 70 year old dog like Trump new tricks. He's already learned that government is too hard, and he hasn't even got to the tricky part yet: negotiating bills through congress and the senate.

It seems like he thought it would be as simple as acting like a businessman in charge of a company,

If that. Trump thought it would be as simple as getting the right gesture for his line in the boardroom, "you're fired."

Trump really does think governing can be solved by media management. He thinks, for example, that he can sell a few extra border patrols and a fence as a Mexican Wall. He did, after all, sell the "solution" of the Mexican Wall in the first place - walling off a border when 60% of illegal immigrants in the US arrive by plane.

As for getting Mexico to pay for it, he never intended to carry that one out. I doubt Trump ever thought he'd be elected. Trump's tilt for the White House was not a plan to get into government and put actual policies into effect.It was a plan to get the Trump name out there and create an audience for his new media plans.

Trump's method in business has been to let others take care of the details and get the promotional strategy happening. His business itself has never been about actual products as such. Trump doesn't have a passion for gambling, for example - he says he's never gambled in his life. What Trump sells is himself. Even his grandiose plans to "transform the Manhattan skyline" were about immortalizing Donald Trump with phallic monuments to the Trump ego.

Trump sees the presidency in the same vein: a strategy to sell the Trump brand. Trump will make a few token efforts to achieve his election commitments, but he doesn't have the patience policy requires. The biggest worry, of course, is what Trump would do in a crisis. How would Trump respond, for example, to the Russian invasion of one of its former satellites? How would Trump respond to the invasion of a NATO-aligned country?

This isn't a hypothetical suggestion, it's the very reason Putin sought to get Trump elected. Putin plans to get the USSR back, and he wants a bigger presence in the Middle East. Putin's war against the Clintons is payback for their involvement in freezing Russia out in the 1990s.

On the other front, how would Trump respond to an Asian embrace of China? Duterte has already kicked the US out in the Philippines - what would happen if South East Asian countries followed like dominoes? Not only does Trump have no idea of US foreign policy on China, he has no advisors to help him. Bannon might have a few globalist theories, but he has no direction. Trump's other source of advice, Fox News, has no clear policy either, apart from Murdoch's Chinese business interests.

The Trump administration is in very deep water. So far, it has not shown its ability to learn, it has only shown its increased ineptitude. If ever there was a good time for an enemy to strike, this would be it.

look at yourself, a supposed expert on current republican foreign policy. yet, silent when obama was killing middle easterners left, right and centre.

SO your argument essentially is that because the last guy was bad, theres no way the current guy can be that bad?

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #72 - Mar 7^th, 2017 at 9:09am

What Trump is betting on with his 'wire tapping' fiasco is his faith in the power of bullshit, of which he is a master...

If his supporters have acquired a taste for bullshit, which it appears they have, it doesn't need to be true, it just needs to be out there.

Because, well, you can't prove a negative... So, the best position any truth teller can reach is that there is no evidence of wire-tapping nor any warrant to allow it...

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Reply #74 - Mar 7^th, 2017 at 10:25am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 10:40pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:11pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 1:05pm:

Trump has since left the White House for his Florida resort, Mar a Lago Trump has left the business of governing as well. With the exception of his speech to Congress, Trump's work as president has consisted solely of Tweets in the early hours of the morning.

This was bound to happen. You can't teach a 70 year old dog like Trump new tricks. He's already learned that government is too hard, and he hasn't even got to the tricky part yet: negotiating bills through congress and the senate.

It seems like he thought it would be as simple as acting like a businessman in charge of a company,

If that. Trump thought it would be as simple as getting the right gesture for his line in the boardroom, "you're fired."

Trump really does think governing can be solved by media management. He thinks, for example, that he can sell a few extra border patrols and a fence as a Mexican Wall. He did, after all, sell the "solution" of the Mexican Wall in the first place - walling off a border when 60% of illegal immigrants in the US arrive by plane.

As for getting Mexico to pay for it, he never intended to carry that one out. I doubt Trump ever thought he'd be elected. Trump's tilt for the White House was not a plan to get into government and put actual policies into effect.It was a plan to get the Trump name out there and create an audience for his new media plans.

Trump's method in business has been to let others take care of the details and get the promotional strategy happening. His business itself has never been about actual products as such. Trump doesn't have a passion for gambling, for example - he says he's never gambled in his life. What Trump sells is himself. Even his grandiose plans to "transform the Manhattan skyline" were about immortalizing Donald Trump with phallic monuments to the Trump ego.

Trump sees the presidency in the same vein: a strategy to sell the Trump brand. Trump will make a few token efforts to achieve his election commitments, but he doesn't have the patience policy requires. The biggest worry, of course, is what Trump would do in a crisis. How would Trump respond, for example, to the Russian invasion of one of its former satellites? How would Trump respond to the invasion of a NATO-aligned country?

This isn't a hypothetical suggestion, it's the very reason Putin sought to get Trump elected. Putin plans to get the USSR back, and he wants a bigger presence in the Middle East. Putin's war against the Clintons is payback for their involvement in freezing Russia out in the 1990s.

On the other front, how would Trump respond to an Asian embrace of China? Duterte has already kicked the US out in the Philippines - what would happen if South East Asian countries followed like dominoes? Not only does Trump have no idea of US foreign policy on China, he has no advisors to help him. Bannon might have a few globalist theories, but he has no direction. Trump's other source of advice, Fox News, has no clear policy either, apart from Murdoch's Chinese business interests.

The Trump administration is in very deep water. So far, it has not shown its ability to learn, it has only shown its increased ineptitude. If ever there was a good time for an enemy to strike, this would be it.

look at yourself, a supposed expert on current republican foreign policy.

With the exception of broad brush-strokes, foreign policy in the US is rarely party-political. Representatives and senators are not required to vote along party lines.

Bush's neo-conservative foreign agenda was not just Republican, just as Trump's isolationist/protectionist ideas are not Republican. These are ideas about the US' place in the world. They transcend party platforms.

Foreign policy often does.

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