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Reply #30 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 4:55pm

This podcast is with Mike Baker, who is a former CIA operative.

He addresses the Russian hacking angle, basically he says "attempting to influence" elections has always been a feature in every election and is barely even noteworthy, but "hacking" the election is complete rubbish.

The media is attempting to conflate the two, to delegitimise Trumps presidency. As far as I'm concerned, the forgotten voters deserve to be heard, and the corporate powers who have screwed them down for decades deserve to be out in the cold, at least until they learn to play nice. They don't seem willing to play nice yet - don't make the mistake of thinking they are your friends. They're not your friends, they are your masters, and they're telling you to get back on the plantation.

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Reply #31 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 5:36pm

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Back on topic, even if everything Wikileaks is claiming is true, didn't we just come out of 8 years of the Republicans trying their hardest to undermine and weaken the Obama administration and more recently experience the Russian attempts to destablise the entire election process?

No, they didnt and this is why so many disgruntled voters turned out for Trump. The republucans, supposedly the opposition, gave obama pretty much everything he wanted, much to thr dismay of many of their voters. The factions of the republican party that were undermining trump.in the primaries were only nominally different from democrats, leaving a massive portion of the electorate feeling unrepresented and disgruntled. These were the forgotten ones who turned out for Trump.

But the old guard are not happy with them having found a voice - they liked it better when the two party charade was fully functional, so theyre now colluding across party lines, to screw the peasants back down and get the old monopoly back.

I remember hearing the exact same complainrs here, from people on both left and thd right, about how no matter which party wins, the people lose, so its with great bemusement that i now watch those same people becoming the staunchest defenders of the old system and praying for that situation to return. Its a little hard to respect people who have wished for an opportunity for so long, only to be too afraid to take it when it is offered.

how can you say that with a straight face? They blocked virtually everything including the SCOTUS nomination which was empty for over a year.

you are like trump. You just MAKE IT UP AS YOU Go and hope people wont notice.

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Reply #32 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 6:01pm

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"The President, I think, has become convinced that the economy is not likely to be much better a year from now, so he has started to campaign 13 months early, and he's trying to convince the American people that it's anybody else's fault but his that we're where we are." McConnell said.
It must be the fault of those Republicans in Congress. It must be the fault of those rich people. It must be the fault of those people on Wall Street. I don't think the American people are going to fall for it. He's been president now for three years -- for three years. We've run the national debt up 35 percent as he's tried to prime the pump and borrow and spend our way into prosperity. I think complaints about Congress fall on deaf ears. He owned the Congress for the first two years. They did everything he wanted. Everything. The only thing they forgot to do -- I don't know why they overlooked this -- they forgot to raise taxes. But they did everything else. They borrowed, they spent, they over-regulated. And all of those policies are in place and you can see how much it's done for the economy: 1.5 million jobs lost since the first stimulus. Now he's coming back and asking us to do it again. You all have heard this before, but it's one of my favorite sayings: At home we say, "there's no education the second kick of a mule." We've already done this. We tried it. It failed. So I know he's desperately interested in trying to blame anybody else. But he's the President of the United States. He set the agenda. He got everything he wanted. And it didn't work. And so I think next year the American people will have to decide whether they want more of the same, or whether they want to go in a different direction."

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Reply #34 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:10pm

I'm pretty sure you were one of these that I was talking about here karnal:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 5:36pm:

I remember hearing the exact same complaints here, from people on both left and the right, about how no matter which party wins, the people lose

Yet here you are, apparently denying that in a two party system, each party is just another side of the same coin. It applies to the situation in Australia just as much as in America.

If I'm mistaken, please say so.

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Reply #35 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:28pm

You're mistaken, Honky. In Amerika, people from both major parties hate Trump, and of course they would.

For the conservatives, Trump stands against conservative and family values, against both free trade and fiscal restraint, and against many parts of the constitution he's sworn in to defend. For the liberals, well - you know.

Trump's not on many people's dance cards, Honky. How can such a reviled and unpopular leader be expected to govern?

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Reply #36 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:35pm

Big Donger wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

You're mistaken, Honky. In Amerika, people from both major parties hate Trump, and of course they would.

For the conservatives, Trump stands against conservative and family values, against both free trade and fiscal restraint, and against many parts of the constitution he's sworn in to defend. For the liberals, well - you know.

Trump's not on many people's dance cards, Honky. How can such a reviled and unpopular leader be expected to govern?

Ahh but the key detail that you are omitting is that most PARTY PEOPLE are against him. You know, the rusted-on voters - the morons who get sold out time after time after time, only to line up and say "thank you sir, may I have another?" while everyone else realises the only way not to lose a rigged game is not to play, so they check out?

Well, those people are checking back in, they want Trump and they number enough to get him. The idiocracy took a major blow but the old powers needed idiots, and while there are quite a few lining up to do their bidding, people power won the day. The war is still on though - which side are you on?

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Reply #37 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:49pm

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Big Donger wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

You're mistaken, Honky. In Amerika, people from both major parties hate Trump, and of course they would.

For the conservatives, Trump stands against conservative and family values, against both free trade and fiscal restraint, and against many parts of the constitution he's sworn in to defend. For the liberals, well - you know.

Trump's not on many people's dance cards, Honky. How can such a reviled and unpopular leader be expected to govern?

Ahh but the key detail that you are omitting is that most PARTY PEOPLE are against him. You know, the rusted-on voters - the nice people who get sold out time after time after time, only to line up and say "thank you sir, may I have another?" while everyone else realises the only way not to lose a rigged game is not to play, so they check out?

Well, those people are checking back in, they want Trump and they number enough to get him. The idiocracy took a major blow but the old powers needed idiots, and while there are quite a few lining up to do their bidding, people power won the day. The war is still on though - which side are you on?

The people's, Homo. You?

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Reply #38 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:58pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:57am:

It's amazing the lengths people are going to to absolve Trump and his administration of any and all responsibility while giving them credit for anything positive they can manufacture or take credit from others actions, or anything positive they can spin from their very obvious and very public mistakes.

I used to have far more respect for wikileaks. They used to be about the truth and getting the facts out from behind the black walls of sanitised information, but now they've picked a side and delved into politics.

They have every right to operate however ever they want, but they should at least be honest about their intentions.

But I get it, at least until they regain their composure and return to their roots, they've only got gains to make by supporting Trump, especially over Hillary for Assange's own personal well being, but we've seen how quickly Trump will cast aside those close to him, or even those who've helped him once he sees no further use for them.

It's a shame that most Americans won't realise they fit into that last category of people Trump will just exploit until it's too late.

Actually, what am I saying, it already is too late...

I used to have far more respect for wikileaks.

How long has be been locked up in that embassy ? He wants to con his mate Trump into saving him.

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Reply #39 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:00pm

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A “destabilization campaign” by opponents of President Donald Trump is responsible for National Security Adviser Michael T. Flynn’s resignation

See that half the Trump team were having meetings with the Russians through the election campaign, no the Russians had no involvement and the Trump team knew nothing about it.

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Reply #40 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:07pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:00pm:

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A “destabilization campaign” by opponents of President Donald Trump is responsible for National Security Adviser Michael T. Flynn’s resignation

See that half the Trump team were having meetings with the Russians through the election campaign, no the Russians had no involvement and the Trump team knew nothing about it.

What are you talking about?

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Reply #41 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:57am

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Ahh but the key detail that you are omitting is that most PARTY PEOPLE are against him. You know, the rusted-on voters - the nice people who get sold out time after time after time, only to line up and say "thank you sir, may I have another?" while everyone else realises the only way not to lose a rigged game is not to play, so they check out?

Well, those people are checking back in, they want Trump and they number enough to get him. The idiocracy took a major blow but the old powers needed idiots, and while there are quite a few lining up to do their bidding, people power won the day. The war is still on though - which side are you on?

I really wonder why people will tie themselves in knots trying to defend Trump, especially Australians.

Like really, what is it that you have to gain for supporting him so? He is one of the least deserving people of such blind devotion on the planet, literally. He's only ever had his own interests at heart and has left a trail of destroyed business, local economies, environmental damage and broken lives in his wake.

It doesn't matter the situation, I've been reading some of the older threads and you're right there, pitchfork in hand, making wild claims, dismissing facts and evidence and drawing nonsensical conclusions from the small bits of truth you don't simply dismiss, all to defend Trump and attack those who are not only critical of him, but simply ask questions or fail to support him.

It's scary, and I don't understand why...

He lied so very much throughout the campaign and continues to do so now as President.

As for the campaign, a few choice selections are that the murder rate isn't the highest in 45 years, Obama didn't want to take in 250000 from Syria and their GDP was below zero... What the!?

Lies like that should have been enough to disqualify him from the race. That's not even mentioning his total bewilderment and lack of understanding of the Nuclear Triad and his answer, instead of being quiet or admitting he didn't know, he said,

"I think – I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me."

A lesser fail by Rick Perry was enough to end him...

Since being elected Trump has exaggerated the size of his inauguration crowd, he lied about the mass voter fraud without any proof and he even lied about the weather during his inauguration. These are but a handful of the lesser lies but still lies nonetheless.

I don't understand why it is that you and those like you continue to defend him. I know he's become the poster boy for Trolls all over the world and White Supremacists, even those he and his team aren't re-tweeting or failing to disavow love him and think what he means by MAGA is to get rid of the black guy in the oval office, prevent a woman from being there and deport all the immigrants and stop anymore from entering.

But from someone who appears to live in Australia, how does any of that matter? How can that be an acceptable reason to turn a blind eye to everything else he's doing?

Hell it's not even turning a blind eye, you're defending it!

I just don't get it, why in your opinion is he worth the trouble? Objectively he hasn't earned it in anyway, other than the aforementioned "reasons".

Care to shed any light as to why you're so devoted to him?

I'm sure that I'm not alone in wanting to understand this phenomenon.

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Reply #43 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 10:16am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

the destabilisation campaign started when trump announced he was running as a candidate. it didn't work back then and it won't work now.

LOL,

Anyone reading the comments of , say, pecca , would know that he is a confirmed and self - admitted liar.
So if a liar says bad things about Trump, that makes Trmp go up in a sane persons estimation.

the left are trumps best friends.

i think people like gweg are on his pay roll

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Reply #44 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 10:24am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 10:16am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

the destabilisation campaign started when trump announced he was running as a candidate. it didn't work back then and it won't work now.

LOL,

Anyone reading the comments of , say, pecca , would know that he is a confirmed and self - admitted liar.
So if a liar says bad things about Trump, that makes Trmp go up in a sane persons estimation.

the left are trumps best friends.

i think people like gweg are on his pay roll

Yep. They haven't realised how counter-productive they are.

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