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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #30 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 7:29am

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:49am:

Not sure about music.

Just go with the flow FD - safer to assume the worst - general rule of thumb, if its bad, its in.

Just like how you state as fact that government school funds went to terrorists with no shred of evidence. We don't really need actual facts when judging Islam. I think we now call them "alternative facts". Like for example those horrific Islamic massacres in Bowling Green and Atlanta.

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #31 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 8:05am

I subscribe to Picasso's belief that “Art is the lie that reveals the truth.” That has to piss-off religious fanatics for a start.

Reveal the truth without some sanctimonious and pious twaddle that reinforces dogma? Paint a portrait of the human face?

Mona Lisa, how indecent! If you are not going to cover your face, at least cover your head, you harlot!

Music and dance will lead to the devil's play ground.

Destroy all evidence of cultures other than Islam, especially statues; it is all idolatry.

All bow to Mecca. There must be no distraction in art or music. Repeat the Prophets words until your eyes glaze over. Then you will be able to do the work of Allah.

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #32 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 11:12am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:01pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Why was this done in the name of Islam?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2...

Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.

Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta. Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers? All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done. Roll Eyes

Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times.
What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace. No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. Cheesy

I actually don't disagree with you, Geoff. I agree what the minority of Muslims who are extremists who make up the Caliphate (who it must be noted did not blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas) are doing is terrible. However, unlike Gordon and I suspect you, I recognise them as being exactly that - a minority. A minority which the majority of Muslims are trying to eliminate at the moment in Iraq and in Syria. Something which seems to pass you by. I wonder why? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

LOL.... where is the GOOSE emoticon.
Honestly bwian if you agree then why insult us with your arrogance?
Tsk tsk.... Cheesy

How many Muslims did it take to kill 1000s in 9/11?
How many Muslims are part of or supporting ISIS and the Caliphate?
What religion does ISIS claim to follow?
What are Muslims told to do until they reach dominance within a population?
https://duaat.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world/
I shan't bother trying logic or other facts with you... because plainly we already all know you ignore that which you cannot handle. Roll Eyes

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #33 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 2:49pm

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:49am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:19pm:

They destroy ancient monuments, they hate imagery, they condemn people who play or listen to music. Islam is seriously phuqued up. These people have no claim to multiculturalism.

If you haven't got an answer, don't bother dishing up another load of "that is not real Islam."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38912958

I think it is because it does not take much to compete with Islam.

Muhammed made the destruction of pagan shrines part of Islam. I'm pretty sure it bans humour also, and pictures of Muhammed. Not sure about music.

All religions destroy the shrines of competitors, FD. Look at Christianity and it's efforts in that department... Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #34 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 2:57pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 11:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:01pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Why was this done in the name of Islam?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2...

Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.

Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta. Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers? All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done. Roll Eyes

Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times.
What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace. No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. Cheesy

I actually don't disagree with you, Geoff. I agree what the minority of Muslims who are extremists who make up the Caliphate (who it must be noted did not blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas) are doing is terrible. However, unlike Gordon and I suspect you, I recognise them as being exactly that - a minority. A minority which the majority of Muslims are trying to eliminate at the moment in Iraq and in Syria. Something which seems to pass you by. I wonder why? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

LOL.... where the GOOSE emoticon.
Honestly bwian if you agree then why insult us with your arrogance?
Tsk tsk.... Cheesy

How many Muslims did it take to kill 1000s in 9/11?
How many Muslims are part of or supporting ISIS and the Caliphate?
What religion does ISIS claim to follow?
What are Muslims told to do until they reach dominance within a population?
https://duaat.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world/
I shan't bother trying logic or other facts with you... because plainly we already all know you ignore that which you cannot handle. Roll Eyes

For someone who champions "logic" why are you so poor at it, Geoff?

It doesn't matter how many people kill how many other people, it is whether or not the perpetrators represent the views of the majority of their movement. Did the Muslims who perpetrated 11 September 2001 or any other Terrorist act represent the views of the majority of Muslims? Not by a long shot! The overwhelming majority of Muslims were just as appalled by their actions as were the non-Muslims. Did we read about their protests, their expressions of condolences? No, we read about them "dancing in the streets" (without of course, any photos, something you may remember I have challenged you for, before in other forums), we read about them "wishing all unbelievers dead" and so on.

You and your fellow Islamophobes wonder about how Muslims "can't control their fellow Muslims". I wonder where were your voices during "the troubles" in Ireland? Where were your cries for Catholics to control the PIRA, Protestants to control their equivalents amongst their ranks? You were silent, weren't you, Geoff. I wonder why? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

When you learn to differentiate between the minority and the majority, between the extremists, the Islamists and the majority conformists, then we might be able to discuss these matters sensibly. However, today, 15 years after 11 September 2001, we are still arguing about your loose language, your broad definitions, your Islamophobic hatred. It makes me wonder why you hate Muslims so much, Geoff. Did one frighten you as a baby or something? How many Muslims do you even know, I wonder? Well? Roll Eyes

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #35 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 3:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 1:07am:

Frank wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:01pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Why was this done in the name of Islam?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2...

Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.

Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta. Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers? All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done. Roll Eyes

Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times.
What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace. No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. Cheesy

I actually don't disagree with you, Geoff. I agree what the minority of Muslims who are extremists who make up the Caliphate (who it must be noted did not blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas) are doing is terrible. However, unlike Gordon and I suspect you, I recognise them as being exactly that - a minority. A minority which the majority of Muslims are trying to eliminate at the moment in Iraq and in Syria. Something which seems to pass you by. I wonder why? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

But is it the minority or the majority of Muslims that are Islamically correct?

According to whom? Them? All zealots believe they are "religiously correct", Soren. All you're doing is using their beliefs to feed your Islamophobia. Tsk. tsk. Roll Eyes

Looks like there is no difference between Muslims and anyone else, Brian: every time someone point out that Islamic doctrine is different to Western morals and customs and that those doctrines motivate Muslim actions you say it doesn't matter, most Muslims do not believe in those Islamic doctrines.

But what's the point of being Muslim then? What ARE the Islamic doctrines that the 'vast majority' of Muslims DO beleive and which makes them different to non-Muslim?

Explain, if you can.

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #36 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 4:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:41pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Some Muslims dislike music and art. Nor all Muslims do. Islamic art can often be quite beautiful. Islamic music exists from West Africa to the Philippines. I have a 12 CD set if you'd like to listen to it, Issuevoter?

Just as some Christians dislike religious art and religious music, so do some Muslims. Some extremist Muslims carry it further into hatred of all forms of Muslc and all forms of Art. Not all Muslims do. You are attempting to blacken all Muslims with the actions of a tiny minority amongst their numbers... Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

People who pay lip service to Islam, are not Muzlims.

What about Christians who only pay lip service to Christianity?

Christians are allowed to pay lip service to their religion that is probably the biggest difference between Christianity and Islam.

Muslims say the Quran is Allah's words they riot like butthurt Neanderthals over this silly old book.

Allah says muslims cannot pick and choose which parts of Islamic scripture they believe in right here- quran.com/2:85

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #37 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 4:28pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 4:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:41pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Some Muslims dislike music and art. Nor all Muslims do. Islamic art can often be quite beautiful. Islamic music exists from West Africa to the Philippines. I have a 12 CD set if you'd like to listen to it, Issuevoter?

Just as some Christians dislike religious art and religious music, so do some Muslims. Some extremist Muslims carry it further into hatred of all forms of Muslc and all forms of Art. Not all Muslims do. You are attempting to blacken all Muslims with the actions of a tiny minority amongst their numbers... Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

People who pay lip service to Islam, are not Muzlims.

What about Christians who only pay lip service to Christianity?

Christians are allowed to pay lip service to their religion that is probably the biggest difference between Christianity and Islam.

Muslims say the Quran is Allah's words they riot like butthurt Neanderthals over this silly old book.

Allah says muslims cannot pick and choose which parts of Islamic scripture they believe in right here- quran.com/2:85

You mean like how some Christians believe the King James version of The Bible is uniquely "the word of God" and is immutable and must be obeyed, Baron? Of course, there are other Christians who believe in the Latin version of The Bible and some who believe in the Greek version of The Bible and some who believe in the Aramic version of The Bible... Roll Eyes

As for your verse from the Q'ran, it is talking about people who are helping non-believers persecute believers, so guess which side Allah is going to choose? How does it compare to Qur'an 109:1-6? Roll Eyes

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #38 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 4:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 11:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:01pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Why was this done in the name of Islam?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2...

Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.

Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta. Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers? All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done. Roll Eyes

Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times.
What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace. No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. Cheesy

I actually don't disagree with you, Geoff. I agree what the minority of Muslims who are extremists who make up the Caliphate (who it must be noted did not blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas) are doing is terrible. However, unlike Gordon and I suspect you, I recognise them as being exactly that - a minority. A minority which the majority of Muslims are trying to eliminate at the moment in Iraq and in Syria. Something which seems to pass you by. I wonder why? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

LOL.... where the GOOSE emoticon.
Honestly bwian if you agree then why insult us with your arrogance?
Tsk tsk.... Cheesy

How many Muslims did it take to kill 1000s in 9/11?
How many Muslims are part of or supporting ISIS and the Caliphate?
What religion does ISIS claim to follow?
What are Muslims told to do until they reach dominance within a population?
https://duaat.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world/
I shan't bother trying logic or other facts with you... because plainly we already all know you ignore that which you cannot handle. Roll Eyes

For someone who champions "logic" why are you so poor at it, Geoff?

Now now bwian don't surrender to ad hom befre you even try a reply for a change. Tsk, tsk, tsk, how hypocritical and disingenuous of you

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It doesn't matter how many people kill how many other people, it is whether or not the perpetrators represent the views of the majority of their movement.

I'm sorry so you are agreeing with me are you? You said they were a minority and inferred therefore they didn't count... I shot your argument full of holes...

Did the Muslims who perpetrated 11 September 2001 or any other Terrorist act represent the views of the majority of Muslims? Not by a long shot!

How do you know? taken a poll have you. I have first hand evidence of Muslims in Australia celebrating... oh dear...

The overwhelming majority of Muslims were just as appalled by their actions as were the non-Muslims.

You need to post proof bwian...

Did we read about their protests, their expressions of condolences? No, we read about them "dancing in the streets" (without of course, any photos, something you may remember I have challenged you for, before in other forums), we read about them "wishing all unbelievers dead" and so on.

Yet you have no proof at all to deny these claims have you?

You and your fellow Islamophobes wonder about how Muslims "can't control their fellow Muslims".

Actually bwian that's another lie from you... I don't fear Islam or Muslims some of my childhood heroes were Muslim bwian. Unlike you though I will not lie or stay in denial about what is happening in the world.

I wonder where were your voices during "the troubles" in Ireland? Where were your cries for Catholics to control the PIRA, Protestants to control their equivalents amongst their ranks? You were silent, weren't you, Geoff. I wonder why?

Because I was young and didn't have the internet perhaps eh Bwian... Because the Irish weren't terrorising on a global scale? because if I was on the Net at the time no one was mentioning it bwian... I don't recall you bringing it up even once till now to me... how come bwian... you are such a dishonest hypocrite aren't you. Hmmmm.

Mmmm?

When you learn to differentiate between the minority and the majority, between the extremists, the Islamists and the majority conformists, then we might be able to discuss these matters sensibly.

I doubt it YOU seem to have problems debate anything sensibly.

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #39 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 4:37pm

oh and bwian...

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However, today, 15 years after 11 September 2001, we are still arguing about your loose language, your broad definitions, your Islamophobic hatred.

No bwian you are making baseless claims about it still... you are a dishonest hypocrite and frankly I find your behaviour rather pathetic.

It makes me wonder why you hate Muslims so much, Geoff.

I don't, that's just a lie you keep trying on... I have Muslim friends.

Did one frighten you as a baby or something? How many Muslims do you even know, I wonder? Well?

Well... you are being an idiot...Sorry bwian you lucked out with your lies once again. You need to cut the lies hypocrisy and ad hom, you need to start treating people better and cut the crap and dishonesty.

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #41 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 5:22pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 4:03pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 5:42am:

It's not abundant like western art and you know it.

I think you need to figure that out yourself, Gordon. I know that when I've visited northern India, Islamic figurative art has been "abundant". I know when I've visited Pakistan, Islamic figurative art has been "abundant". It all depends on where you choose to look. Islam is a widely divergent belief system, stretching from West Africa to the Philippines. It has a massive social base with cultures that are diverse in their beliefs and their depictions of art and music. You focus exclusively on the narrow mindset of conservative, Central/South West Asian Muslims, yet as the pictures I have provided, you have diversity there as well. Who cares what an individual Muslim may or may not believe in or observe? You're trying to force everybody into the same straitjacket that you dwell in. Silly. Next you'll be proposing a House Committee on UnAustralian Activities, "are you or have you ever been a Muslim?" Yeah, real smart that... Roll Eyes

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #42 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 5:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:37am:

rhino wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 11:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:59pm:

Geometric patterns.
No human or animal forms.

What kind of a shitttt religion dictates you can't even make beautiful art depicting a person.

Islam snuffs the beauty out of everything

What a load of bullshit, Gordon.

Islamic art allows the depiction of human figures. Like this one:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/55/4f/10554fce6a27e53cc92bc62c8d7b4...

Or this one:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/86/c0/3f/86c03f533308ba7adcc48e62...

Or this one:

https://8ch.pl/islam/src/1463515422640-1.jpg

Or this one:

http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/art-literature/images/Achaemenid%20Miniature.jpg

Or this one:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/c1/6a/07c16a21a91961ce98b2577486e38...

There are literally millions of pieces of Islamic art which all depict human figures. Roll Eyes

Anything from the 20th or 21st centuries?

The last two, Rhino... Roll Eyes

Link please!

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #43 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 5:30pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Same old boring excuses, same old boring bullshit, Geoff. You've been online now for what, at least 15 years? You have read most of my arguments many times before and you've always denied them. Tsk, tsk. Time to grow up and face the facts, you're an Islamophobe and a Xenophobe and a Racist.

Bwian.... you are a pathetic liar and a hypocrite... everyone know it sunshine.

I'm none of those things and you have no proof to back up your libel do you? Cheesy

hence your invisible writing... did it make you feel better... see a shrink buddy... you need help!

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #44 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 5:30pm

kemal wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 5:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 12:37am:

rhino wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 11:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:59pm:

Geometric patterns.
No human or animal forms.

What kind of a shitttt religion dictates you can't even make beautiful art depicting a person.

Islam snuffs the beauty out of everything

What a load of bullshit, Gordon.

Islamic art allows the depiction of human figures. Like this one:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/55/4f/10554fce6a27e53cc92bc62c8d7b4...

Or this one:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/86/c0/3f/86c03f533308ba7adcc48e62...

Or this one:

https://8ch.pl/islam/src/1463515422640-1.jpg

Or this one:

http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/art-literature/images/Achaemenid%20Miniature.jpg

Or this one:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/c1/6a/07c16a21a91961ce98b2577486e38...

There are literally millions of pieces of Islamic art which all depict human figures. Roll Eyes

Anything from the 20th or 21st centuries?

The last two, Rhino... Roll Eyes

Link please!

Kernal, you do realise that the links to the pictures are included in the text you've quoted up above your own entry? Roll Eyes

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