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Reply #60 - Mar 5^th, 2017 at 6:16pm

Frank wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

There's a major difference between aborigines are lazy (which may cause offence) COMPARED TO aborigines have the skin colour of pooh (racism). Causing offence is a big area. 18c is a joke.

It's not for the law to decide what is offensive to whom. It is not for the law to control one's views and opinions and how they are communicated. If an opion or view is wrong it must be refuted, not suppressed.

It is, you know. In both civil and criminal jurisdictions.

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Reply #61 - Mar 5^th, 2017 at 6:50pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

There's a major difference between aborigines are lazy (which may cause offence) COMPARED TO aborigines have the skin colour of pooh (racism). Causing offence is a big area. 18c is a joke.

It's not for the law to decide what is offensive to whom. It is not for the law to control one's views and opinions and how they are communicated. If an opion or view is wrong it must be refuted, not suppressed.

It is, you know. In both civil and criminal jurisdictions.

It is a sad fkking existence when fkken feelings need to be protected by legislation; no wonder there is so much hatred for lawyers and pollies.

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Re: Does freedom of speech give us the right to offen
Reply #62 - Mar 5^th, 2017 at 6:56pm

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 6:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

There's a major difference between aborigines are lazy (which may cause offence) COMPARED TO aborigines have the skin colour of pooh (racism). Causing offence is a big area. 18c is a joke.

It's not for the law to decide what is offensive to whom. It is not for the law to control one's views and opinions and how they are communicated. If an opion or view is wrong it must be refuted, not suppressed.

It is, you know. In both civil and criminal jurisdictions.

It is a sad fkking existence when fkken feelings need to be protected by legislation; no wonder there is so much hatred for lawyers and pollies.

'Feelings' are not protected at all. Character is in the civil jurisdiction. That's also the case in criminal jurisdiction......and abuse (provocation) gives rise to a defence on some charges.

No-one gets to say whatever they please about whomever they please wherever they please....even if 18C never existed.

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Re: Does freedom of speech give us the right to offen
Reply #63 - Mar 5^th, 2017 at 8:30pm

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 4:28pm:

Raven wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.

It just means the government can't stop you from saying it.

Say what you want be be prepared to be held accountable for what you say.

So long it is true there should be not a single thing stopping you from saying, even if it hurts someone's feelings

The victim industry might not be happy but fkk 'em

That's the thing there is.nothing stopping you from saying something but there are consequences for what you say.

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Re: Does freedom of speech give us the right to offen
Reply #64 - Mar 5^th, 2017 at 9:05pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

There's a major difference between aborigines are lazy (which may cause offence) COMPARED TO aborigines have the skin colour of pooh (racism). Causing offence is a big area. 18c is a joke.

It's not for the law to decide what is offensive to whom. It is not for the law to control one's views and opinions and how they are communicated. If an opion or view is wrong it must be refuted, not suppressed.

It is, you know. In both civil and criminal jurisdictions.

Because of sad, developmentally stunted bedwetters like you. You are every totalitarian's dream: you can't outsource your thinking fast enough to some big PC daddy because you dread thinking for yourself in case your betters - ie the rest of the world - disapprove.

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Re: Does freedom of speech give us the right to offen
Reply #65 - Mar 5^th, 2017 at 9:26pm

Frank wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

There's a major difference between aborigines are lazy (which may cause offence) COMPARED TO aborigines have the skin colour of pooh (racism). Causing offence is a big area. 18c is a joke.

It's not for the law to decide what is offensive to whom. It is not for the law to control one's views and opinions and how they are communicated. If an opion or view is wrong it must be refuted, not suppressed.

It is, you know. In both civil and criminal jurisdictions.

Because of sad, developmentally stunted bedwetters like you. You are every totalitarian's dream: you can't outsource your thinking fast enough to some big PC daddy because you dread thinking for yourself in case your betters - ie the rest of the world - disapprove.

Tsk, tsk, more resorting to ad hominem instead of substance in your argument, Soren? One could mistake you for a schoolboy, the way you phrase your answers. You know, a schoolboy who knows he's lost the argument already. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Does freedom of speech give us the right to offen
Reply #66 - Mar 5^th, 2017 at 9:26pm

Frank wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

There's a major difference between aborigines are lazy (which may cause offence) COMPARED TO aborigines have the skin colour of pooh (racism). Causing offence is a big area. 18c is a joke.

It's not for the law to decide what is offensive to whom. It is not for the law to control one's views and opinions and how they are communicated. If an opion or view is wrong it must be refuted, not suppressed.

It is, you know. In both civil and criminal jurisdictions.

Because of sad, developmentally stunted bedwetters like you. You are every totalitarian's dream: you can't outsource your thinking fast enough to some big PC daddy because you dread thinking for yourself in case your betters - ie the rest of the world - disapprove.

Gee, terrific rebuttal of the point right there, Soren. Great work!

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Re: Does freedom of speech give us the right to offen
Reply #67 - Mar 5^th, 2017 at 9:35pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 9:26pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

There's a major difference between aborigines are lazy (which may cause offence) COMPARED TO aborigines have the skin colour of pooh (racism). Causing offence is a big area. 18c is a joke.

It's not for the law to decide what is offensive to whom. It is not for the law to control one's views and opinions and how they are communicated. If an opion or view is wrong it must be refuted, not suppressed.

It is, you know. In both civil and criminal jurisdictions.

Because of sad, developmentally stunted bedwetters like you. You are every totalitarian's dream: you can't outsource your thinking fast enough to some big PC daddy because you dread thinking for yourself in case your betters - ie the rest of the world - disapprove.

Gee, terrific rebuttal of the point right there, Soren. Great work!

Thanks. I am sure you don't get it but as I said you defer. That's who you are.

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Re: Does freedom of speech give us the right to offen
Reply #69 - Mar 6^th, 2017 at 6:23am

Raven wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 4:28pm:

Raven wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.

It just means the government can't stop you from saying it.

Say what you want be be prepared to be held accountable for what you say.

So long it is true there should be not a single thing stopping you from saying, even if it hurts someone's feelings

The victim industry might not be happy but fkk 'em

That's the thing there is.nothing stopping you from saying something but there are consequences for what you say.

What should be the consequences for 'hurting someones feelings'?

Im not talking about inciting hatred, libel, slander or anything like that, just the act of hurting someone feelings.

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Re: Does freedom of speech give us the right to offen
Reply #70 - Mar 6^th, 2017 at 6:56am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 9:26pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

There's a major difference between aborigines are lazy (which may cause offence) COMPARED TO aborigines have the skin colour of pooh (racism). Causing offence is a big area. 18c is a joke.

It's not for the law to decide what is offensive to whom. It is not for the law to control one's views and opinions and how they are communicated. If an opion or view is wrong it must be refuted, not suppressed.

It is, you know. In both civil and criminal jurisdictions.

Because of sad, developmentally stunted bedwetters like you. You are every totalitarian's dream: you can't outsource your thinking fast enough to some big PC daddy because you dread thinking for yourself in case your betters - ie the rest of the world - disapprove.

Tsk, tsk, more resorting to ad hominem instead of substance in your argument, Soren? One could mistake you for a schoolboy, the way you phrase your answers. You know, a schoolboy who knows he's lost the argument already. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

More flaming and ad hom from the King of Ad Hom.... well done bwian.

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Re: Does freedom of speech give us the right to offen
Reply #71 - Mar 6^th, 2017 at 7:00am

mothra wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 5:09pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

There's a major difference between aborigines are lazy (which may cause offence) COMPARED TO aborigines have the skin colour of pooh (racism). Causing offence is a big area. 18c is a joke.

Both of those comments are racist.

Not really none comment on the superiority or inferiority of a race compared to another or the person making the comment.
One is a generalisation the other is simply a poor description. Poo comes in many colours.

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Re: Does freedom of speech give us the right to offen
Reply #72 - Mar 6^th, 2017 at 5:30pm

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 6:23am:

Raven wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 4:28pm:

Raven wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.

It just means the government can't stop you from saying it.

Say what you want be be prepared to be held accountable for what you say.

So long it is true there should be not a single thing stopping you from saying, even if it hurts someone's feelings

The victim industry might not be happy but fkk 'em

That's the thing there is.nothing stopping you from saying something but there are consequences for what you say.

What should be the consequences for 'hurting someones feelings'?

Because the law allows it, Bigol64. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Does freedom of speech give us the right to offen
Reply #73 - Mar 6^th, 2017 at 8:55pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 5:30pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 6:23am:

Raven wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 4:28pm:

Raven wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.

It just means the government can't stop you from saying it.

Say what you want be be prepared to be held accountable for what you say.

So long it is true there should be not a single thing stopping you from saying, even if it hurts someone's feelings

The victim industry might not be happy but fkk 'em

That's the thing there is.nothing stopping you from saying something but there are consequences for what you say.

What should be the consequences for 'hurting someones feelings'?

Because the law allows it, Bigol64. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

The law is an ass like you, Brian.

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Re: Does freedom of speech give us the right to offen
Reply #74 - Mar 6^th, 2017 at 9:37pm

Frank wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 8:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 5:30pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2017 at 6:23am:

Raven wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 4:28pm:

Raven wrote on Mar 5^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.

It just means the government can't stop you from saying it.

Say what you want be be prepared to be held accountable for what you say.

So long it is true there should be not a single thing stopping you from saying, even if it hurts someone's feelings

The victim industry might not be happy but fkk 'em

That's the thing there is.nothing stopping you from saying something but there are consequences for what you say.

What should be the consequences for 'hurting someones feelings'?

Because the law allows it, Bigol64. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

The law is an ass like you, Brian.

I am a donkey? Tsk, tsk, please, leave your predilection for bestiality out of our discussions, Soren. Roll Eyes

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