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‘DESTABILIZATION CAMPAIGN’ Against Team Trump (Read 3216 times)
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Re: ‘DESTABILIZATION CAMPAIGN’ Against Team Trump
Reply #60 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:07pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 1:47pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 11:14am:
Big Donger wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 10:58am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 10:16am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 10:04am:
the destabilisation campaign started when trump announced he was running as a candidate. it didn't work back then and it won't work now.



LOL,


Anyone reading the comments of , say, pecca , would know that he is a confirmed and self - admitted liar.
So if a liar says bad things about Trump, that makes Trmp go up in a sane persons estimation.

the left are trumps best friends.

i think people like gweg are on his pay roll


True, Aquascoot. Trump's worst friends are those Republicans in congress and the senate - people like John McCain, who has a career's experience in defence, foreign policy and national security.

These Republicans want to see Trump come to his senses, but if he doesn't, will act in the interests of the US. If Trump is found to be acting in his own interests alone, he won't be supported by his party. If he's found to be acting on behalf of Putin, or the white supremacists, or his own business, they'll fight Trump hard. Many are already circling their wagons.



those republicans, of whom you speak, are still part of the mainstream narrative, the socially conditioning forces for groupthink.
everyone acts out of self interest.
they have their little pension plans and their mistresses and their yachts just like trump.

And they dont want anyone messing with the "status quo".

Now Trump has gone to a paradigm of personal development that is above these scrubby citizens.

he hwas overdosed on mistresses and yachts and the good life and realised it didnt fulfil him and now he has gone into "contribution".

he wants to "make america great" he says , and i actually believe him.

if he just wants to be a fat pedo as the left paint him, he would stay in the shadows.

so its not that...it cant be.

i would back his motives as more ethical then some career republican who is cosy in the current status quo.

only the superior man embraces chaos, embraces change, tears up the rule book .

all entrepreneurs know that you have to bend or break the rules to create something different (something better).
if you dont, there can be no progress.




I think his motives are more ethical then almost all other politicians and he is capable of getting things done.


Ethical hyperbole, eh? Alternative ethics.

He is capable of getting things done.

Ban them.
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Re: ‘DESTABILIZATION CAMPAIGN’ Against Team Trump
Reply #61 - Feb 18th, 2017 at 7:46am
 
... wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
"The chosen one" business is a bit too movie cliche for me, he's simply the first major politician to address the bigger issue that disenfranchises regular people from politics.

Maybe nothing will come from it, but if you don't give support, or actively undermine him while he is facing immensely powerful enemies, failure becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. 

Special treatment from whom?  The propaganda assault against him has certainly been the greatest I've ever seen, but you're not asking why.  Until you learn that the corporate media are not your
friends, that they only tell you want they want you to know, in the way they want you to know it, you're going to stay confused.   

One expects the propaganda arm of your enemy to attack the leader of a movement against it - that's exactly what they're supposed to do. 

It's when they don't attack that you worry, and they haven't let up for a minute.


Too movie cliche for you?  You just Blue Pill / Red Pilled me!?

(haha Cheesy)

So, you're giving him a change (aka, complete and unfettered support to the point of personally attacking his critics no matter how legitimate their questions/claims) because he's claiming that he'll do what no other politician has about the bigger issues that "the establishment" haven't solved?

It's a nice idea, but he isn't the first politician to claim he'll do so and he won't be the last, but that doesn't put him above criticism or above the law.

He is however when his past is taken into account one of the least likely people to be genuine in those claims, and it's truly frightening that people think he is.  He constantly exploits the people claiming to stand up for and has stacked his cabinet with people who care even less for then, then on top of that he's picked a political side and handed them the majority who care even less than that!

I know I'm full of questions, but would you by any chance be able to articulate what these issues are?

Like any leader, he needs to be held to account for his claims and promises before he took office.  For us to do that we need some context as to what the issues are and how he's proposed to fix them that has apparently gained your respect, so much so that you're turning a blind eye to so much of his conduct.

And as for special treatment, he has attacked and pissed off practically everyone over the years.  Every single President before him has been attacked by their enemies, be they political or otherwise and relentlessly so.  Trump was even one of those enemies to Obama and he did the same thing to Obama, lying about his birth cert etc for years.

It may seem worse for Trump but that's only because he's gone out of his way to make an enemy out of anyone who is of no use to him, and now that's coming back to hurt him.

Those chickens coming home to roost isn't any kind of defense for him either, it's yet more self inflicted and well deserved problems.

But the special treatment comes from him getting away with regular and repeated conduct that he said was unacceptable from his opponents, only he's dialed it up past 11 and surpassed even his doomsday fantasy predictions about them to make himself look good in comparison.

He has said and done things that would disqualify literally every single other eligible person for the oval office on the planet from the Presidency, yet his supporters wear said indiscretions as a badge of honour.  It's unprecedented and the epitome of special treatment.

Thanks to things like the Celebrity Apprentice and his apparent pandering if not close links to white supremacists, it's helped him gain this broad support of people who don't care what he does, they'll support him either because of his celebrity status, they think he'll make them "rich" like him, or the areas in which he'll "do what nobody has done before", which given many of it overlaps with what these white supremacists routinely meet about, again, for him to still be on the scene takes an enormous amount of special treatment and a different set of rules for him than everyone else.

I want him to be able to achieve his very broad and undefined goal of MAGA, but I am tentatively worried because nobody actually knows that that means.  It means different things to different people.

And that's a recipe for disaster.  It's almost like he's trying to start conflict on the world stage in order to sure up his support at home.
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Re: ‘DESTABILIZATION CAMPAIGN’ Against Team Trump
Reply #62 - Feb 19th, 2017 at 2:10am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 7:46am:
... wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
"The chosen one" business is a bit too movie cliche for me, he's simply the first major politician to address the bigger issue that disenfranchises regular people from politics.

Maybe nothing will come from it, but if you don't give support, or actively undermine him while he is facing immensely powerful enemies, failure becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. 

Special treatment from whom?  The propaganda assault against him has certainly been the greatest I've ever seen, but you're not asking why.  Until you learn that the corporate media are not your
friends, that they only tell you want they want you to know, in the way they want you to know it, you're going to stay confused.   

One expects the propaganda arm of your enemy to attack the leader of a movement against it - that's exactly what they're supposed to do. 

It's when they don't attack that you worry, and they haven't let up for a minute.


Too movie cliche for you?  You just Blue Pill / Red Pilled me!?

(haha Cheesy)

So, you're giving him a change (aka, complete and unfettered support to the point of personally attacking his critics no matter how legitimate their questions/claims) because he's claiming that he'll do what no other politician has about the bigger issues that "the establishment" haven't solved?

It's a nice idea, but he isn't the first politician to claim he'll do so and he won't be the last, but that doesn't put him above criticism or above the law.

He is however when his past is taken into account one of the least likely people to be genuine in those claims, and it's truly frightening that people think he is.  He constantly exploits the people claiming to stand up for and has stacked his cabinet with people who care even less for then, then on top of that he's picked a political side and handed them the majority who care even less than that!

I know I'm full of questions, but would you by any chance be able to articulate what these issues are?

Like any leader, he needs to be held to account for his claims and promises before he took office.  For us to do that we need some context as to what the issues are and how he's proposed to fix them that has apparently gained your respect, so much so that you're turning a blind eye to so much of his conduct.

And as for special treatment, he has attacked and pissed off practically everyone over the years.  Every single President before him has been attacked by their enemies, be they political or otherwise and relentlessly so.  Trump was even one of those enemies to Obama and he did the same thing to Obama, lying about his birth cert etc for years.

It may seem worse for Trump but that's only because he's gone out of his way to make an enemy out of anyone who is of no use to him, and now that's coming back to hurt him.

Those chickens coming home to roost isn't any kind of defense for him either, it's yet more self inflicted and well deserved problems.

But the special treatment comes from him getting away with regular and repeated conduct that he said was unacceptable from his opponents, only he's dialed it up past 11 and surpassed even his doomsday fantasy predictions about them to make himself look good in comparison.

He has said and done things that would disqualify literally every single other eligible person for the oval office on the planet from the Presidency, yet his supporters wear said indiscretions as a badge of honour.  It's unprecedented and the epitome of special treatment.

Thanks to things like the Celebrity Apprentice and his apparent pandering if not close links to white supremacists, it's helped him gain this broad support of people who don't care what he does, they'll support him either because of his celebrity status, they think he'll make them "rich" like him, or the areas in which he'll "do what nobody has done before", which given many of it overlaps with what these white supremacists routinely meet about, again, for him to still be on the scene takes an enormous amount of special treatment and a different set of rules for him than everyone else.

I want him to be able to achieve his very broad and undefined goal of MAGA, but I am tentatively worried because nobody actually knows that that means.  It means different things to different people.

And that's a recipe for disaster.  It's almost like he's trying to start conflict on the world stage in order to sure up his support at home.


Trust me.

Take the blue pill!
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Re: ‘DESTABILIZATION CAMPAIGN’ Against Team Trump
Reply #63 - Feb 19th, 2017 at 8:14pm
 
Richdude wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 2:10am:
Trust me.

Take the blue pill!


I don't think that's an option anymore, not now that we've all had the orange pill forced on us.
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