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Re: Science under attack under Trump
Reply #75 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:58pm

lee wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:03pm:

Not sure how when every right wing web site says its debunked, that it means its debunked. If the model is flawed, surely thats for a statistician to say isn't it?

So you don't think that reworking a model that is unstable and not fit for purpose, is proof enough? Interesting, but stupid. (Laugh In)

No, sceince changes its models base don new evidence all the time. Thats science.

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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #76 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 2:03pm

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:49pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:37pm:

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:26pm:

See - theres that elephant again.

The rider would recognise a mistake by another person, the elephant demands it be called a malicious lie attributable directly to President Trump.

You're talking about approximation method!

Therefore I find it has it's merits as an argument, for sure! (If not an argumentive method, to be more for sure!)

Yes, the way i see it is that for meaning to be conveyed, while the speaker obviously needs to make every effort to clearly express themselves, but also the reader needs to want to understand.

Sadly, most are just looking for a green light to remain fixed in their preconceptions. Its the real life equivalent of throwing out an argument in its entirety because of a spelling mistake or a misplaced apostrophe, which we see all the time online.

Yeh,

I think I read recently that: most people listen to respond... they don't listen to listen.

We're all sinners I suppose.

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Re: Science under attack under Trump
Reply #77 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 2:03pm

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:49pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:37pm:

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:26pm:

See - theres that elephant again.

The rider would recognise a mistake by another person, the elephant demands it be called a malicious lie attributable directly to President Trump.

You're talking about approximation method!

Therefore I find it has it's merits as an argument, for sure! (If not an argumentive method, to be more for sure!)

Yes, the way i see it is that for meaning to be conveyed, while the speaker obviously needs to make every effort to clearly express themselves, but also the reader needs to want to understand.

Sadly, most are just looking for a green light to remain fixed in their preconceptions. Its the real life equivalent of throwing out an argument in its entirety because of a spelling mistake or a misplaced apostrophe, which we see all the time online.

Yeh,

I think I read recently that: most people listen to respond... they don't listen to listen.

We're all sinners I suppose.

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Re: Science under attack under Trump
Reply #78 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 4:08pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:27am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 10:24am:

any thing else i can help you with?

You could explain why you condone sexual assault.

I condone studying what works and what doesnt work in the real social dynamic of interacting with women.
Do so and you will discover that most beta male behaviour and most gentlemanly behaviour is creepy to women.
they wont admit that, but if you study real social dynmaics in the real world (ie, if you go out and interact with women), you will find that most of the mainstream advice to men on how to behave is completely wrong and you will have to rewrite the rule book.

essentially Trump may well be operating from a set of beliefs and behaviours which are more honest then the creepy and manipulative set of beliefs and behaviours that most men operate from.

What would YOU of all people know what women want. You work, play and sleep with horses.

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Re: Science under attack under Trump
Reply #79 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 4:11pm

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:09pm:

What constitutes a fact as oposed to an alternative fact?

That discernment is at the mercy of "the elephant".

That you would even ask such an absurd question is indicative of the maladjustment in your head. a fact is a TRUTH whereas an 'alternative fact' is fiction or lies dressed up in garb to confuse the gullible and stupid ie you.

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Reply #80 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 4:13pm

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:49pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:37pm:

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:26pm:

See - theres that elephant again.

The rider would recognise a mistake by another person, the elephant demands it be called a malicious lie attributable directly to President Trump.

You're talking about approximation method!

Therefore I find it has it's merits as an argument, for sure! (If not an argumentive method, to be more for sure!)

Yes, the way i see it is that for meaning to be conveyed, while the speaker obviously needs to make every effort to clearly express themselves, but also the reader needs to want to understand.

Sadly, most are just looking for a green light to remain fixed in their preconceptions. Its the real life equivalent of throwing out an argument in its entirety because of a spelling mistake or a misplaced apostrophe, which we see all the time online.

How does the thrice-stated Bowling Green Massacre lie in any way the responsibility of the hearer/reader to understand? it was a lie, pure and simple.

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Reply #81 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:03pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 4:11pm:

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:09pm:

What constitutes a fact as oposed to an alternative fact?

That discernment is at the mercy of "the elephant".

That you would even ask such an absurd question is indicative of the maladjustment in your head. a fact is a TRUTH whereas an 'alternative fact' is fiction or lies dressed up in garb to confuse the gullible and stupid ie you.

Aaaand longy doesnt get it.

Surprise surprise.

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Re: Science under attack under Trump
Reply #82 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:05pm

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 4:11pm:

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 1:09pm:

What constitutes a fact as oposed to an alternative fact?

That discernment is at the mercy of "the elephant".

That you would even ask such an absurd question is indicative of the maladjustment in your head. a fact is a TRUTH whereas an 'alternative fact' is fiction or lies dressed up in garb to confuse the gullible and stupid ie you.

Aaaand longy doesnt get it.

Surprise surprise.

how lame are you... If you 'get it' then explain to us all how an aternative fact is anything other than an error or a lie.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Science under attack under Trump Reply #83 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:10pm DRAH got it no trouble, while you still havent even reached step one.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Science under attack under Trump Reply #84 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:20pm ... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:10pm: DRAH got it no trouble, while you still havent even reached step one. possibly worst example you could quote. He is insane from drug overdose. Care to try and convince an intelligent and NON-insane fellow poster or are you going to rely on hyperbole instead?
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Science under attack under Trump Reply #85 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:30pm longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:20pm: Care to try and convince an intelligent and NON-insane fellow poster Surely you're not referring to yourself?
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Re: Science under attack under Trump
Reply #86 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:31pm

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:20pm:

Care to try and convince an intelligent and NON-insane fellow poster

Surely you're not referring to yourself?

its funny watching you refuse to answer. Its all we need to know that you dont have an answer - or at least one that doesnt involve 'alternative facts'

LOL

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Reply #87 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:37pm

I certainly do have an answer to my own question, it's just that you won't like it.

Put it this way - a fact is something you agree with, from a source hostile to the symbol of your hatred.

Alternative fact - something neutral or positive towards the symbol of your hatred, or from a source you don't like.

Since you cant or wont confirm the absolute truth of a statement, instead relying on various sources of varying degrees of bias, you instead accept as incontrovertible fact the one that more neatly fits with your prejudices.

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Re: Science under attack under Trump
Reply #88 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:44pm

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:37pm:

I certainly do have an answer to my own question, it's just that you won't like it.

Put it this way - a fact is something you agree with, from a source hostile to the symbol of your hatred.

Alternative fact - something neutral or positive towards the symbol of your hatred, or from a source you don't like.

Since you cant or wont confirm the absolute truth of a statement, instead relying on various sources of varying degrees of bias, you instead accept as incontrovertible fact the one that more neatly fits with your prejudices.

what utter rubbish. A FACT IS A FACT regardless of context or opinion. For example, there was NO bowling green massacre and not 'alternative fact' will change that.

you are a nutter... but entertaining as so many fools can be.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Science under attack under Trump Reply #89 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:45pm longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:44pm: A FACT IS A FACT Genius.
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