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Reply #45 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:33pm

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 2:38pm:

Ahhh, so when you said that he broke the law, that wasn't exactly true now was it?...

sure it was ... according to several constitutional lawyers who've commented in articles I've read.

Are you seriously going to pretend the Emoluments Clause doesn't exist?

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Reply #46 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:46pm

@

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That wreaks of 3^rd party, no?

Who "retweeted" Trump's original tweet?

That would/could be termed a "smoking gun" if the AG, part of the Trump Administration, were so inclined to take down Trump on petty charges like, tweeting while intoxicated, or tweeting falsely under oath......etc...& then get a super majority of US Senators to agree completely.

Please proffer your findings of exactly what parts of his freedom of speech is forbidden by statute....I know of no statute that defines anything of the sort. Tnx...

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Reply #47 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:48pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:33pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 2:38pm:

Ahhh, so when you said that he broke the law, that wasn't exactly true now was it?...

sure it was ... according to several constitutional lawyers who've commented in articles I've read.

Are you seriously going to pretend the Emoluments Clause doesn't exist?

Present that in court.....your ass is flying out the door & the last thing you would hear from outside would be the judge saying ..... Next!!

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Reply #48 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 4:06pm

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:31pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:20pm:

cods wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:55am:

who cares!!!!!! even a president has the right to speak up for his daughter.

I agree.....but we should all care......care that the Freedom of Speech.....The First Amendment to the US Constitution.....is under attack by those that would wish the President would stop using his Constitutional Rights to voice his opinions, solely because they hate him.

Who gave "them" the right to decide who has the Right to the Freedom of Speech, & who does not?

To "them", the dummy-spitting leftards worldwide, I simply say......tough titty when ya gotta chew the milk girls....

Get used to it. The President retains his Right to Free Speech guaranteed to All American Citizens, just now more people listen & more people will react.........it only gets sweeter from here! http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/cleanteeth09.gif

WOuld you agree though that regardless of the legalities, it's a poor look for a president to be wasting his time on this?

Not at all..... He's still an American Citizen first & foremost, with all the Rights that go with it.....

You really dont know the difference between rights and responsibilities. Next you will defend his 'right' to screw underage girls. And I am serious. you WOULD defend that.

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Reply #49 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 4:11pm

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:33pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 2:38pm:

Ahhh, so when you said that he broke the law, that wasn't exactly true now was it?...

sure it was ... according to several constitutional lawyers who've commented in articles I've read.

Are you seriously going to pretend the Emoluments Clause doesn't exist?

Present that in court.....your ass is flying out the door & the last thing you would hear from outside would be the judge saying ..... Next!!

what do you think he'd say if you presented your 'right to free speech' argument?

if your answer is nothing, then you're right, he wouldn't say anything ... he wouldn't be able to stop laughing long enough to talk

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Reply #50 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 5:21pm

It would appear that Kellyanne Conway has violated the federal ethics rules regarding her "free commercial" of Ivanka's line.

The rules state that an employee of the government’s executive branch cannot use public office for personal gain or to endorse products or services on behalf of friends or relatives. Legal experts said Ms. Conway, whose title is counselor to the president, appeared to have violated that and possibly other conflict-of-interest rules, which do not apply to the president and vice president, but do apply to their staffs.

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Reply #51 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 5:23pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 4:11pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:33pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 2:38pm:

Ahhh, so when you said that he broke the law, that wasn't exactly true now was it?...

sure it was ... according to several constitutional lawyers who've commented in articles I've read.

Are you seriously going to pretend the Emoluments Clause doesn't exist?

Present that in court.....your ass is flying out the door & the last thing you would hear from outside would be the judge saying ..... Next!!

what do you think he'd say if you presented your 'right to free speech' argument?

if your answer is nothing, then you're right, he wouldn't say anything ... he wouldn't be able to stop laughing long enough to talk

In America all the burden of proof is with the prosecution who is armed only with the testimony of the accusers & witnesses.

The defendant....the accused, has the Constitutional Right not to have to answer to anything....offer no proof of innocence.

If then I were defending DJT on a criminal matter (Impeachment is a criminal matter), the judge would not ask for any defense, ask for any argument whatsoever, he would simply ask how does the accused plead.....& unless the defendant was pleading to guilty, he would plead not guilty.

No need to do anything otherwise.....the prosecution needs to then prove their entire case, & when done, if the defendant declines to present personal testimony, the judge would have to defer to the jury for a verdict.

The only time the defense would need do anything is if, approved by the defendant, the attorney for the defense would proceed to systematically tear apart prosecution witnesses & the prosecutor's case.

So to simply answer your question, I would present no argument, within my tearing apart witnesses, if it was decided to be beneficial to the defense, I would get stipulations that the First Amendment exists, & that it guarantees All American Citizens the Freedom of Speech.

That Simple.

That stipulation would not be an argument, it would be a testimony to fact, not by my client, but by witnesses for the prosecution.....very powerful, & very safe.

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Reply #53 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 5:54pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:

yes, i would have avoided answering that too if I was you

Why answer to anything, that need not be proven.....

Innocent until proven guilty in a Court of Law beyond a reasonable doubt, by a jury of his peers...........The US House of Representatives to refer (218 of 435), & the US Senate, who actually tries the case, the Court of Law, & it is they that decides guilt or no (67 of 100). A Super Majority.

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Reply #56 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 5:58pm

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 5:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 5:56pm:

blah blah blah .... i notice even trump hasn't used you right to freedom of speech excuse

and he loves pathetic excuses Cheesy

Why answer to anything, that need not be proven.....

I'll remind you of that when he gets impeached.

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Reply #57 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 6:03pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 5:58pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 5:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 5:56pm:

blah blah blah .... i notice even trump hasn't used you right to freedom of speech excuse

and he loves pathetic excuses Cheesy

Why answer to anything, that need not be proven.....

I'll remind you of that when he gets impeached.

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Amendment I (1791)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

There is no law stating the President has to relinquish his Right to the Freedom of Speech, or any part thereof.....

Congress is forbidden from making any such law.....period

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Panther Gold Member Offline My Heart beats True for the Red White & Blue... Posts: 11876 Gender:	Re: surely not even the fanboys can defend this... Reply #59 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 6:08pm John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 6:05pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 5:58pm: I'll remind you of that when he gets impeached. Yes, believe in your dreams......for within them they are true to you......
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