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Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Reply #60 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:49pm

miketrees wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 10:40am:

I you were bringing Muslims from certain Countries into your own Country as an act of good will. Would you - continue to do this practice if there was a definite probability that a certain percentage of those you brought in as an act of kindness, would then set about carrying out the declared Jihad against all Western Countries.

This is an example of common sense.

There are hysterical sections of society that can not tolerate common sense.

The US is a prime target for the inbred loonies.

Yes its bad luck for the non loon muslims,

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Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Reply #62 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 7:22pm

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 8:12pm:

There should be a total and indefinite ban on every country that has any religious discrimination statute or evidence of such extra-judicial practice. They are either civilised or they are not.

That a seemingly intelligent person would use such logic is simply astounding.

Do you think just maybe the people who would seek to abandon such a country and start a new life in a free and democratic country might not have the same 'uncivilised' values? Maybe??

Its literally as stupid as saying someone fleeing persecution shouldn't be allowed in on the basis they are from a country that carries out persecution. Yeah I know, idiotic right?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Reply #63 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 8:11pm

Panther wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:49pm:

miketrees wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 10:40am:

I you were bringing Muslims from certain Countries into your own Country as an act of good will. Would you - continue to do this practice if there was a definite probability that a certain percentage of those you brought in as an act of kindness, would then set about carrying out the declared Jihad against all Western Countries.

This is an example of common sense.

There are hysterical sections of society that can not tolerate common sense.

The US is a prime target for the inbred loonies.

Yes its bad luck for the non loon muslims,

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aMyxtwTQT9c/VlzYPJz0xsI/AAAAAAAAQqE/l5wav-Fzoec/s1600/...

Excellent Panther..

you couldn't put it any more simpler for the Daft Leftists...

if they can't understand that then they may as well take themselves out of the gene pool...

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Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Reply #64 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 8:13pm

That a seemingly intelligent person would use such logic is simply astounding.

Do you think just maybe the people who would seek to abandon such a country and start a new life in a free and democratic country might not have the same 'uncivilised' values? Maybe??

Its literally as stupid as saying someone fleeing persecution shouldn't be allowed in on the basis they are from a country that carries out persecution. Yeah I know, idiotic right?

Can not fault your logic Gander and it certainly explains all the bombing murders in Europe

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Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Reply #65 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 9:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 7:22pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 8:12pm:

There should be a total and indefinite ban on every country that has any religious discrimination statute or evidence of such extra-judicial practice. They are either civilised or they are not.

That a seemingly intelligent person would use such logic is simply astounding.

Do you think just maybe the people who would seek to abandon such a country and start a new life in a free and democratic country might not have the same 'uncivilised' values? Maybe??

Its literally as stupid as saying someone fleeing persecution shouldn't be allowed in on the basis they are from a country that carries out persecution. Yeah I know, idiotic right?

I do not see evidence of these people trying to improve their countries.

I see evidence of these people abandoning their countries and wreacking the same kind of havock on their adoptive countries that they were fleeing. I see no evidence of positive contribution By Islamics to any Western society.

I do not trust you, I do not believe in your honesty. I cannot tell you from the guys who drive truck into crowds. There is no way of separating you from the murderers.

What are you going to do about that?i

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Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Reply #66 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 11:31pm

Frank wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

[@gandalf]

......I do not trust you, I do not believe in your honesty. I cannot tell you from the guys who drive truck into crowds. There is no way of separating you from the murderers.

What are you going to do about that?

QUESTION;
What are moslems who claim to follow mainstream ISLAM here in Australia, prepared to do about a person in their community like Sheik Ismail Alwahwah, the leader of Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia ?

Sheik Ismail Alwahwah

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469402078/0#0
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This is the moslem who is living in Australia, who has stated that the example, of the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attacks in Paris, are the way to 'cure' the 'disrespect' shown to moslems, by disbelievers.

n.b.

Ismail Alwahwah has effectively stated, publicly, HERE IN AUSTRALIA, that the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attacks in Paris,
.......should be regarded by the wider Australian community, as a 'normal' and 'legitimate' response from moslems in Europe, to those who offend their religion.

gandalf,

ISLAM and its cadres have been actively conducting a low level, war of attrition against Western nations, and against the citizens of Western nations for at least two decades.

QUESTION;
How long do you think it will be, until a moslem attack, somewhere in the world, will kill perhaps thousands of Westerners ?

And when that scale of atrocity occurs,          then it will be likely that here in Australia [and also in other places around the world], the government will not be able to protect 'innocent' members of the local moslem community, from the societal rage which will explode against 'the moslem' and his community.

gandalf,

Moslems are not innocent persons.

The local moslem community [within its own ranks] continually encourages festering hatred against those who are not moslems.

I would suggest, that it does not take a great mind to understand, that this moslem proclivity to 'prosecute' moslem 'religious grievances' through societal violence,       against those who are not moslems,       is eventually going to provoke an eruption, an explosion! of lawless violence between members the local moslem community, and their non-moslem hosts.

And once this lawless communal violence is unleashed, imo, it will be difficult for any governing authority to bring it an end, quickly.

Such inter-communal violence will not end well for anyone, but particularly, imo, it will not end well for 'the moslem' and his community.

You badly underestimate our resolve, to protect our freedoms, and our resolve to crush and to destroy all those who would destroy our society.

And moslems do not have the stomach for an open fight.

Not where the fight is one, against one,    ....and, it will be a 'dirty' fight, imo.

gandalf,

QUESTION;
What are you, and the members of your community doing, to try to prevent,       ....those moslem attacks, against people who are not moslems, emanating from members of the local moslem community ?

What are you doing ?

e.g.
The local moslem community needs to vociferously censure persons like Sheik Ismail Alwahwah.

gandalf,

Is the local moslem community willing to take such actions, publicly, and loudly ?

And if not, then why not ?

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EXAMINE THE PURPOSEFUL, CRUEL AND EVIL MOSLEM HATRED AND INTENT, TOWARDS ALL NON-MOSELMS.

EXAMPLE #1,

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Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam

01/05/2007

In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed: "Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".

The article advised: "The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.

There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims.

Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550211/Cleric-preaches-that-violence-is-...

EXAMINE THE PURPOSEFUL, CRUEL AND EVIL MOSLEM HATRED AND INTENT, TOWARDS ALL NON-MOSELMS.

EXAMPLE #2,

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Inside the sect that loves terror
August 07, 2005

......In public interviews
Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.

Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

“Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar.”

these are old links, but the article is kosher.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html
another source, "Undercover in the academy of hatred"...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458729/posts

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Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Reply #67 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 12:12am

Frank wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 7:22pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 8:12pm:

There should be a total and indefinite ban on every country that has any religious discrimination statute or evidence of such extra-judicial practice. They are either civilised or they are not.

That a seemingly intelligent person would use such logic is simply astounding.

Do you think just maybe the people who would seek to abandon such a country and start a new life in a free and democratic country might not have the same 'uncivilised' values? Maybe??

Its literally as stupid as saying someone fleeing persecution shouldn't be allowed in on the basis they are from a country that carries out persecution. Yeah I know, idiotic right?

I do not see evidence of these people trying to improve their countries.

I see evidence of these people abandoning their countries and wreacking the same kind of havock on their adoptive countries that they were fleeing. I see no evidence of positive contribution By Islamics to any Western society.

I do not trust you, I do not believe in your honesty. I cannot tell you from the guys who drive truck into crowds. There is no way of separating you from the murderers.

What are you going to do about that?

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Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Reply #68 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 6:12am

Frank wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 7:22pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 8:12pm:

There should be a total and indefinite ban on every country that has any religious discrimination statute or evidence of such extra-judicial practice. They are either civilised or they are not.

That a seemingly intelligent person would use such logic is simply astounding.

Do you think just maybe the people who would seek to abandon such a country and start a new life in a free and democratic country might not have the same 'uncivilised' values? Maybe??

Its literally as stupid as saying someone fleeing persecution shouldn't be allowed in on the basis they are from a country that carries out persecution. Yeah I know, idiotic right?

I do not see evidence of these people trying to improve their countries.

I see evidence of these people abandoning their countries and wreacking the same kind of havock on their adoptive countries that they were fleeing. I see no evidence of positive contribution By Islamics to any Western society.

Shall we talk about just the US?

muslims living in the US:
- on average better educated than non-muslims
- on average better incomes than non-muslims
- disproportionally more doctors, lawyers, IT professionals
- do not report feeling discriminated or marginalised
- successfully assimilated by any measure

number of terrorist acts carried out on US soil by anyone from the 7 banned countries: zero, nada, zip

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #69 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 8:42am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 5^th, 2017 at 6:12am:

Frank wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 7:22pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 8:12pm:

There should be a total and indefinite ban on every country that has any religious discrimination statute or evidence of such extra-judicial practice. They are either civilised or they are not.

That a seemingly intelligent person would use such logic is simply astounding.

Do you think just maybe the people who would seek to abandon such a country and start a new life in a free and democratic country might not have the same 'uncivilised' values? Maybe??

Its literally as stupid as saying someone fleeing persecution shouldn't be allowed in on the basis they are from a country that carries out persecution. Yeah I know, idiotic right?

I do not see evidence of these people trying to improve their countries.

I see evidence of these people abandoning their countries and wreacking the same kind of havock on their adoptive countries that they were fleeing. I see no evidence of positive contribution By Islamics to any Western society.

Shall we talk about just the US?

muslims living in the US:
- on average better educated than non-muslims
- on average better incomes than non-muslims
- disproportionally more doctors, lawyers, IT professionals
- do not report feeling discriminated or marginalised
- successfully assimilated by any measure

number of terrorist acts carried out on US soil by anyone from the 7 banned countries: zero, nada, zip

Well that claim, gandalf, is total BS.

And what is the source of [authority for] that claim gandalf ?

"Last week, President Trump signed an executive order temporarily banning citizens from seven countries from entering the U.S. and indefinitely banning Syrian refugees."

The seven countries included; Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Sudan, Libya and Somalia.

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By Robert Spencer on Jan 28, 2017 11:10 am

New York Times claims that “far-right media” is stoking “anxiety about Muslim refugees”

Here’s some real news for the fake news purveyors over at the New York Times:

the “far-right media” isn’t responsible for “anxiety about Muslim refugees.”

Who is actually responsible?

People such as Somali Muslim migrant Mohammad Barry, who in February 2016 stabbed multiple patrons at a restaurant owned by an Israeli Arab Christian;

Ahmad Khan Rahami, an Afghan Muslim migrant who in September 2016 set off bombs in New York City and New Jersey;

Arcan Cetin, a Turkish Muslim migrant who in September 2016 murdered five people in a mall in Burlington, Washington;

Dahir Adan, another Somali Muslim migrant who in October 2016 stabbed mall shoppers in St. Cloud while screaming “Allahu akbar”;

Abdul Razak Artan, yet another Somali Muslim migrant who in November 2016 injured nine people with car and knife attacks at Ohio State University.

What’s more, all of the jihadis who murdered 130 people in Paris in November 2015 had just entered Europe as refugees.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/new-york-times-claims-that-far-right-media-is...

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Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
Reply #71 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 12:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 5^th, 2017 at 6:12am:

Frank wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 7:22pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 8:12pm:

There should be a total and indefinite ban on every country that has any religious discrimination statute or evidence of such extra-judicial practice. They are either civilised or they are not.

That a seemingly intelligent person would use such logic is simply astounding.

Do you think just maybe the people who would seek to abandon such a country and start a new life in a free and democratic country might not have the same 'uncivilised' values? Maybe??

Its literally as stupid as saying someone fleeing persecution shouldn't be allowed in on the basis they are from a country that carries out persecution. Yeah I know, idiotic right?

I do not see evidence of these people trying to improve their countries.

I see evidence of these people abandoning their countries and wreacking the same kind of havock on their adoptive countries that they were fleeing. I see no evidence of positive contribution By Islamics to any Western society.

Shall we talk about just the US?

muslims living in the US:
- on average better educated than non-muslims
- on average better incomes than non-muslims
- disproportionally more doctors, lawyers, IT professionals
- do not report feeling discriminated or marginalised
- successfully assimilated by any measure

number of terrorist acts carried out on US soil by anyone from the 7 banned countries: zero, nada, zip

I don't believe your assertion about Muslims in the US.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/section-1-a-demographic-portrait-of-musli...

Tell us about Australia. Half the population wants to ban Muslim immigration. Why is that?

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban' Reply #72 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 12:03pm Gandalf- number of terrorist acts carried out on US soil by anyone from the 7 banned countries: zero, nada, zip That's not true.
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Reply #73 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 12:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 7:22pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 8:12pm:

There should be a total and indefinite ban on every country that has any religious discrimination statute or evidence of such extra-judicial practice. They are either civilised or they are not.

That a seemingly intelligent person would use such logic is simply astounding.

Do you think just maybe the people who would seek to abandon such a country and start a new life in a free and democratic country might not have the same 'uncivilised' values? Maybe??

Its literally as stupid as saying someone fleeing persecution shouldn't be allowed in on the basis they are from a country that carries out persecution. Yeah I know, idiotic right?

Maybe, just maybe, they should civilise their own countries. How about that?

But that means getting rid of Islam's influence on their politics and society. So they can't civilise their own countries.

Only let in the ones who renounce Islam.

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Reply #74 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 12:37pm

Terrorist attacks in the US from Trump's banned countries-

-22 Jul 1980 Bethesda, Maryland Ali Akbar Tabataba'i, former senior officer in Iranian Shah's SAVAK, shot at home by Daoud Salahuddin, a radical black Muslim under instructions from Iran

-In March 2006, Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-American, intentionally, as he confessed, hit people with a sport utility vehicle on the campus of the University of North Carolina (UNC) at Chapel Hill to "avenge the deaths of Muslims worldwide" and to "punish" the United States government. While no one was killed in the terror ramming attack, nine people were injured (none seriously).

-The 2010 Portland car bomb plot involved an incident in which Mohamed Osman Mohamud (born 1991), a Somali-American student, was arrested in an FBI sting operation on November 26, 2010, after attempting to set off what he thought was a car bomb at a Christmas tree lighting in Portland, Oregon.[1][2] He was charged with attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction.[

-February 11, 2016 Melee attack 0 (+1) 4 Ohio Columbus, Ohio 4 people were injured in a restaurant when a Somali man with a machete attacked them at random. After a car chase, the assailant was killed by police.[120]

-September 17, 2016 Stabbings 0 (+1) 10 Minnesota St. Cloud, Minnesota 2016 Minnesota mall stabbing: On September 17, 2016, a mass stabbing occurred at the Crossroads Center shopping mall in St. Cloud, Minnesota. Ten people were injured, and the attacker was shot dead inside the mall by an off-duty law enforcement officer.[127] ISIL claimed responsibility for the attack through its Amaq media agency, claiming Adan "was a soldier of the Islamic State".[128] Dahir A. Adan of Somalian descent.

-November 28, 2016 Vehicle attack, stabbing 0 (+1) 13 Ohio Columbus, Ohio 2016 Ohio State University attack: A car ramming attack and mass stabbing occurred at 9:52 a.m. EST at Ohio State University (OSU)'s Watts Hall in Columbus, Ohio. The attacker, Somali refugee Abdul Razak Ali Artan, was shot and killed by the first responding OSU police officer, and 11 people were hospitalized for injuries. According to authorities, Artan was inspired by terrorist propaganda from the Islamic State and radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki.[131]

there should be a load more countries on the list Especially Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, Palestine and Afghanistan.

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