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Reply #105 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:53am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:51am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:48am:

And i maintain, a man should be able to opt out ... prior to coitus.

So can the sheila, love..... if she doesn't want to get pregnant she can always keep it in her panties.... but if she wishes to 'go it alone' - she is perfectly free to do so.......

No. A woman has the perfectly legal right to an abortion.

If he chooses to keep th child and further chooses to pursue it, the father is liable.

It's the law of the land.

Sh will still shoulder the vast majority of the burden. Whatever shee chooses.

What happened to nature?

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #106 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:53am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:51am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:48am:

And i maintain, a man should be able to opt out ... prior to coitus.

So can the sheila, love..... if she doesn't want to get pregnant she can always keep it in her panties.... but if she wishes to 'go it alone' - she is perfectly free to do so.......

No. A woman has the perfectly legal right to an abortion.

If he chooses to keep th child and further chooses to pursue it, the father is liable.

It's the law of the land.

Sh will still shoulder the vast majority of the burden. Whatever shee chooses.

What happened to nature?

That too.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #107 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:53am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:51am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:48am:

And i maintain, a man should be able to opt out ... prior to coitus.

So can the sheila, love..... if she doesn't want to get pregnant she can always keep it in her panties.... but if she wishes to 'go it alone' - she is perfectly free to do so.......

No. A woman has the perfectly legal right to an abortion.

If he chooses to keep th child and further chooses to pursue it, the father is liable.

It's the law of the land.

Sh will still shoulder the vast majority of the burden. Whatever shee chooses.

Ah - so we fall back on 'the law of the land'! But the discussion is whether the current 'law of the land' is realistic, fair and viable..... so stating that persisting with the current situation holds no merit in the discussion...... and only leaves brute force.......... take it or we'll take it for you....

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16969 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions Reply #108 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am: That too. Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men.
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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #109 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:53am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:51am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:48am:

And i maintain, a man should be able to opt out ... prior to coitus.

So can the sheila, love..... if she doesn't want to get pregnant she can always keep it in her panties.... but if she wishes to 'go it alone' - she is perfectly free to do so.......

No. A woman has the perfectly legal right to an abortion.

If he chooses to keep th child and further chooses to pursue it, the father is liable.

It's the law of the land.

Sh will still shoulder the vast majority of the burden. Whatever shee chooses.

Ah - so we fall back on 'the law of the land'! But the discussion is whether the current 'law of the land' is realistic, fair and viable..... so stating that persisting with the current situation holds no merit in the discussion...... and only leaves brute force.......... take it or we'll take it for you....

Jesus.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #110 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:57am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:53am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:51am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:48am:

And i maintain, a man should be able to opt out ... prior to coitus.

So can the sheila, love..... if she doesn't want to get pregnant she can always keep it in her panties.... but if she wishes to 'go it alone' - she is perfectly free to do so.......

No. A woman has the perfectly legal right to an abortion.

If he chooses to keep th child and further chooses to pursue it, the father is liable.

It's the law of the land.

Sh will still shoulder the vast majority of the burden. Whatever shee chooses.

What happened to nature?

That too.

You got it, Mothra.. she CHOOSES. So in all that when does HE get to choose? Roll Eyes

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36073 Gender:	Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions Reply #111 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am: mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am: That too. Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers. No catch 22.
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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #112 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:57am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:53am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:51am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:48am:

And i maintain, a man should be able to opt out ... prior to coitus.

So can the sheila, love..... if she doesn't want to get pregnant she can always keep it in her panties.... but if she wishes to 'go it alone' - she is perfectly free to do so.......

No. A woman has the perfectly legal right to an abortion.

If he chooses to keep th child and further chooses to pursue it, the father is liable.

It's the law of the land.

Sh will still shoulder the vast majority of the burden. Whatever shee chooses.

What happened to nature?

That too.

You got it, Mothra.. she CHOOSES. So in all that when does HE get to choose? Roll Eyes

When he learns to grow his own babies.

Hopefully the man was intelligent enough to spread his seed with a reasonable woman with which h could negotiate .... if h just got hs end away with any random then he may just find there;s a price to pay.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #113 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice. There is no mans choice.
Why can't the father say that baby is half my sperm/dna and i want it terminated?

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #114 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #115 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:53am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:51am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:48am:

And i maintain, a man should be able to opt out ... prior to coitus.

So can the sheila, love..... if she doesn't want to get pregnant she can always keep it in her panties.... but if she wishes to 'go it alone' - she is perfectly free to do so.......

No. A woman has the perfectly legal right to an abortion.

If he chooses to keep th child and further chooses to pursue it, the father is liable.

It's the law of the land.

Sh will still shoulder the vast majority of the burden. Whatever shee chooses.

Ah - so we fall back on 'the law of the land'! But the discussion is whether the current 'law of the land' is realistic, fair and viable..... so stating that persisting with the current situation holds no merit in the discussion...... and only leaves brute force.......... take it or we'll take it for you....

Jesus.

You've been reading my latest short story..... Jesus is the son of my principal character and the God named Jenovah - or Jenny for short....

And I ain't smokin' nothin', babe..... not my style....

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #116 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:03am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

And the man's body has nothing to do with it... I could have sworn there was this little hard extension that matched this orifice ... but that was just an accident of nature....

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #117 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:04am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

It's half the man's dna his choice.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #118 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:05am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:03am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

And the man's body has nothing to do with it... I could have sworn there was this little hard extension that matched this orifice ... but that was just an accident of nature....

Can the man put his life and body on the line by going through 9 months of pregnancy and then childbirth and then everything that coms after?

No?

Then the scales are tipped.

By nature.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #119 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:06am

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:04am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am: