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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Science under attack under Trump Reply #90 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:48pm ... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:45pm: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:44pm: A FACT IS A FACT Genius. and yet to you, a fact is subjective and alterable by context or desire. idiot.
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Re: Science under attack under Trump
Reply #91 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:17pm

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 12:04pm:

No, not really.

The true chain of "logic" at play here is:

I dont like Trump

Therefore

I will accept any accusation levelled at him.

Sure, I understand that which is why I will wait until there is evidence for things like the claims of child abuse etc, but this isn't an accusation against him, this was a boastful admission from the man himself.

I'm sure it's been covered here before and to death, and I'm sure it just ended with his supporters unwilling to accept what he said, or will dismiss it as locker room talk or "what he meant was" etc.

If that's the case, this is a pointless exercise.

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Reply #92 - Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:32pm

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:37pm:

I certainly do have an answer to my own question, it's just that you won't like it.

Put it this way - a fact is something you agree with, from a source hostile to the symbol of your hatred.

Alternative fact - something neutral or positive towards the symbol of your hatred, or from a source you don't like.

Since you cant or wont confirm the absolute truth of a statement, instead relying on various sources of varying degrees of bias, you instead accept as incontrovertible fact the one that more neatly fits with your prejudices.

So was there a Bowling green massacre?

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #93 - Feb 12^th, 2017 at 12:53pm

The President is a profoundly anti-intellectual man, someone who has no idea what wind is, who thinks vaccines cause autism, and who often thought that climate change is an international conspiracy specifically designed to hurt the United States.

That last one would make a good movie.

97% of the world's scientists come up with the global warming hoax but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires and oil companies.

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Quoth the Raven "Nevermore"

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Reply #94 - Feb 12^th, 2017 at 1:00pm

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

The President is a profoundly anti-intellectual man, someone who has no idea what wind is, who thinks vaccines cause autism, and who often thought that climate change is an international conspiracy specifically designed to hurt the United States.

That last one would make a good movie.

97% of the world's scientists come up with the global warming hoax but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires and oil companies.

Yeah, but you believe the 97% mantra. Although Obama was sure it was 99%, Of course he was also trying to visit 58 American states.

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Reply #95 - Feb 12^th, 2017 at 6:06pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2017 at 5:37pm:

I certainly do have an answer to my own question, it's just that you won't like it.

Put it this way - a fact is something you agree with, from a source hostile to the symbol of your hatred.

Alternative fact - something neutral or positive towards the symbol of your hatred, or from a source you don't like.

Since you cant or wont confirm the absolute truth of a statement, instead relying on various sources of varying degrees of bias, you instead accept as incontrovertible fact the one that more neatly fits with your prejudices.

So was there a Bowling green massacre?

Honky wont answer that. He doesnt even have the decency to be embarrassed by the claim.

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Reply #96 - Feb 12^th, 2017 at 10:50pm

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

The President is a profoundly anti-intellectual man, someone who has no idea what wind is, who thinks vaccines cause autism, and who often thought that climate change is an international conspiracy specifically designed to hurt the United States.

That last one would make a good movie.

97% of the world's scientists come up with the global warming hoax but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires and oil companies.

Yeah, but you believe the 97% mantra

Yeah because it's backed up by science.

Does this mean you fall in the 3%?

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Quoth the Raven "Nevermore"

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Reply #97 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 1:18am

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 10:50pm:

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

The President is a profoundly anti-intellectual man, someone who has no idea what wind is, who thinks vaccines cause autism, and who often thought that climate change is an international conspiracy specifically designed to hurt the United States.

That last one would make a good movie.

97% of the world's scientists come up with the global warming hoax but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires and oil companies.

Yeah, but you believe the 97% mantra

Yeah because it's backed up by science.

Does this mean you fall in the 3%?

When science mixes with politics the results are generally lies.
Trump is trying to separate the two - he should be applauded.

Truth is scientists do not know whats causing global warming or even if its happening.

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Reply #98 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 2:30am

Richdude wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 1:18am:

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 10:50pm:

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

The President is a profoundly anti-intellectual man, someone who has no idea what wind is, who thinks vaccines cause autism, and who often thought that climate change is an international conspiracy specifically designed to hurt the United States.

That last one would make a good movie.

97% of the world's scientists come up with the global warming hoax but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires and oil companies.

Yeah, but you believe the 97% mantra

Yeah because it's backed up by science.

Does this mean you fall in the 3%?

When science mixes with politics the results are generally lies.
Trump is trying to separate the two - he should be applauded.

Truth is scientists do not know whats causing global warming or even if its happening.

So peer reviewed science is a lie, but a plucky billionaire named Trump with zero scientific knowledge is going to get to the bottom of this issue?

Ok let's assume that global warming, more specifically man made global warming, is a myth. Should we as responsible human beings at least act like it's a real thing. Yeah if we're wrong oh well, live and learn. But if we're right then by Odin we need to act quickly. The effects could be devastating to our society.

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Re: Science under attack under Trump
Reply #99 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:23am

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 10:50pm:

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

The President is a profoundly anti-intellectual man, someone who has no idea what wind is, who thinks vaccines cause autism, and who often thought that climate change is an international conspiracy specifically designed to hurt the United States.

That last one would make a good movie.

97% of the world's scientists come up with the global warming hoax but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires and oil companies.

Yeah, but you believe the 97% mantra

Yeah because it's backed up by science.

Does this mean you fall in the 3%?

The '97%' claim has long since been debunked and a more thorough - and peer-reviewed - study found the figure at around 30%. The rest simply state that they dont know.

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Reply #100 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:32am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:23am:

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 10:50pm:

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

The President is a profoundly anti-intellectual man, someone who has no idea what wind is, who thinks vaccines cause autism, and who often thought that climate change is an international conspiracy specifically designed to hurt the United States.

That last one would make a good movie.

97% of the world's scientists come up with the global warming hoax but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires and oil companies.

Yeah, but you believe the 97% mantra

Yeah because it's backed up by science.

Does this mean you fall in the 3%?

The '97%' claim has long since been debunked and a more thorough - and peer-reviewed - study found the figure at around 30%. The rest simply state that they dont know.

But didnt a large proportion of those say it was likely?

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #101 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:40am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:23am:

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 10:50pm:

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

The President is a profoundly anti-intellectual man, someone who has no idea what wind is, who thinks vaccines cause autism, and who often thought that climate change is an international conspiracy specifically designed to hurt the United States.

That last one would make a good movie.

97% of the world's scientists come up with the global warming hoax but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires and oil companies.

Yeah, but you believe the 97% mantra

Yeah because it's backed up by science.

Does this mean you fall in the 3%?

The '97%' claim has long since been debunked ...

Indeed, it has.

I'm surprised that people are still trying to push that particular "argument".

Perhaps they're fans of Goebbels.

"The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed."

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Reply #102 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:52am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:23am:

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 10:50pm:

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

The President is a profoundly anti-intellectual man, someone who has no idea what wind is, who thinks vaccines cause autism, and who often thought that climate change is an international conspiracy specifically designed to hurt the United States.

That last one would make a good movie.

97% of the world's scientists come up with the global warming hoax but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires and oil companies.

Yeah, but you believe the 97% mantra

Yeah because it's backed up by science.

Does this mean you fall in the 3%?

The '97%' claim has long since been debunked and a more thorough - and peer-reviewed - study found the figure at around 30%. The rest simply state that they dont know.

But didnt a large proportion of those say it was likely?

no the vast majority said they simply didnt know. I dont remember the source, but Ive given up saving these things because the climate hysterics disbelieve anything they dont like so the purpose in showing proof is limited.

Also, given the massive failure of climate predictions it would make sense most reputable scientists would back away from making strong claims that would be most likely proven wrong. we simply dont know .1% of what we need to know to make accurate predictions and to lay blame.

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Reply #103 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:54am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:52am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:23am:

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 10:50pm:

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

The President is a profoundly anti-intellectual man, someone who has no idea what wind is, who thinks vaccines cause autism, and who often thought that climate change is an international conspiracy specifically designed to hurt the United States.

That last one would make a good movie.

97% of the world's scientists come up with the global warming hoax but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires and oil companies.

Yeah, but you believe the 97% mantra

Yeah because it's backed up by science.

Does this mean you fall in the 3%?

The '97%' claim has long since been debunked and a more thorough - and peer-reviewed - study found the figure at around 30%. The rest simply state that they dont know.

But didnt a large proportion of those say it was likely?

no the vast majority said they simply didnt know. I dont remember the source, but Ive given up saving these things because the climate hysterics disbelieve anything they dont like so the purpose in showing proof is limited.

Also, given the massive failure of climate predictions it would make sense most reputable scientists would back away from making strong claims that would be most likely proven wrong. we simply dont know .1% of what we need to know to make accurate predictions and to lay blame.

What I was trying to intimate is that its an example of Dunning-Kruger. IN that scientists who know a fair bit know that there are automatically some errors and things we dont know, so don't express certainty.

The less you know the more confident you are.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: Science under attack under Trump
Reply #104 - Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:58am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:52am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 10:23am:

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 10:50pm:

lee wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

Raven wrote on Feb 12^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

The President is a profoundly anti-intellectual man, someone who has no idea what wind is, who thinks vaccines cause autism, and who often thought that climate change is an international conspiracy specifically designed to hurt the United States.

That last one would make a good movie.

97% of the world's scientists come up with the global warming hoax but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires and oil companies.

Yeah, but you believe the 97% mantra

Yeah because it's backed up by science.

Does this mean you fall in the 3%?

The '97%' claim has long since been debunked and a more thorough - and peer-reviewed - study found the figure at around 30%. The rest simply state that they dont know.

But didnt a large proportion of those say it was likely?

no the vast majority said they simply didnt know. I dont remember the source, but Ive given up saving these things because the climate hysterics disbelieve anything they dont like so the purpose in showing proof is limited.

Also, given the massive failure of climate predictions it would make sense most reputable scientists would back away from making strong claims that would be most likely proven wrong. we simply dont know .1% of what we need to know to make accurate predictions and to lay blame.

What I was trying to intimate is that its an example of Dunning-Kruger. IN that scientists who know a fair bit know that there are automatically some errors and things we dont know, so don't express certainty.

The less you know the more confident you are.

exactly. We know a great deal about the structure of matter and yet you will not find a physicist making bold claims about what the future holds because as soon as we discover one thing, we uncover 100 more unknowns.

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