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Hilarious... 

filthy liars should be nowhere near the White House.. 

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 25^th, 2017 at 8:36am:


Do you honestly believe that though?

I'll be the first to admit that my sarcasm detector has been thrown totally out of whack with those defending Trump.  It's impossible to tell the truly stupid from those in it for the lulz.

Trump wants a compliant media, he's been laying the groundwork for this for years. 

If you are serious, claiming that you take issue with those outlets because they're "lying" is a bit rich. 

Given that would imply a total and utter devotion to Trump and his version of reality (aka, his lies), you've been trampled by your "honesty high horse" long ago.

John Smith wrote on Feb 25^th, 2017 at 8:59am:


I won't pretend that Trump has does anything to earn my support, mostly the opposite.  He drew a line in the sand of what was unacceptable for a candidate when it comes to the Oval Office during the campaign when facing off against Clinton, but he's crossed that line by leaps and bounds assuming he was ever on the other side of it to begin with, since taking office.

Let's look at what that actually means. By his own standards he's unfit for office.  Let that sink in for a sec.

And that is even before taking into account his pre-political life.  He is one of the least deserving people of respect, unless you see Trump the man, or even Trump the President, as being the same as the character of "Trump" from The Apprentice, or the Trump from the Battle of the Billionaires in the WWE.

There is more to him, more to any man, than where they are at any given point in time.  Their worth and their status is defined more by the path they've taken, not the destination they've found themselves at.

It says a lot that many who do business with Trump, only do it once.  It says a lot that those who share the same sort of financial status as him (or at least the status he claims to have, which is a huge tell as to the real reason he doesn't want to release his tax returns, but I digress) with him distance themselves from him, unless they think they can exploit him to further their own gains.

And let's be clear, it doesn't seem hard given his thin skin.  A well places blow to the ego while hinting that what ever outcome benefits you the most then pulling that trigger would be enough to make him squeal what ever song you want. 

tl:dr, I don't support Trump, but rightfully so.  To that, I'm also open to changing that should he earn that right. 

But, that's irrelevant here. He's setting precedents that might be fine to his supporters while he's in charge, but imagine if Hillary was acting this way, or this was happening under Obama?

What happens when the next Democratic President starts blocking the media, openly lying to the people then attacking those that call them out for it or start using all the various tools of control that Trump is trying to setup?

The current Trump supporters will be furious, but it will be too late by then.  Trump is lowering the bar far deeper than many thought possible, but it's not ringing alarm bells for his supporters, it's not even altering the needle on the dial, it's just being dismissed as fake news.

For those who don't support Trump, they're living this reality now.  Trump supporters should take note of these peoples' outrage because once the tables are turned it'll be how they feel, but there will be nothing they can do then. 

But instead, they're just attacking these people, talking about tissues, snowflakes, cucks, whatever insult they can think of.  Little do they realise they're hurting themselves just as much, if not more by not only defending these actions by Trump, not only by supporting them, but attacking and dismissing any of the legitimate concerns people have.

It's uninformed, short sighted and idiotic.

Some things surpass left vs right, liberal vs conservative, reality vs Trump, this is one of those times.

The problem is, those who support Trump wholeheartedly are totally oblivious to this, be it willful ignorance, some sort of stupid sense of pride and stubbornness making them incapable of admitting a mistake with their devotion to Trump, or they may just be unable to comprehend the gravity of the situation.

Trump has the chance to be different from those who have been President before him and so far he is being different, but that's only because his supporters have decieded that because in their eyes he "not a politician" or not part of the "establishment" that a different set of rules apply to him.  Any compromise on that would show weakness on their part.

Trump has made it clear what he thinks about weakness or not winning, so his supporters will never question him.  It's like a feedback loop of idiocy.

But as for a different set of rules for him, that not be the case.  He like those who came before him and especially those who come after him, should be held to a higher standard than their predecessors, not the other way around.

Trump has been a combo breaker in more ways than one, but none have been positive.

Big on Promises, short on the "hows" both in terms of delivery and goal posts to claim success or failure.  He's playing out his Presidency as what the country can do for him, not the other way around.

It's scary that people can be so disenfranchised by those who've held the Oval Office before him that they're willing to let him tank the country for a chance at something different.

And now he wants to do that with even less accountability? 

No flapping thanks.

/rant

Buzzfeed does need to die.

Trump is way over the top with his criticism of the media.

And it is a worry.

However he can get away with it because the media is not squeaky clean.

Like a lot of big lies, there needs to be some grain of truth that people latch onto

Who's this Sad kangaroo fella?

Turns up a few weeks ago, posts only about Trump, hammers exactly the same verbose, BS points as any given media outlet....

Verdict: Shill

CNNN, they might have to go back to the drawing board, Trump wins that round too.

... wrote on Feb 25^th, 2017 at 1:20pm:


Now that I’ve got the “twitter length response” reply out of the way since my long posts seem too much for you, here is the actual answer.

We all need an outlet, I've chosen to step from outside of the standard centrist forums I more regularly visit and found here.  I can’t very well expect others to step out of their echo chambers and get some perspective if I’m not willing to do the same.

To my surprise what I was expecting to be an educated forum about politics turns out is the stomping ground of apparently (judging by the overwhelming majority of posts) angry right-wingers and conservatives talking bullshit without any facts or evidence to back up their beliefs then attacking and trying to undermine those who question their narrative, such as you've tried to do to me.

"Shill" me all you want, just like mine, your opinion just that, an anonymous opinion posted on an online forum.  I won't weigh mine higher, although yours does seem to be one based on an emotional response rather than any actual observation.  Angry snowflake territory and all. 

Truth is I've just been shocked into caring about international politics because of the bizarre rise of Donald Trump but more so the rise of right-wing populism. 

And I say bizarre because the truth is, this "new" right wing populism that's sweeping the planet at the moment is exactly the same as the old right wing, those involved have just managed to con people into thinking that the "everyday man" is who they are governing for.

It's been mostly spurred by the political and generational cycles coming back to "it's all immigrants faults".  As last time, when the focus is only put on immigration and the problems we face don't magically go away like is claimed, the shock of realisation will continue the cycle going until this all happens again and again, over and over.

With the "new" right wing, it's still big business, their donors, their mates, small Government, cut all regulation, red and green tape, the private sector do it better, survival of the fittest (aka most corrupt at the expense of those doing the right thing) nonsense it's always been.

The majority of those who support it locally and abroad are fighting against their own best interests without even realising it.  Some will wise up and educate themselves, others are too stubborn or afraid to admit they may have made a mistake and will not change their spots.

I used to be very ultra-liberal (little L) in my youth, then after building up and running many businesses over the years, starting from nothing, I’ve drifted much closer to the centre. 

It’s easy when you have nothing to demand that those with more pay more for everyone else, but when you get an actual idea of the blood sweat and tears it can take to make something of and for yourself while employing people around you and helping them rise up, it can change that outlook. 

It’s something that is very hard to see when you’ve got nothing, but I digress.

The point is, I’ve grown and changed, both by stepping out of the echo chambers I was at times unaware I was even in and by my point of view changing throughout life.

From posters like you, I don’t get a hint of that ever being possible.  You seem happy with your beliefs and are willing to defend them by attack those who disagree, rather than engaging with them in debate.

We need a healthy left and right wing otherwise there's no hope of flying straight.  Under Trump he's paving the way to do away with that balance but not with a a simple lurch to the right, but a lurch to "lord Trump".

And he's doing that to one of the most powerful nations in the world meaning it will impact us locally too.

Sure, you might be used to a couple of 140 character tweets, and yes I am long winded, but I like to get my point across to those who are taking the time to read what I've posted (and I think them for it).

But as usual, rather than address the on-topic concerns of others you'll attack those you disagree with, attempt to discredit them, insult them and try to go off topic.  Well done.

You're doing your reddit and 4chan brethren proud.