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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #165 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:00am

cods wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 6:42am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:23am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:20am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:19am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:18am:

0.0068% is not dangerous.

Are you seriously saying that pregnancy and childbirth are without complication?

What I am saying is that childbirth is not the danger to the mother your argument needs.
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PREGNANCY and childbirth.

And i note you nver answered my earlier question.

Will the father be prepared to compensate the mother for the time she needs to take off work? For any employment opportunities or advancements that she may forgo by neding to takee time off work?

i must look at this from an entirely different angle..

if we do want equal rights,.. then we have to be prepared for the consequences of equal rights..

if the 'dad' wins the right to stop the abortion..then he must also take time off from work..to prepare the nest..he must also be prepared to be a fulltime dad...

Exactly. If the dad wants to keep the baby but the mother doesn't, and if the father wins the right to stop the abortion, then all responsibilities and costs should rest with the father.

Unfortunately if this was pointed out to many fathers... watch their objections to an abortion disappear.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #166 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:08am

Raven wrote on Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

cods wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 6:42am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:23am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:20am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:19am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:18am:

0.0068% is not dangerous.

Are you seriously saying that pregnancy and childbirth are without complication?

What I am saying is that childbirth is not the danger to the mother your argument needs.
0.0068%

PREGNANCY and childbirth.

And i note you nver answered my earlier question.

Will the father be prepared to compensate the mother for the time she needs to take off work? For any employment opportunities or advancements that she may forgo by neding to takee time off work?

i must look at this from an entirely different angle..

if we do want equal rights,.. then we have to be prepared for the consequences of equal rights..

if the 'dad' wins the right to stop the abortion..then he must also take time off from work..to prepare the nest..he must also be prepared to be a fulltime dad...

Exactly. If the dad wants to keep the baby but the mother doesn't, and if the father wins the right to stop the abortion, then all responsibilities and costs should rest with the father.

Unfortunately if this was pointed out to many fathers... watch their objections to an abortion disappear.

I would not be one of them. I take the consequences of my ejaculations that create another human quite seriously. I don't think abortion is a good thing but I know it is needed in some cases. I also think Grandparents should have a say if they want to take the offspring.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #167 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:17am

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 10:12pm:

Raven wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:57pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:30pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:29pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:26pm:

New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions

About time.

Sp women have no sovereignty over their own bodies?

Raven is pro-choice but a father should get a say.

If the father truely cares and wants her to have the baby but she does not, then it should be explaind to he will be solely responsible for the care of this child.

Unfortunately you will probably find that their objections will disappear.

So you think a woman should be forced to carry a baby to term then deliver it?

Against her will?

I agree that the father should get a say but thee ultimate decision is the woman's.

It takes two to do the horizontal tango. And Raven is still undecided on abortion as a means of contraception.

Unfortunately the rights of the father don't carry as much weight as the mother's. You see it in Family Court all the time.

Now should the father get an automatic veto? No, as you say it's the woman's body, but the life growing inside her is as much his as it is hers.

Raven is reminded of an alleged custody battle between a mother and father.

The mother was pushing for sole custody and her argument was that since she carried the child and gave birth to the child she had more right to care for the child than the father.

The father argued "I walk up to a vending machine and put my coin in the vending machine's slot and a chocolate comes out, does the chocolate belong to me or the vending machine?"

This is an issue that needs balance, on the one hand it is the woman's body and she has a right to do with her body as she sees fit.

On the other the father has a right to the life of his child.

Whose right is more important? This is the crux and minds greater then yours or Raven's will struggle for eternity to find the answer.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #168 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:20am

Raven wrote on Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:17am:

The mother was pushing for sole custody and her argument was that since she carried the child and gave birth to the child she had more right to care for the child than the father.

The father argued "I walk up to a vending machine and put my coin in the vending machine's slot and a chocolate comes out, does the chocolate belong to me or the vending machine?"

This is an issue that needs balance, on the one hand it is the woman's body and she has a right to do with her body as she sees fit.

That made me laugh! Instead of going to bed Setanta might grab a coffee and read more of Ravens words.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #169 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:23am

Setanta wrote on Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:08am:

Raven wrote on Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

cods wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 6:42am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:23am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:20am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:19am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:18am:

0.0068% is not dangerous.

Are you seriously saying that pregnancy and childbirth are without complication?

What I am saying is that childbirth is not the danger to the mother your argument needs.
0.0068%

PREGNANCY and childbirth.

And i note you nver answered my earlier question.

Will the father be prepared to compensate the mother for the time she needs to take off work? For any employment opportunities or advancements that she may forgo by neding to takee time off work?

i must look at this from an entirely different angle..

if we do want equal rights,.. then we have to be prepared for the consequences of equal rights..

if the 'dad' wins the right to stop the abortion..then he must also take time off from work..to prepare the nest..he must also be prepared to be a fulltime dad...

Exactly. If the dad wants to keep the baby but the mother doesn't, and if the father wins the right to stop the abortion, then all responsibilities and costs should rest with the father.

Unfortunately if this was pointed out to many fathers... watch their objections to an abortion disappear.

I would not be one of them. I take the consequences of my ejaculations that create another human quite seriously. I don't think abortion is a good thing but I know it is needed in some cases. I also think Grandparents should have a say if they want to take the offspring.

Neither is Raven, he knows the risks of sex and is prepared to to accept the consequences. He already has once.

Not sure about the grandparents though. Their opinion should be considered, but not be a deciding factor.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #170 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:30am

Raven wrote on Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:23am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:08am:

Raven wrote on Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

cods wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 6:42am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:23am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:20am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:19am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:18am:

0.0068% is not dangerous.

Are you seriously saying that pregnancy and childbirth are without complication?

What I am saying is that childbirth is not the danger to the mother your argument needs.
0.0068%

PREGNANCY and childbirth.

And i note you nver answered my earlier question.

Will the father be prepared to compensate the mother for the time she needs to take off work? For any employment opportunities or advancements that she may forgo by neding to takee time off work?

i must look at this from an entirely different angle..

if we do want equal rights,.. then we have to be prepared for the consequences of equal rights..

if the 'dad' wins the right to stop the abortion..then he must also take time off from work..to prepare the nest..he must also be prepared to be a fulltime dad...

Exactly. If the dad wants to keep the baby but the mother doesn't, and if the father wins the right to stop the abortion, then all responsibilities and costs should rest with the father.

Unfortunately if this was pointed out to many fathers... watch their objections to an abortion disappear.

I would not be one of them. I take the consequences of my ejaculations that create another human quite seriously. I don't think abortion is a good thing but I know it is needed in some cases. I also think Grandparents should have a say if they want to take the offspring.

Neither is Raven, he knows the risks of sex and is prepared to to accept the consequences. He already has once.

Not sure about the grandparents though. Their opinion should be considered, but not be a deciding factor.

It is the grandparents grandchildren being disposed of. If the grandparent, or any family member wants the child, it should be so and not flushed.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #171 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:38am

Setanta wrote on Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:20am:

Raven wrote on Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:17am:

The mother was pushing for sole custody and her argument was that since she carried the child and gave birth to the child she had more right to care for the child than the father.

The father argued "I walk up to a vending machine and put my coin in the vending machine's slot and a chocolate comes out, does the chocolate belong to me or the vending machine?"

This is an issue that needs balance, on the one hand it is the woman's body and she has a right to do with her body as she sees fit.

That made me laugh! Instead of going to bed Setanta might grab a coffee and read more of Ravens words.

You see all types in the legal system.

Bit off topic but one day Raven was doing a prison visit in the remand centre in Perth.

Raven was interviewing an inmate in one of the interview rooms, just Raven and the inmate sitting at a table, no glass screen or anything, not even a guard in the room nor was the inmate shackled.

Ten minutes in the inmate looks at Raven with concern "Don't look now" he says " but there is a f.ucking big spider crawling up your arm"

Of course there was no spider.

So very casually, Raven brushes his arm to remove the "spider"

"Don't flick it at me you cu#t" and he's gone to lift the table.

Thankfully a guard was outside and proceeded to step in the room.

The bloke is ballistic Raven steps out as four other guards rush to contain him.

First time on a prison visit and Raven shuts down the interview area for over an hour because a junkie saw an imaginary spider.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #172 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:45am

Raven wrote on Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:38am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:20am:

Raven wrote on Feb 5^th, 2017 at 2:17am:

The mother was pushing for sole custody and her argument was that since she carried the child and gave birth to the child she had more right to care for the child than the father.

The father argued "I walk up to a vending machine and put my coin in the vending machine's slot and a chocolate comes out, does the chocolate belong to me or the vending machine?"

This is an issue that needs balance, on the one hand it is the woman's body and she has a right to do with her body as she sees fit.

That made me laugh! Instead of going to bed Setanta might grab a coffee and read more of Ravens words.

You see all types in the legal system.

Bit off topic but one day Raven was doing a prison visit in the remand centre in Perth.

Raven was interviewing an inmate in one of the interview rooms, just Raven and the inmate sitting at a table, no glass screen or anything, not even a guard in the room nor was the inmate shackled.

Ten minutes in the inmate looks at Raven with concern "Don't look now" he says " but there is a f.ucking big spider crawling up your arm"

Of course there was no spider.

So very casually, Raven brushes his arm to remove the "spider"

"Don't flick it at me you cu#t" and he's gone to lift the table.

Thankfully a guard was outside and proceeded to step in the room.

The bloke is ballistic Raven steps out as four other guards rush to contain him.

First time on a prison visit and Raven shuts down the interview area for over an hour because a junkie saw an imaginary spider.

Raven has more self control than Setanta. Setanta would probably have fed him his own eyes and been out of a job.

Back on topic, if someone is willing to take on the child, the mother should carry it to term unless it's a threat to her life.

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