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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #120 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:06am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:57am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:53am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:51am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:48am:

And i maintain, a man should be able to opt out ... prior to coitus.

So can the sheila, love..... if she doesn't want to get pregnant she can always keep it in her panties.... but if she wishes to 'go it alone' - she is perfectly free to do so.......

No. A woman has the perfectly legal right to an abortion.

If he chooses to keep th child and further chooses to pursue it, the father is liable.

It's the law of the land.

Sh will still shoulder the vast majority of the burden. Whatever shee chooses.

What happened to nature?

That too.

You got it, Mothra.. she CHOOSES. So in all that when does HE get to choose? Roll Eyes

When he learns to grow his own babies.

Hopefully the man was intelligent enough to spread his seed with a reasonable woman with which h could negotiate .... if h just got hs end away with any random then he may just find there;s a price to pay.

Can't defeat human nature....... all we can do is regulate it .... and the issue here is HOW this particular part of human nature can be or should be regulated....

Women get pregnant from shagging... men give pregnancy from shagging - sounds like a perfectly even situation to me without all the window dressing ....

Is a woman NOT intelligent enough to spread her ova etc? Just asking.......

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #121 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:08am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:06am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:57am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:53am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:51am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:48am:

And i maintain, a man should be able to opt out ... prior to coitus.

So can the sheila, love..... if she doesn't want to get pregnant she can always keep it in her panties.... but if she wishes to 'go it alone' - she is perfectly free to do so.......

No. A woman has the perfectly legal right to an abortion.

If he chooses to keep th child and further chooses to pursue it, the father is liable.

It's the law of the land.

Sh will still shoulder the vast majority of the burden. Whatever shee chooses.

What happened to nature?

That too.

You got it, Mothra.. she CHOOSES. So in all that when does HE get to choose? Roll Eyes

When he learns to grow his own babies.

Hopefully the man was intelligent enough to spread his seed with a reasonable woman with which h could negotiate .... if h just got hs end away with any random then he may just find there;s a price to pay.

Can't defeat human nature....... all we can do is regulate it .... and the issue here is HOW this particular part of human nature can be or should be regulated....

Women get pregnant from shagging... pregnancy from shagging - sounds like a perfectly even situation to me without all the window dressing ....

Is a woman NOT intelligent enough to spread her ova etc? Just asking.......

Even? LOL!

Have you been going to the Rhino school of reasoning?

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #123 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:10am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:05am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:03am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

And the man's body has nothing to do with it... I could have sworn there was this little hard extension that matched this orifice ... but that was just an accident of nature....

Can the man put his life and body on the line by going through 9 months of pregnancy and then childbirth and then everything that coms after?

No?

Then the scales are tipped.

By nature.

Everything that come after, yes, indeed. Childbirth is not that life threatening in Australia or the US. I gave you the AU numbers, yet you would feel compelled to cross how many roads a day without a thought, drive how many miles etc?

Death in childbirth is not a major factor in this debate. Do you know anyone that has died in childbirth?

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #124 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:11am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:06am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:04am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

It's half the man's dna his choice.

Nope. Not until he can grow and birth his own babies.

Let me get this right.. if the DNA has nothing to do with it.... and accords no rights etc other than the right to pay....... why then is it a priority for the man to pay? I mean..... if his contribution is irrelevant to the process of birthing and the birthing is the ONLY aspect of the whole nine yards that counts ...... why does he have any responsibility?

Just asking.......... Lips Sealed

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #125 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:12am

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:10am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:05am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:03am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

And the man's body has nothing to do with it... I could have sworn there was this little hard extension that matched this orifice ... but that was just an accident of nature....

Can the man put his life and body on the line by going through 9 months of pregnancy and then childbirth and then everything that coms after?

No?

Then the scales are tipped.

By nature.

Everything that come after, yes, indeed. Childbirth is not that life threatening in Australia or the US. I gave you the AU numbers, yet you would feel compelled to cross how many roads a day without a thought, drive how many miles etc?

Death in childbirth is not a major factor in this debate.

I nearly died in both my childbirths. In the second pregnancy, i was told to get my affair in order.

It wsa a 21 week death watch.

The woman that had what i did before m died.

Don't you dare tell me its' easy.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #126 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:14am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:09am:

And ovas do not spread. It's a perfectly contained unit.

Plant your seed in it at your peril.

Each sperm cell is a fully enclosed DNA capsule..... the method and quantity of transmission of sperm and ovum is not relevant..... it is a fact of nature ..... and competition is fierce out in there for the individual sperm which contains variations on genetic qualities .... only ONE sperm makes contact with the mother ship..... so it is a one-on-one situation at the end.... actually I look at my children and see wonders...... they are both excellent.....

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #127 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:14am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:11am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:06am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:04am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

It's half the man's dna his choice.

Nope. Not until he can grow and birth his own babies.

Let me get this right.. if the DNA has nothing to do with it.... and accords no rights etc other than the right to pay....... why then is it a priority for the man to pay? I mean..... if his contribution is irrelevant to the process of birthing and the birthing is the ONLY aspect of the whole nine yards that counts ...... why does he have any responsibility?

Just asking.......... Lips Sealed

Just asking bullshit.

Who on earth said DNA wasn't important?

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #128 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:15am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:10am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:05am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:03am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

And the man's body has nothing to do with it... I could have sworn there was this little hard extension that matched this orifice ... but that was just an accident of nature....

Can the man put his life and body on the line by going through 9 months of pregnancy and then childbirth and then everything that coms after?

No?

Then the scales are tipped.

By nature.

Everything that come after, yes, indeed. Childbirth is not that life threatening in Australia or the US. I gave you the AU numbers, yet you would feel compelled to cross how many roads a day without a thought, drive how many miles etc?

Death in childbirth is not a major factor in this debate.

I nearly died in both my childbirths. In the second pregnancy, i was told to get my affair in order.

It wsa a 21 week death watch.

The woman that had what i did before m died.

Don't you dare tell me its' easy.

Nearly is not good enough. You didn't. Missed by "" that much, so did my wife with her bleeding, we are talking about childbirth in Au and it's a pretty safe thing to do.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #129 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:16am

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:15am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:10am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:05am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:03am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

And the man's body has nothing to do with it... I could have sworn there was this little hard extension that matched this orifice ... but that was just an accident of nature....

Can the man put his life and body on the line by going through 9 months of pregnancy and then childbirth and then everything that coms after?

No?

Then the scales are tipped.

By nature.

Everything that come after, yes, indeed. Childbirth is not that life threatening in Australia or the US. I gave you the AU numbers, yet you would feel compelled to cross how many roads a day without a thought, drive how many miles etc?

Death in childbirth is not a major factor in this debate.

I nearly died in both my childbirths. In the second pregnancy, i was told to get my affair in order.

It wsa a 21 week death watch.

The woman that had what i did before m died.

Don't you dare tell me its' easy.

Nearly is not good enough. You didn't. Missed by "" that much, so did my wife with her bleeding, we are talking about childbirth in Au and it's a pretty safe thing to do.

You think i'd go through that for someone else to be a parent?

You're tripping.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #130 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:17am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:10am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:05am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:03am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

And the man's body has nothing to do with it... I could have sworn there was this little hard extension that matched this orifice ... but that was just an accident of nature....

Can the man put his life and body on the line by going through 9 months of pregnancy and then childbirth and then everything that coms after?

No?

Then the scales are tipped.

By nature.

Everything that come after, yes, indeed. Childbirth is not that life threatening in Australia or the US. I gave you the AU numbers, yet you would feel compelled to cross how many roads a day without a thought, drive how many miles etc?

Death in childbirth is not a major factor in this debate.

I nearly died in both my childbirths. In the second pregnancy, i was told to get my affair in order.

It wsa a 21 week death watch.

The woman that had what i did before m died.

Don't you dare tell me its' easy.

Argh.. some women are of a weaker strand... perhaps they are shown to not be worthy of child-bearing.... in days of yore you would not have made it without the intervention of men doctors and scientists..... argh, aye......

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #131 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:18am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:16am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:15am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:10am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:05am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:03am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

And the man's body has nothing to do with it... I could have sworn there was this little hard extension that matched this orifice ... but that was just an accident of nature....

Can the man put his life and body on the line by going through 9 months of pregnancy and then childbirth and then everything that coms after?

No?

Then the scales are tipped.

By nature.

Everything that come after, yes, indeed. Childbirth is not that life threatening in Australia or the US. I gave you the AU numbers, yet you would feel compelled to cross how many roads a day without a thought, drive how many miles etc?

Death in childbirth is not a major factor in this debate.

I nearly died in both my childbirths. In the second pregnancy, i was told to get my affair in order.

It wsa a 21 week death watch.

The woman that had what i did before m died.

Don't you dare tell me its' easy.

Nearly is not good enough. You didn't. Missed by "" that much, so did my wife with her bleeding, we are talking about childbirth in Au and it's a pretty safe thing to do.

You think i'd go through that for someone else to be a parent?

You're tripping.

0.0068% is not dangerous unless you are one of that very small minority. Would you cross the road at those percentages?

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #132 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:18am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:17am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:10am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:05am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:03am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

And the man's body has nothing to do with it... I could have sworn there was this little hard extension that matched this orifice ... but that was just an accident of nature....

Can the man put his life and body on the line by going through 9 months of pregnancy and then childbirth and then everything that coms after?

No?

Then the scales are tipped.

By nature.

Everything that come after, yes, indeed. Childbirth is not that life threatening in Australia or the US. I gave you the AU numbers, yet you would feel compelled to cross how many roads a day without a thought, drive how many miles etc?

Death in childbirth is not a major factor in this debate.

I nearly died in both my childbirths. In the second pregnancy, i was told to get my affair in order.

It wsa a 21 week death watch.

The woman that had what i did before m died.

Don't you dare tell me its' easy.

Argh.. some women are of a weaker strand... perhaps they are shown to not be worthy of child-bearing.... in days of yore you would not have made it without the intervention of men doctors and scientists..... argh, aye......

Get f####d.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #133 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:18am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:16am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:15am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:10am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:05am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:03am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

And the man's body has nothing to do with it... I could have sworn there was this little hard extension that matched this orifice ... but that was just an accident of nature....

Can the man put his life and body on the line by going through 9 months of pregnancy and then childbirth and then everything that coms after?

No?

Then the scales are tipped.

By nature.

Everything that come after, yes, indeed. Childbirth is not that life threatening in Australia or the US. I gave you the AU numbers, yet you would feel compelled to cross how many roads a day without a thought, drive how many miles etc?

Death in childbirth is not a major factor in this debate.

I nearly died in both my childbirths. In the second pregnancy, i was told to get my affair in order.

It wsa a 21 week death watch.

The woman that had what i did before m died.

Don't you dare tell me its' easy.

Nearly is not good enough. You didn't. Missed by "" that much, so did my wife with her bleeding, we are talking about childbirth in Au and it's a pretty safe thing to do.

You think i'd go through that for someone else to be a parent?

You're tripping.

No - but you'd go through it for YOU to be a parent..........

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #134 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:19am

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:18am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:16am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:15am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:10am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:05am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:03am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

And the man's body has nothing to do with it... I could have sworn there was this little hard extension that matched this orifice ... but that was just an accident of nature....

Can the man put his life and body on the line by going through 9 months of pregnancy and then childbirth and then everything that coms after?

No?

Then the scales are tipped.

By nature.

Everything that come after, yes, indeed. Childbirth is not that life threatening in Australia or the US. I gave you the AU numbers, yet you would feel compelled to cross how many roads a day without a thought, drive how many miles etc?

Death in childbirth is not a major factor in this debate.

I nearly died in both my childbirths. In the second pregnancy, i was told to get my affair in order.

It wsa a 21 week death watch.

The woman that had what i did before m died.

Don't you dare tell me its' easy.

Nearly is not good enough. You didn't. Missed by "" that much, so did my wife with her bleeding, we are talking about childbirth in Au and it's a pretty safe thing to do.

You think i'd go through that for someone else to be a parent?

You're tripping.

0.0068% is not dangerous.

Are you seriously saying that pregnancy and childbirth are without complication?

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