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Reply #15 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:41pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:32pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:29pm:

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The Court ordered stays & injunctions only affect a small percentage of those held, & they are only temporary, those who were required to return to their place of departure, will eventually have to depart.....No permanent Court orders were made, nor were any being contemplated to put in force.

As soon as the few bumps are ironed out, & the stays have expired, President Trump's Orders will be carried out with less fanfare & mishap........but carried out they will be.

You seem to be blissfully unaware that a lot of countries -like Australia - have already arranged exemptions to this silly edict. So it is certainly being altered. And the court made a TEMPORARY stay while further legal attempts will be made to render it or parts of it unconstitutional via the Supreme Court.

So the battle against the Fuehrer i already underway.

Well, until ruled Unconstitutional, which I sincerely doubt even with only an 8 member court.....a 4-4 deadlock does not render a law unconstitutional, so the Presidential Orders will remain the law.....& enforced to their fullest extent.

President Trump has vowed not to back down, so if one order fails, another, then another, then another will follow infinitum.

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Reply #16 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 7:15pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:49pm:

Makes no sense Mechanic. Sack the expert people you have to advise you on expert matters way beyond your own ken, because you don't like the advice. Yeas.

there was no advice Aussie..

she took it upon herself to go over the head of the President and his Executive orders...

I'd have sacked the bitch as well....

Bloody Obama stooge.. Angry

It is her job to choose to defend or not defend a case based on merit, not who put it forward.

In her view the legislation was on very shaky ground and probably not legal, she would have been breaching her oath of office had she chosen to defend the case.

The job or the Attorney-General is not to please the President or to rubber stamp what he puts forward.

The worlds worst ever President has behaved badly and embarrassed himself yet again.

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Reply #18 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 8:39pm

Raven wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 8:20pm:

Anybody else think Spicer looks like the bloke who been infected in a zombie apocalypse movie but is keeping it hidden from the rest of the group.

Nah.

Just not taking the usual shite any more. Shocking to all the guardianistas and fairfaxers but not to the well-adjusted.

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Reply #19 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 8:54pm

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:42pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:27pm:

YOU'RE FIRED!!!
Angry

I'd hold the laughter for a few days... Sacking (or persecuting) people who turn out to have moral fibre is the first stab of a political suicide...

Ms Yates 'has betrayed the Department of Justice by refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens of the United States'.

If she's acted on good conscience (as her post requires) then she has not betrayed the Department of Justice, she has defied an errant President, not dissimilar to Elliot Richardson's resignation as Richard Nixon's Attorney-General...

History proved Richardson right.

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Reply #20 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 8:57pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:42pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:27pm:

YOU'RE FIRED!!!
Angry

I'd hold the laughter for a few days... Sacking (or persecuting) people who turn out to have moral fibre is the first stab of a political suicide...

Ms Yates 'has betrayed the Department of Justice by refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens of the United States'.

If she's acted on good conscience (as her post requires) then she has not betrayed the Department of Justice, she has defied an errant President, not dissimilar to Elliot Richardson's resignation as Richard Nixon's Attorney-General...

History proved Richardson right.

Don't need 'history' in this matter. She was vindicated immediately by the Court. Wonder of Trump will now move to sack the Judge....if he can.

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Reply #21 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:05pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 8:57pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:42pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:27pm:

YOU'RE FIRED!!!
Angry

I'd hold the laughter for a few days... Sacking (or persecuting) people who turn out to have moral fibre is the first stab of a political suicide...

Ms Yates 'has betrayed the Department of Justice by refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens of the United States'.

If she's acted on good conscience (as her post requires) then she has not betrayed the Department of Justice, she has defied an errant President, not dissimilar to Elliot Richardson's resignation as Richard Nixon's Attorney-General...

History proved Richardson right.

Don't need 'history' in this matter. She was vindicated immediately by the Court. Wonder of Trump will now move to sack the Judge....if he can.

True, history is not the arbiter, but it is the chronicler of American sensibility...

And Americans are usually deeply impressed by the 'lone warrior' who peacefully stands up for what is right...

History may record this as the first death knell of the Trump Administration.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Donald Trump sacks acting Attorney-General.. Reply #22 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:16pm If this plays out the way it might, then Justice Department employees may walk out on strike or through mass resignations... State Dept. Officials Should Quit if They Disagree With Trump, White House Warns https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/31/us/politics/sean-spicer-state-dept-travel-ban...
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Reply #24 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:23pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:42pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:27pm:

YOU'RE FIRED!!!
Angry

I'd hold the laughter for a few days... Sacking (or persecuting) people who turn out to have moral fibre is the first stab of a political suicide...

Ms Yates 'has betrayed the Department of Justice by refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens of the United States'.

If she's acted on good conscience (as her post requires) then she has not betrayed the Department of Justice, she has defied an errant President, not dissimilar to Elliot Richardson's resignation as Richard Nixon's Attorney-General...

History proved Richardson right.

Fine.

Still, a LAWFUL directive. If you can't serve the lawful government and its lawful directives, go. You are not an elected official, so you can go.

She should have resigned, if she wanted to be honourable. Waiting to be sacked just shows her to be the poseur she is.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Donald Trump sacks acting Attorney-General.. Reply #25 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:24pm How long before Congress covertly asks Pence to ready himself for the top job... Or has it happened already?
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Reply #26 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:27pm

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:23pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:42pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:27pm:

YOU'RE FIRED!!!
Angry

I'd hold the laughter for a few days... Sacking (or persecuting) people who turn out to have moral fibre is the first stab of a political suicide...

Ms Yates 'has betrayed the Department of Justice by refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens of the United States'.

If she's acted on good conscience (as her post requires) then she has not betrayed the Department of Justice, she has defied an errant President, not dissimilar to Elliot Richardson's resignation as Richard Nixon's Attorney-General...

History proved Richardson right.

Fine.

Still, a LAWFUL directive. If you can't serve the lawful government and its lawful directives, go. You are not an elected official, so you can go.

She should have resigned, if she wanted to be honourable. Waiting to be sacked just shows her to be the poseur she is.

The Court said it was not a lawful directive. Why don't you understand that?

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Reply #27 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:28pm

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:23pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:42pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:27pm:

YOU'RE FIRED!!!
Angry

I'd hold the laughter for a few days... Sacking (or persecuting) people who turn out to have moral fibre is the first stab of a political suicide...

Ms Yates 'has betrayed the Department of Justice by refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens of the United States'.

If she's acted on good conscience (as her post requires) then she has not betrayed the Department of Justice, she has defied an errant President, not dissimilar to Elliot Richardson's resignation as Richard Nixon's Attorney-General...

History proved Richardson right.

Fine.

Still, a LAWFUL directive. If you can't serve the lawful government and its lawful directives, go. You are not an elected official, so you can go.

She should have resigned, if she wanted to be honourable. Waiting to be sacked just shows her to be the poseur she is.

OK... But maybe, unlike Richardson, she wants history to remember her as one who defied an errant President...

Either way, Trump has made an enemy out of his own choice for Attorney-General.

So what does that say of the reason he chose her? Not for her integrity, but for her compliancy?

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Reply #29 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:31pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 9:23pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 6:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:42pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:27pm:

YOU'RE FIRED!!!
Angry

I'd hold the laughter for a few days... Sacking (or persecuting) people who turn out to have moral fibre is the first stab of a political suicide...

Ms Yates 'has betrayed the Department of Justice by refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens of the United States'.

If she's acted on good conscience (as her post requires) then she has not betrayed the Department of Justice, she has defied an errant President, not dissimilar to Elliot Richardson's resignation as Richard Nixon's Attorney-General...

History proved Richardson right.

Fine.

Still, a LAWFUL directive. If you can't serve the lawful government and its lawful directives, go. You are not an elected official, so you can go.

She should have resigned, if she wanted to be honourable. Waiting to be sacked just shows her to be the poseur she is.

OK... But maybe, unlike Richardson, she wants history to remember her as one who defied an errant President...

Either way, Trump has made an enemy out of his own choice for Attorney-General.

So what does that say of the reason he chose her? Not for her integrity, but for her compliancy?

Obama picked her you dumb koont.

She is the acting AG, his pick is Jeff Sessions.

Does that change your suspicions of why she was chosen?

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