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Fact check on Trump's Congress speech
Mar 1st, 2017 at 10:58pm
 
Here is a fact check on some of the President's claims.

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Since my election, Ford, Fiat-Chrysler, General Motors, Sprint, Softbank, Lockheed, Intel, Walmart, and many others, have announced that they will invest billions of dollars in the United States and will create tens of thousands of new American jobs.


Trump takes credit for business decisions made before his election.

Ford’s decision to abandon its plans to open a factory in Mexico and instead expand its Michigan plant has more to do with the company’s long-term goal — particularly its plans to invest in electric vehicles — than with the administration. Ford chief executive Mark Fields said about the company’s decision to abandon plans to open a factory in Mexico: “The reason that we are not building the new plant, the primary reason, is just demand has gone down for small cars.”

Sergio Marchionne, the Fiat Chrysler chief executive, said his company’s plan to invest $1 billion for a factory in Michigan had been in the works for more than a year and had nothing to do with Trump. Marchionne credited instead talks with the United Auto Workers.

Japanese company SoftBank announced its $100 billion technology investment fund three weeks before the U.S. elections, when Trump faced a narrow path to victory. After a December 2016 meeting with then-President-Elect Trump, SoftBank announced $50 billion would go to the United States. But the United States outpaces all other countries in venture capital investments, and it is questionable that none of the $100 billion would have gone to the vibrant and promising tech industry in America — regardless of whether Trump was elected.

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We’ve saved taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars by bringing down the price of the fantastic new F-35 jet fighter, and will be saving billions more dollars on contracts all across our government.


Trump once again takes credit for the lowered cost of the F-35 program. The Pentagon had announced cost reductions of roughly $600 million before Trump began meeting with Lockheed Martin’s chief executive. Sometimes Trump says he saved $600 million, other times $700 million.

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We have cleared the way for the construction of the Keystone and Dakota Access Pipelines — thereby creating tens of thousands of jobs — and I’ve issued a new directive that new American pipelines be made with American steel.


Trump appears to be combining two disputed figures — 28,000 jobs for Keystone XL and 12,000 for the Dakota Access pipeline. The actual number of Keystone construction jobs, for instance, is 3,900 on an annualized basis — and other jobs have already been created (such as for building high-strength line pipe.) In the context of the U.S. economy, which just in January added 230,000 jobs, these are not many jobs.

As for the steel, workers in Arkansas have already built about half of the high-strength line pipe needed for the project, some 333,000 tons. TransCanada said in 2013 that it had already purchased all of the steel pipe it needed for the Keystone XL, with the rest coming from a Russian-owned plant in Canada, Italy and India. Experts say the plant in Arkansas (owned by an Indian company) is the only one in the U.S. that could build the pipe — and it gets its steel from India.

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America has spent approximately $6 trillion in the Middle East, all this while our infrastructure at home is crumbling. With this $6 trillion we could have rebuilt our country — twice.


Trump often incorrectly claims that the United States spent $6 trillion on the wars in the Middle East, and here he uses it in a particularly misleading way. The wars in Iraq (in the Middle East) and Afghanistan (in South Asia) together cost about $1.6 trillion from 2001 to 2014.

The $6 trillion-figure adds in estimates of future spending, such as interest on the debt and veterans care for the next three decades. Yet Trump says that this money (not yet spent) could have rebuilt the U.S. economy.
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Re: Fact check on Trump's Congress speech
Reply #1 - Mar 1st, 2017 at 11:06pm
 
A couple more reported by USA Today...

    Trump said “94 million Americans are out of the labor force,” a figure that includes the retired, college students and stay-at-home parents. The vast majority — 88.5 million — said they didn’t want a job.

    Trump said he would “promote clean air and clean water,” a vague claim that came hours after he had signed an executive order to roll back a 2015 “Clean Water Rule.”


Another watch point - “The time for trivial fights is over”... So, no more crazed 3:00AM tweets then?

No mention of the ending of his compulsive lying... Maybe he's saving that one for next year.
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Re: Fact check on Trump's Congress speech
Reply #2 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 3:14am
 
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Re: Fact check on Trump's Congress speech
Reply #3 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 7:36am
 
Marla wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 3:14am:

And then there's this - the other 4 dozen Trump lies..

For all his playing nice and rational on Tuesday, he was the man who drove the 'birther' movement...

So let's not prostrate ourselves to Yahweh, Shiva or Allah in gratitude for Trump's 1 hour speech that didn't beg us to clench our sphincters just yet...

After all, we've all seen those youtube clips of animals aping human behaviour...

Like the neurotic orangutan in some zoo in South America that appears to play the bongos...

Every few hours he plays in tune to DAYO and all the zoo staff get up and shimmy round the park, overcome by the sudden apparent musicality of an otherwise aggressive animated mass of orange hair who, for a brief moment, isn't just banging on a tin or flinging his feces.
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Re: Fact check on Trump's Congress speech
Reply #4 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:04am
 
Lies, schmies.

If you're in politics then telling whoppers is all part of keeping the electorate happy.

Historians of the future will devote a small footnote about any exaggerations Trump might be indulging in, but their main and overwhelming focus will be about in what ways the Trump administration changed the political landscape, effected the economy, rescued the US from debt, improved the lot of ordinary Americans, dealt with immigration fraud, improved homeland security, cracked down on crime, and assisted the business community to grow and prosper and employ more people.

Little porkies and his posturing will count as nothing against these more substantive considerations.

Did you know that Mia Farrow (who?) is not too enamoured with Trump? Yep. It's on the Channel Nine online news service. Mia Farrow. Bet you were all bustin' to know what Mia Farrow has been thinking about Trump. The Channel Nine News Desk Knows What Their Public Wants to Hear.

Mia Farrow. Political commentator extraordinaire.

Next we'll be hearing from Kim Kardashian. Sourced from Twitter. Channel Nine news service. Seriously.

( Grin Memories. I once shared a psychiatric ward with this poor young fellow who worked for Channel Nine as a floor general hand, and apparently he managed to trip on a cable that pulled a plug out of its socket that caused pandemonium in the studio. I don't know why he ended up in the ward, but he must have gone ballistic at the Channel Nine studios for some reason - maybe they sacked him).
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Reply #5 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:28am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:04am:
( Grin Memories. I once shared a psychiatric ward with this poor young fellow who worked for Channel Nine as a floor general hand, and apparently he managed to trip on a cable that pulled a plug out of its socket that caused pandemonium in the studio. I don't know why he ended up in the ward, but he must have gone ballistic at the Channel Nine studios for some reason - maybe they sacked him).

And you ended up in the ward because?
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Re: Fact check on Trump's Congress speech
Reply #6 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:32am
 
the only fact we need to check is that Donald is the POTUS.
this fact is undeniable.

go and work in your business , safe in the knowledge that a strong set of hands are now at the helm.  and thats a fact  Wink
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Re: Fact check on Trump's Congress speech
Reply #7 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:36am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:28am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:04am:
( Grin Memories. I once shared a psychiatric ward with this poor young fellow who worked for Channel Nine as a floor general hand, and apparently he managed to trip on a cable that pulled a plug out of its socket that caused pandemonium in the studio. I don't know why he ended up in the ward, but he must have gone ballistic at the Channel Nine studios for some reason - maybe they sacked him).

And you ended up in the ward because?


He is still in there some say!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Fact check on Trump's Congress speech
Reply #8 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:42am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 11:06pm:
A couple more reported by USA Today...

    Trump said “94 million Americans are out of the labor force,” a figure that includes the retired, college students and stay-at-home parents. The vast majority — 88.5 million — said they didn’t want a job.

    Trump said he would “promote clean air and clean water,” a vague claim that came hours after he had signed an executive order to roll back a 2015 “Clean Water Rule.”


Another watch point - “The time for trivial fights is over”... So, no more crazed 3:00AM tweets then?

No mention of the ending of his compulsive lying... Maybe he's saving that one for next year.



And yet all you Eeyors and yeah-but-no-but hand-wringers are fracked into oblivion. That is what matters.

It will take you years to reckognise what has actually happened and until then you will remain irrelevant and beside the point. Sniping at Trump is just missing the point entirly - but that is all you have. And it will take you a long time yet to get that. That is why he is president - you guys do not learn.



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Reply #9 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:45am
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:32am:
go and work in your business , safe in the knowledge that a strong set of hands are now at the helm.  and thats a fact  Wink

He's got his small hands on something... That's a fact...

'Helm'??? Is that what they're calling it now?
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Re: Fact check on Trump's Congress speech
Reply #10 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:52am
 
Line from 'Barefoot in the Park'

Jane Fonda to Robert Redford:

Corie Bratter: You know what you are, Paul? You're a watcher. There are watchers in this world and there are doers. And the watchers sit around watching the doers, do. Well, tonight you watched, and I did

Donald Trump is the doer and all the crows on the fence whingeing and whining are the watchers..they are the ones who contribute nothing but vilify those who do




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Re: Fact check on Trump's Congress speech
Reply #11 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:03am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:28am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:04am:
( Grin Memories. I once shared a psychiatric ward with this poor young fellow who worked for Channel Nine as a floor general hand, and apparently he managed to trip on a cable that pulled a plug out of its socket that caused pandemonium in the studio. I don't know why he ended up in the ward, but he must have gone ballistic at the Channel Nine studios for some reason - maybe they sacked him).

And you ended up in the ward because?


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Re: Fact check on Trump's Congress speech
Reply #12 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:05am
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:36am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:28am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:04am:
( Grin Memories. I once shared a psychiatric ward with this poor young fellow who worked for Channel Nine as a floor general hand, and apparently he managed to trip on a cable that pulled a plug out of its socket that caused pandemonium in the studio. I don't know why he ended up in the ward, but he must have gone ballistic at the Channel Nine studios for some reason - maybe they sacked him).

And you ended up in the ward because?


He is still in there some say!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Grin Grin Grin

There's an element of truth in that, except the walls aren't padded here at home.
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Re: Fact check on Trump's Congress speech
Reply #13 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:05am
 
red baron wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:52am:
Line from 'Barefoot in the Park'

Jane Fonda to Robert Redford:

Corie Bratter: You know what you are, Paul? You're a watcher. There are watchers in this world and there are doers. And the watchers sit around watching the doers, do. Well, tonight you watched, and I did

Donald Trump is the doer and all the crows on the fence whingeing and whining are the watchers..they are the ones who contribute nothing but vilify those who do






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Re: Fact check on Trump's Congress speech
Reply #14 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:29am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:04am:
Mia Farrow. Political commentator extraordinaire.

She's as qualified as Trump is.

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:04am:
Next we'll be hearing from Kim Kardashian. Sourced from Twitter. 

Trump tweets = good!

Anyone else tweets = bad?

Get your hand off it, Herbie.



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