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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 17210 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music? Reply #15 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:02am Why was this done in the name of Islam? Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.
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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #16 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 5:42am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:59pm:

Geometric patterns.
No human or animal forms.

What kind of a shitttt religion dictates you can't even make beautiful art depicting a person.

Islam snuffs the beauty out of everything

What a load of bullshit, Gordon.

Islamic art allows the depiction of human figures. Like this one:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/55/4f/10554fce6a27e53cc92bc62c8d7b4...

Or this one:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/86/c0/3f/86c03f533308ba7adcc48e62...

Or this one:

https://8ch.pl/islam/src/1463515422640-1.jpg

Or this one:

http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/art-literature/images/Achaemenid%20Miniature.jpg

Or this one:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/c1/6a/07c16a21a91961ce98b2577486e38...

There are literally millions of pieces of Islamic art which all depict human figures. Roll Eyes

It's not abundant like western art and you know it.

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Reply #17 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Why was this done in the name of Islam?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2...

Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.

Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta. Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers? All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done. Roll Eyes

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #18 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 4:03pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 5:42am:

It's not abundant like western art and you know it.

I think you need to figure that out yourself, Gordon. I know that when I've visited northern India, Islamic figurative art has been "abundant". I know when I've visited Pakistan, Islamic figurative art has been "abundant". It all depends on where you choose to look. Islam is a widely divergent belief system, stretching from West Africa to the Philippines. It has a massive social base with cultures that are diverse in their beliefs and their depictions of art and music. You focus exclusively on the narrow mindset of conservative, Central/South West Asian Muslims, yet as the pictures I have provided, you have diversity there as well. Who cares what an individual Muslim may or may not believe in or observe? You're trying to force everybody into the same straitjacket that you dwell in. Silly. Next you'll be proposing a House Committee on UnAustralian Activities, "are you or have you ever been a Muslim?" Yeah, real smart that... Roll Eyes

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #19 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 4:23pm

issuevoter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Some Muslims dislike music and art. Nor all Muslims do. Islamic art can often be quite beautiful. Islamic music exists from West Africa to the Philippines. I have a 12 CD set if you'd like to listen to it, Issuevoter?

Just as some Christians dislike religious art and religious music, so do some Muslims. Some extremist Muslims carry it further into hatred of all forms of Muslc and all forms of Art. Not all Muslims do. You are attempting to blacken all Muslims with the actions of a tiny minority amongst their numbers... Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

People who pay lip service to Islam, are not Muzlims.

Perhaps you should listen to some of Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens) or Maheer Zain - two muslims who are about as religious as you can get, but make music for a living. Beautiful music about Islam and their faith - I recommend it.

I would put the number of muslims who think music is forbidden in the minority. Perhaps one day you will understand that muslims are not one big monolith with a hive mind where anyone who thinks outside that hive mind must be phony "lip service" muslims.

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Reply #20 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 4:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Why was this done in the name of Islam?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2...

Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.

Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta. Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers? All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done. Roll Eyes

Because, Brian, for the last 20 years Islam has been becoming increasingly conservation and fundamentalist.

When all these other religions you like to give false equivalence to and start blowing up statues, wrecking ancient monuments, burning ancient libraries, we'll criticism them equally.

In 2017, Islam is a big steaming turd of a religion.

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Reply #21 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 6:50pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Why was this done in the name of Islam?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2...

Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.

Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta. Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers? All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done. Roll Eyes

Because, Brian, for the last 20 years Islam has been becoming increasingly conservation and fundamentalist.

Some Muslims have. Most Muslims have not. Why continually focus on what a minority are doing and acting as if they are a majority? Could it be, because it suits your Islamophobic viewpoint? Doesn't matter how often your error is pointed out, you refuse to acknowledge it or accept that you're wrong. Where does that leave you, hey? Out on a limb, sawing it off while you're sitting on it. Roll Eyes

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When all these other religions you like to give false equivalence to and start blowing up statues, wrecking ancient monuments, burning ancient libraries, we'll criticism them equally.

In 2017, Islam is a big steaming turd of a religion.

In your opinion but we know your opinion is mistaken, Gordon. Why do you hate Muslims and their religion so much? Did one scare you as a child? Have you ever even met a modern Muslim and known it? I wonder, I really do. Roll Eyes

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Re: Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
Reply #22 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 7:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Why was this done in the name of Islam?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2...

Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.

Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta. Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers? All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done. Roll Eyes

Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times.
What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace. No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. Cheesy

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Reply #23 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:01pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Why was this done in the name of Islam?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2...

Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.

Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta. Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers? All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done. Roll Eyes

Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times.
What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace. No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. Cheesy

I actually don't disagree with you, Geoff. I agree what the minority of Muslims who are extremists who make up the Caliphate (who it must be noted did not blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas) are doing is terrible. However, unlike Gordon and I suspect you, I recognise them as being exactly that - a minority. A minority which the majority of Muslims are trying to eliminate at the moment in Iraq and in Syria. Something which seems to pass you by. I wonder why? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #25 - Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:01pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Why was this done in the name of Islam?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2...

Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.

Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta. Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers? All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done. Roll Eyes

Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times.
What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace. No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. Cheesy

I actually don't disagree with you, Geoff. I agree what the minority of Muslims who are extremists who make up the Caliphate (who it must be noted did not blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas) are doing is terrible. However, unlike Gordon and I suspect you, I recognise them as being exactly that - a minority. A minority which the majority of Muslims are trying to eliminate at the moment in Iraq and in Syria. Something which seems to pass you by. I wonder why? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

But is it the minority or the majority of Muslims that are Islamically correct?

Is Islam so toxic that many Muslims, the majority, respond by ignoring large parts of it? Is pure Islam lived out by the puritan minority, rather than the backsliding majority?

I certainly think so.

The evidence point that way, that's for sure.

Why do Muzlims hate art and music?
They love death, we love life.

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Reply #26 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 12:24am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Why was this done in the name of Islam?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2...

Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.

Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta. Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers? All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done. Roll Eyes

Do we decry Catholicism for the witch trials, the pagan pogroms? It's stance on issues today, kiddy fiddling, women's rights? We do and should. Using religion to justify barbarity? Nope. Religion is f'ed up and Islam is a religion, no sane person should defend it. I will defend the right of people to have it as a religion but defending the religion as something to be held above is beyond the pale.

You can stick up for Muslims, as people, without condoning what they hold as their religion. Islam sucks pig nuts.

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Reply #27 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 1:06am

Setanta wrote on Feb 11^th, 2017 at 12:24am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Why was this done in the name of Islam?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2...

Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.

Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta. Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers? All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done. Roll Eyes

Do we decry Catholicism for the witch trials, the pagan pogroms? It's stance on issues today, kiddy fiddling, women's rights? We do and should. Using religion to justify barbarity? Nope. Religion is f'ed up and Islam is a religion, no sane person should defend it. I will defend the right of people to have it as a religion but defending the religion as something to be held above is beyond the pale.

You can stick up for Muslims, as people, without condoning what they hold as their religion. Islam sucks pig nuts.

True. Indeed, all I have ever done is defend the right of Muslims to exercise their right to freedom of speech, association and expression, Setanta. Something that seems to pass the Islamophobes right by in their efforts to attack me for defending Muslims. Islam is in many ways just as bad if not worse than any other religion. I won't argue with that, however many Muslims I know are good people, they believe in their religion, just as many Christians are good people who believe in their religion. I don't condemn all believers of any religion, there are good and there are bad. The problem is the Islamophobes never differentiate, they hate all Muslims. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #28 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 1:07am

Frank wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 11:01pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 10^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Why was this done in the name of Islam?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Destruction_of_Buddhas_March_21_2...

Western oppression? Although depicting Allah's creation is not explicitly forbidden by scripture, it frowned upon and that is enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
This was done in the name of Islam, Islam needs to answer for it.

Many things have been done in the name of other religions but we don't demand that the entire religious brethren answer for the actions of a minority, Setanta. Why demand that Islam answer for the actions of a minority of it's believers? All you're doing is playing into their hands, identifying their actions with a diverse religious body which doesn't support what they have done. Roll Eyes

Honestly bwian you are such a demented cyclops at times.
What these people who form part of the caliphate are doing is an utter disgrace. No amount of deluded bigotry from you will change those facts either. Cheesy

I actually don't disagree with you, Geoff. I agree what the minority of Muslims who are extremists who make up the Caliphate (who it must be noted did not blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas) are doing is terrible. However, unlike Gordon and I suspect you, I recognise them as being exactly that - a minority. A minority which the majority of Muslims are trying to eliminate at the moment in Iraq and in Syria. Something which seems to pass you by. I wonder why? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

But is it the minority or the majority of Muslims that are Islamically correct?

According to whom? Them? All zealots believe they are "religiously correct", Soren. All you're doing is using their beliefs to feed your Islamophobia. Tsk. tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #29 - Feb 11^th, 2017 at 6:49am

issuevoter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:19pm:

They destroy ancient monuments, they hate imagery, they condemn people who play or listen to music. Islam is seriously phuqued up. These people have no claim to multiculturalism.

If you haven't got an answer, don't bother dishing up another load of "that is not real Islam."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38912958

I think it is because it does not take much to compete with Islam.

Muhammed made the destruction of pagan shrines part of Islam. I'm pretty sure it bans humour also, and pictures of Muhammed. Not sure about music.

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