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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: surely not even the fanboys can defend this... Reply #30 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:12pm Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:09pm: Well you know, the irony of you asking us for citations. Strong!
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Panther Gold Member Offline My Heart beats True for the Red White & Blue... Posts: 11876 Gender:	Surely Leftards can't defend their inane stupidity Reply #31 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:15pm @ Smitty.... BTW...... I don't do guilt, so you can never shame me, even over something so trivial as Trump exercising his Right to Free Speech, which BTW I don't only agree with him using it, I applaud him......anything that gets up the Left's craw is divine comedy!!
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Re: surely not even the fanboys can defend this...
Reply #32 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:19pm

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:15pm:

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BTW...... I don't do guilt, so you can never shame me, even over something so trivial as Trump exercising his Right to Free Speech, which BTW I don't only agree with him using it, I applaud him......anything that gets up the Left's craw is divine comedy!!

Not shaming you, just pointing out the irony in asking me to provide evidence. Personally I don't think some hick from Bumbugger Victoria is capable of shame.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #33 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:21pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:19pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:15pm:

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Smitty....

BTW...... I don't do guilt, so you can never shame me, even over something so trivial as Trump exercising his Right to Free Speech, which BTW I don't only agree with him using it, I applaud him......anything that gets up the Left's craw is divine comedy!!

Not shaming you, just pointing out the irony in asking me to provide evidence. Personally I don't think some hick from Bumbugger Victoria is capable of shame.

Ahhhh.....got to hand it to ya DonkeyBoy, you listened for once.....you got the State Right!

As far as when I ask the left for evidence, which they never have, they never provide a good lie even, to date I can't remember ever seeing any evidence from the left.......see Smitty's still wallowing in his swill.....he won't provide any......just watch......neither will any of your other compatriots there DonkeyBoy......neither will the others.

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Reply #34 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:22pm

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:19pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:15pm:

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Smitty....

BTW...... I don't do guilt, so you can never shame me, even over something so trivial as Trump exercising his Right to Free Speech, which BTW I don't only agree with him using it, I applaud him......anything that gets up the Left's craw is divine comedy!!

Not shaming you, just pointing out the irony in asking me to provide evidence. Personally I don't think some hick from Bumbugger Victoria is capable of shame.

Ahhhh.....got to hand it to ya DonkeyBoy, you listened for once.....you got the State Right!

Well you know, when its not the ACT anywhere is Bumbugger.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #35 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:29pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:22pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:21pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:19pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:15pm:

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Smitty....

BTW...... I don't do guilt, so you can never shame me, even over something so trivial as Trump exercising his Right to Free Speech, which BTW I don't only agree with him using it, I applaud him......anything that gets up the Left's craw is divine comedy!!

As far as when I ask the left for evidence, which they never have, they never provide a good lie even, to date I can't remember ever seeing any evidence from the left.......see Smitty's still wallowing in his swill.....he won't provide any......just watch......neither will any of your other compatriots there DonkeyBoy......neither will the others.

Not shaming you, just pointing out the irony in asking me to provide evidence. Personally I don't think some hick from Bumbugger Victoria is capable of shame.

Ahhhh.....got to hand it to ya DonkeyBoy, you listened for once.....you got the State Right!

Well you know, when its not the ACT anywhere is Bumbugger.

Ahhh, the ACT, I was on my way to Sydney.....taking the scenic route (I was lost).....I remember taking a great hellacious SH!T in the ACT along the way.....clean rooms....very tidy!

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Reply #36 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:34pm

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:40pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:27pm:

None whatsoever!
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I'm not surprised ... you retards are shameless.

you cry for months that hillary broke the law because she used a private email server, and then come up with the most pathetic excuses possible when trump breaks laws Cheesy

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Citation(s) please.....specific laws broken by Trump.....Freedoms relinquished by Trump the moment he took his oath of office.....what are they.....Citation(s) please..

This is gunna be good!

for starters, he retains his business interests.

let the excuses begin

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #37 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:35pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:31pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:20pm:

cods wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:55am:

who cares!!!!!! even a president has the right to speak up for his daughter.

I agree.....but we should all care......care that the Freedom of Speech.....The First Amendment to the US Constitution.....is under attack by those that would wish the President would stop using his Constitutional Rights to voice his opinions, solely because they hate him.

Who gave "them" the right to decide who has the Right to the Freedom of Speech, & who does not?

To "them", the dummy-spitting leftards worldwide, I simply say......tough titty when ya gotta chew the milk girls....

Get used to it. The President retains his Right to Free Speech guaranteed to All American Citizens, just now more people listen & more people will react.........it only gets sweeter from here! http://www.s22.site88.net/smileys/cleanteeth09.gif

WOuld you agree though that regardless of the legalities, it's a poor look for a president to be wasting his time on this?

But not unexpected of a small minded petty tyrant.. it seems like he has been in office 3 years instead of three weeks,...his stupid just keeps coming and coming, just keeps rolling on in-

Kelly Anne ConJOB is definitely not being the support to Trump that she thinks she is-quite the opposite AND she looks like like a 2 bit bimbo errgh.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 151319 Gender:	Re: surely not even the fanboys can defend this... Reply #38 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:36pm Agnes wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:35pm: Kelly Anne ConJOB is definitely not being the support to Trump that she thinks she is-quite the opposite AND she looks like like a 2 bit bimbo errgh. One bit.
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Reply #40 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:40pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:34pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:40pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:27pm:

None whatsoever!
Wink

I'm not surprised ... you retards are shameless.

you cry for months that hillary broke the law because she used a private email server, and then come up with the most pathetic excuses possible when trump breaks laws Cheesy

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All Leftards including DonkeyBoy & Smitty......

Citation(s) please.....specific laws broken by Trump.....Freedoms relinquished by Trump the moment he took his oath of office.....what are they.....Citation(s) please..

This is gunna be good!

for starters, he retains his business interests.

let the excuses begin

That's a non-starter PiggyBoy....

Specifics......I requested specifics, not generalities from regurgitated leftist "Talking Points"

What specific Law(s) has President Trump broken, not what gweggy might have told you to say....think fer yerself PiggyBoy....think fer yerself.....dig deep.

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Reply #41 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:49pm

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:20pm:

cods wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:55am:

who cares!!!!!! even a president has the right to speak up for his daughter.

[size=11][font=Georgia][i]I agree.....but we should all care......care that the Freedom of Speech.....The First Amendment to the US Constitution.....is under attack by those that would wish the President would stop using his Constitutional Rights to voice his opinions, solely because they hate him.

Who gave "them" the right to decide who has the Right to the Freedom of Speech, & who does not?

Who decided? The law did panther.

Under US law, the President does *NOT* have freedom of speech when speaking officially as the US president. In this case - using the official presidential twitter handle:

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According to the Code of Federal Regulations, government officials cannot use their public office "for the endorsement of any product, service, or enterprise." The law further states that officials cannot use their position to give the appearance that the government "sanctions or endorses" the activities of a private party.

Trump gave the appearance of both sanctioning and endorsing 'the activities of a private party' - firstly endorsing his daughter's brand, and secondly sanctioning Nordstrom.

but none of this would have applied if he simply kept his comments under his private twitter account:

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According to Clark, this initial tweet was not an ethical violation. The law ensures that government employees are afforded the right to act as private citizens. "It's absolutely critical that government officials, in general, make communications in their personal capacity," she explains. "And that the government not be able to shut down or gag government employees by prohibiting them from speaking on their own behalf."

But all of that changed when the official @POTUS account retweeted Trump's original tweet, because suddenly the official weight of the government was behind Trump's criticism of Nordstrom's decision to drop Ivanka's products. "The @POTUS handle is seen as government property," Clark says. "It's an official government organ."

https://www.fastcompany.com/3068034/why-trumps-nordstrom-tweet-may-have-crossed-...

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: surely not even the fanboys can defend this... Reply #42 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:51pm Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Specifics......I requested specifics, not generalities from regurgitated leftist "Talking Points" yeah ... cause I've got nothing better to do than troll US legislation for your sake
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Reply #43 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 2:38pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:34pm:

......you cry for months that hillary broke the law because she used a private email server, and then come up with the most pathetic excuses possible when trump breaks laws Cheesy

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:51pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Specifics......I requested specifics, not generalities from regurgitated leftist "Talking Points"

yeah ... cause I've got nothing better to do than troll US legislation for your sake Cheesy

Ahhh, so when you said that he broke the law, that wasn't exactly true now was it?.....No need to answer, I know the answer, & you haven't a clue if it was illegal or not, so your answer would/should have been........NO, I have no freeking clue.......I thought not.....nothing new.

See, & I didn't even call you a MF'ing, split tongued liar....did I.....I can be nice too when I wanna be.

PS.....I already had the legal answer, but I'll just keep that for my personal use in the future when & if I need to reference it.....until then, what I know stays with me...unless I, & only I choose to share it..........that is unless you got nothing better to do than troll US legislation & accidentally stumble across it

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Reply #44 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:29pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:49pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:20pm:

cods wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:55am:

who cares!!!!!! even a president has the right to speak up for his daughter.

[size=11][font=Georgia][i]I agree.....but we should all care......care that the Freedom of Speech.....The First Amendment to the US Constitution.....is under attack by those that would wish the President would stop using his Constitutional Rights to voice his opinions, solely because they hate him.

Who gave "them" the right to decide who has the Right to the Freedom of Speech, & who does not?

Who decided? The law did panther.

Under US law, the President does *NOT* have freedom of speech when speaking officially as the US president. In this case - using the official presidential twitter handle:

Quote:

According to the Code of Federal Regulations, government officials cannot use their public office "for the endorsement of any product, service, or enterprise." The law further states that officials cannot use their position to give the appearance that the government "sanctions or endorses" the activities of a private party.

Trump gave the appearance of both sanctioning and endorsing 'the activities of a private party' - firstly endorsing his daughter's brand, and secondly sanctioning Nordstrom.

but none of this would have applied if he simply kept his comments under his private twitter account:

Quote:

According to Clark, this initial tweet was not an ethical violation. The law ensures that government employees are afforded the right to act as private citizens. "It's absolutely critical that government officials, in general, make communications in their personal capacity," she explains. "And that the government not be able to shut down or gag government employees by prohibiting them from speaking on their own behalf."

But all of that changed when the official @POTUS account retweeted Trump's original tweet, because suddenly the official weight of the government was behind Trump's criticism of Nordstrom's decision to drop Ivanka's products. "The @POTUS handle is seen as government property," Clark says. "It's an official government organ."

https://www.fastcompany.com/3068034/why-trumps-nordstrom-tweet-may-have-crossed-...

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