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Re: Trump is incapable of being president
Reply #45 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 10:38am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 10:34am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:17am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:27pm:

Richdude wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:

Trumps popularity is rising -

Why lie?

"President Donald Trump's approval rating reached a new low Saturday, according to a poll from Gallup, as the new administration has struggled to find its footing nearly a month into the term.

"The daily tracking poll found that just 40% of Americans approve of President Trump's job as president so far, compared to 55% who say the disapprove. The negative 15-point spread is the highest recorded in the poll since Trump took office January 20."

Richdude wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:

despite the barrage of negatives from the press -

The press?

Ah.

What about the negatives from the women he's assaulted, the children he's allegedly raped, the tax department he hasn't contributed to, and the contractors he hasn't paid?

Have you chosen to ignore those negatives?

worst polls of any president at this stage... EVER.

Indeed.

And let's not forget, as unpopular as Hillary was, 3 million more people voted for her.

And, Trump's inauguration had the lowest turnout ever.

The fact is, he's never been very popular, and the numbers are just getting worse.

The leftards need to suck it up, Greggery. They just need to accept the fact that a minority of Americans voted in the most unpopular president ever.

Get over it, leftards. The Amerikan people lost.

Trump will make Russia great again, no?

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Re: Trump is incapable of being president
Reply #46 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:06pm

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

The same polls that said Hilary was a sure thing?

Grin

You mean the polls that predicted Clinton would easily out-vote Trump... and were right? It is only the DISTRIBUTION of votes that got Trump in the WH, not a majority.

And yes, like it or not, Trumps popularity is plummetting as it was always going to do. After the incredible stuffups on a daily basis the only surprise is that he is as high as 40%

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Trump is incapable of being president Reply #47 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:09pm look at these lefties still sooking. how pitiful.
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Reply #48 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:16pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:06pm:

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

The same polls that said Hilary was a sure thing?

Grin

You mean the polls that predicted Clinton would easily out-vote Trump... and were right? It is only the DISTRIBUTION of votes that got Trump in the WH, not a majority.

No.

There were many polls from states other than california that "proved" clinton was a shoo.in. In case you forgot, without cslifornia trump won the populat vote by much more than a million votes.

The problem was, the polls werent wrong, they were stacked - every time Trumps numbers got higher, the size of the democrat sample was increased . It wasnt unusual to see samples of dem +25. All the talk of "nobody seeing it coming" are rubbish - the pollsters saw it, but thought the power of propaganda could change it. They were nearly right.

This was no accident - it was intentional deception, and even when it was pointed out, you losers didnt reassess, you doubled down.

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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101827	Re: Trump is incapable of being president Reply #49 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:20pm Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:09pm: look at these lefties still sooking. how pitiful. I agree, Homo. Just look at Longy, sulking over his criminal leftard candidate losing the erection. What a sore loser. We will make Russia great again, no?
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Re: Trump is incapable of being president
Reply #50 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:45pm

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:06pm:

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

The same polls that said Hilary was a sure thing?

Grin

You mean the polls that predicted Clinton would easily out-vote Trump... and were right? It is only the DISTRIBUTION of votes that got Trump in the WH, not a majority.

No.

There were many polls from states other than california that "proved" clinton was a shoo.in. In case you forgot, without cslifornia trump won the populat vote by much more than a million votes.

The problem was, the polls werent wrong, they were stacked - every time Trumps numbers got higher, the size of the democrat sample was increased . It wasnt unusual to see samples of dem +25. All the talk of "nobody seeing it coming" are rubbish - the pollsters saw it, but thought the power of propaganda could change it. They were nearly right.

This was no accident - it was intentional deception, and even when it was pointed out, you losers didnt reassess, you doubled down.

ah so now every poll you dont like - which is all of them - are fake news as well? Wait until Fox News comes out and gives similar results, then what?

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Reply #51 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:45pm:

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:06pm:

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

The same polls that said Hilary was a sure thing?

Grin

You mean the polls that predicted Clinton would easily out-vote Trump... and were right? It is only the DISTRIBUTION of votes that got Trump in the WH, not a majority.

No.

There were many polls from states other than california that "proved" clinton was a shoo.in. In case you forgot, without cslifornia trump won the populat vote by much more than a million votes.

The problem was, the polls werent wrong, they were stacked - every time Trumps numbers got higher, the size of the democrat sample was increased . It wasnt unusual to see samples of dem +25. All the talk of "nobody seeing it coming" are rubbish - the pollsters saw it, but thought the power of propaganda could change it. They were nearly right.

This was no accident - it was intentional deception, and even when it was pointed out, you losers didnt reassess, you doubled down.

ah so now every poll you dont like - which is all of them - are fake news as well? Wait until Fox News comes out and gives similar results, then what?

Dont be a buggerhead for once in your life longy.

There is no way professional pollsters can accidentally oversample democrats +25, and no way a professional impartial news agency can not pick up on it. The only explanation is intentional deception.

The extent of the lie was exposed on election day - why do you still cling to lies?

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Reply #52 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 2:36pm

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:45pm:

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:06pm:

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

The same polls that said Hilary was a sure thing?

Grin

You mean the polls that predicted Clinton would easily out-vote Trump... and were right? It is only the DISTRIBUTION of votes that got Trump in the WH, not a majority.

No.

There were many polls from states other than california that "proved" clinton was a shoo.in. In case you forgot, without cslifornia trump won the populat vote by much more than a million votes.

The problem was, the polls werent wrong, they were stacked - every time Trumps numbers got higher, the size of the democrat sample was increased . It wasnt unusual to see samples of dem +25. All the talk of "nobody seeing it coming" are rubbish - the pollsters saw it, but thought the power of propaganda could change it. They were nearly right.

This was no accident - it was intentional deception, and even when it was pointed out, you losers didnt reassess, you doubled down.

ah so now every poll you dont like - which is all of them - are fake news as well? Wait until Fox News comes out and gives similar results, then what?

Dont be a buggerhead for once in your life longy.

There is no way professional pollsters can accidentally oversample democrats +25, and no way a professional impartial news agency can not pick up on it. The only explanation is intentional deception.

The extent of the lie was exposed on election day - why do you still cling to lies?

As someone who actually studies mathematical Statistics at university level, an explanation is not difficult. But there are two problems.

1) you would not be able to understand the explanation and
2) you wouldnt believe the explanation anyhow.

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Re: Trump is incapable of being president
Reply #53 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 2:42pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 2:36pm:

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:45pm:

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 12:06pm:

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

The same polls that said Hilary was a sure thing?

Grin

You mean the polls that predicted Clinton would easily out-vote Trump... and were right? It is only the DISTRIBUTION of votes that got Trump in the WH, not a majority.

No.

There were many polls from states other than california that "proved" clinton was a shoo.in. In case you forgot, without cslifornia trump won the populat vote by much more than a million votes.

The problem was, the polls werent wrong, they were stacked - every time Trumps numbers got higher, the size of the democrat sample was increased . It wasnt unusual to see samples of dem +25. All the talk of "nobody seeing it coming" are rubbish - the pollsters saw it, but thought the power of propaganda could change it. They were nearly right.

This was no accident - it was intentional deception, and even when it was pointed out, you losers didnt reassess, you doubled down.

ah so now every poll you dont like - which is all of them - are fake news as well? Wait until Fox News comes out and gives similar results, then what?

Dont be a buggerhead for once in your life longy.

There is no way professional pollsters can accidentally oversample democrats +25, and no way a professional impartial news agency can not pick up on it. The only explanation is intentional deception.

The extent of the lie was exposed on election day - why do you still cling to lies?

As someone who actually studies mathematical Statistics at university level, an explanation is not difficult.

Year 9 maths, innit.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Trump is incapable of being president Reply #54 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 2:44pm Ahh yes, longys infamous mathematics abilities.
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Reply #56 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:47pm

The first thing to realise is...

USA has voluntary voting and so people who are polled may not vote and this increases the margin of error significantly.

USA is very much a collection of states with very different election laws and very different political cultures. To get all that in one polling set is hard.

Polling is an ESTIMATE at best and there is a margin of error that has to be considered

The polls predicted a large margin in the lead for clinton - and were correct. The actual distribution of those votes is the hard part and in this case, tipped the result the other way.

and you neither accept nor understand it. All you see is a polling prediction in error and so rather than infer mistake you infer deception and fake news.

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Reply #57 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:55pm

The fly in thr ointment of your lie is that they were rarely (never?) Nationwide polls. They were state polls. Its very hard to give you the benefit of the doubt about distribution errors.

How do you explain the "likely voters" in the graph below swinging almost 20% towards democrat on 6 weeks, despite democrat turnout and enthusiasm being way down?

There are 2 possibilities:

Everyone involved are idiots.

Or

Theyre lying.

There is proof of both, but i tend to givd the benefit of the doubt with regards to their intelligence. Theyd need to have at least average intelligence to get where they are, but honesty isnt a prerequisite.

There is also the question of why i was able to predict the result while all of the pros "never saw it coming"

1. Im a genius

Or

2. They were lying.

In this case, it was both, but the common link between the two questions cannot be ignored. Well, i cant ignore it anyway, though you seem to be happy to. Each to their own.

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Reply #58 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 4:52pm

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:55pm:

The fly in thr ointment of your lie is that they were rarely (never?) Nationwide polls. They were state polls. Its very hard to give you the benefit of the doubt about distribution errors.

How do you explain the "likely voters" in the graph below swinging almost 20% towards democrat on 6 weeks, despite democrat turnout and enthusiasm being way down?

There are 2 possibilities:

Everyone involved are idiots.

Or

Theyre lying.

There is proof of both, but i tend to givd the benefit of the doubt with regards to their intelligence. Theyd need to have at least average intelligence to get where they are, but honesty isnt a prerequisite.

There is also the question of why i was able to predict the result while all of the pros "never saw it coming"

1. Im a genius

Or

2. They were lying.

In this case, it was both, but the common link between the two questions cannot be ignored. Well, i cant ignore it anyway, though you seem to be happy to. Each to their own.

nice debunking... of nothing at all.

You answer NO questions. you ofFer NO explanations. All you do is (literally) mindlessly swallow everything trump says and does without a moment's consideration of accuracy or truth.

The polls were wrong. So what? Do you think this is the first time in history polls ahve been wrong? They are ALWAYS wrong. the important bit is HOW wrong.

You know nothing, understand nothing and think not at all. I can get the same results from a parrot as from you.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Trump is incapable of being president Reply #59 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 4:58pm Don't you think the tactic of covering up your mistakes and lies with abuse is a little played out by now? Obviously not. Carry on.
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