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CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL AMERICAN? (Read 5935 times)
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Re: CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL AMERICAN?
Reply #30 - Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:54am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:48am:
Dear lord, you're an idiot.



a rich successful happy idiot.

just like Donald.
kindred spirits.
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Reply #31 - Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:55am
 
Asset rich cash poor
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Re: CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL AMERICAN?
Reply #32 - Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:56am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:30am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:29am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:27am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:04am:
John Smith wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:41am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:37am:
marla and greg could not be loyal americans.



A loyal Australian is one who puts Australia first .... that means opposing trump.

I would throw all the thrumpoids, including you, out.


We need to start deporting them as soon as possible.

Here's Malcolm's opportunity to actually do something worthwhile.

Round up all the Trumptards, and have them removed from this country immediately.

For the good of the nation.


But where would you send them? trump doesnt want them.


Trump will take 'em.

He can use them as cheap labour to build his wall.

They'd sabotage it.


Why would you and your fellow Trumptards sabotage his wall?

I thought you were all for it.
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Re: CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL AMERICAN?
Reply #33 - Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:56am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:55am:
Asset rich cash poor



sort of, but your greatest asset is always your own "personal philosophy".  thats why i try to study and personify the behaviour of the humble ant  Wink
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Re: CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL AMERICAN?
Reply #34 - Jan 30th, 2017 at 12:00pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:54am:
a rich successful happy idiot.



you don't sound to happy to me ... a truly happy person doesn't need to continuously justify their position with psychobabble while attempting to denigrate others.
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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Re: CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL AMERICAN?
Reply #35 - Jan 30th, 2017 at 12:02pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 11:55am:
Asset rich cash poor



sort of, but your greatest asset is always your own "personal philosophy".  thats why i try to study and personify the behaviour of the humble ant  Wink




Maybe if you did more work.
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Re: CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL AMERICAN?
Reply #36 - Jan 30th, 2017 at 12:06pm
 
It's the wrong question.

The right question is: does a Muslim population in a western country present a security problem?

The Austrian Science Academy recently presented research to show that 40% of Muslim immigrants placed obedience to their religion ahead of obedience to the law of the state.

That convinces me that many, enough Muslims pose a loyalty threat.
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Re: CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL AMERICAN?
Reply #37 - Jan 30th, 2017 at 6:48pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 10:37am:
A loyal american is anyone who gets behind Trump and works with him to make america great.

this would include some muslims for sure.

marla and greg could not be loyal americans.

i would deport marla.

a great country needs to have very strong boundaries (not just walls) but strong boundaries about what behaviours it will and will not tolerate. All BS behaviour needs to be aggressively stomped out .




That is absolute BS, aqua.


aquascoot,

QUESTION;
Why do they call themselves 'moslems' [and thereby associate themselves, with ISLAM],

if they do not support the religious violence which ISLAM mandates,         and the religious violence which ISLAM mandates that every moslem must either engage in, or, materially support ???




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1451577940/5#5
Quote:

........I know that it can be a difficult concept for many to grasp,

.....but i am still promoting the proposition that,

.....a person who insists that he is a moslem,

....is, a moslem.







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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1484778259/3#3
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Moslems are not Australians.


Even moslems living in Australia, who have secured Australian citizenship, are not Australians.

Why so ?

The allegiance and loyalty of the moslem, is to ISLAM exclusively.

Any moslem who denies that,         is a FILTHY STINKING, LYING, DECEITFUL moslem.

Study declared ISLAMIC doctrine.

It confirms that the loyalty of the moslem must always be to ISLAM, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd!






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Quote:

"Allah is our objective;
the Prophet is our leader;
the Koran is our law;
Jihad is our way;
dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."


- Hassan el Banna - Founder of The Muslim Brotherhood




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Yadda said....
Quote:

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."





Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible;

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.
And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"
             Grin


Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.







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Yadda wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 8:25am:


ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act.




That 'precept' of faith is mainstream within ISLAM.

ISIS know it.

Al-Qaeda know it.

The Saudis know it.

And EVERY moslem who is living among us, here in Australia, knows it.





ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."





THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260







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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL AMERICAN?
Reply #38 - Jan 30th, 2017 at 6:58pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
It's the wrong question.

The right question is:
does a Muslim population in a western country present a security problem?


The Austrian Science Academy recently presented research to show that 40% of Muslim immigrants placed obedience to their religion ahead of obedience to the law of the state.

That convinces me that many, enough Muslims pose a loyalty threat.





LOOK HERE  !!!!!!

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In a BBC poll, 45% of British moslems are willing to admit, that encouraging 'extremism' [i.e. terrorism] is mainstream within ISLAM, and within their community!!!

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https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx



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THE LIE      -      
"It is only a tiny minority of the moslem community living, here in the West, that support the moslem extremists."



That is an absolute lie, which is spread by the moslem communities that are resident here, in the West.

And which is willingly believed, by corrupt, self serving, Western politicians and policy makers.



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL AMERICAN?
Reply #39 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 10:30pm
 

CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL AMERICAN?


An 'informative' article....



IMAGE.....
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Quote:

The Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America’s Ominous Post-Election Statement


by Phillip Haney,

January 23, 2017:

Introduction

The purpose of this article is to decipher the ominous, but heavily camouflaged language embedded within the English text of a recent scholarly document, published on the website of the Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America (AMJA), which is entitled Post-Election Statement: Principles and Roadmap (aka the Roadmap).

....Why is the AMJA Roadmap even important? Could a scholarly article written by the leaders of a harmless-sounding American Islamic organization possibly have a corrosive influence on our Constitutionally protected values of Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness?

The answer is: Yes.

....For at least three generations, right here in America, Muslim Brotherhood front groups such as the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT) have been building up the Al-Qaeda Al-Motzema Al-Islamia.            [Al-Qaeda, the word here is translated as ‘base’]

....In English, the AMJA is known as the Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America. However, this benign-sounding title is dramatically different, and much more ominous, when translated directly from the Arabic, i.e., the Majama Fuqaha Al-Shariah B’Amrikia (Group of Shariah Specialists in America).

More specifically, the covert use of the term Al-Shariah B’Amrikia (Shariah in America) should send up an immediate ‘red flag.’ After all, haven’t we been reassured repeatedly that Muslims have no intention of implementing Shariah law here in America, and that Shariah poses no threat to our constitutionally protected freedoms? Aren’t those who raise concerns about Shariah routinely branded as bigots, raving conspiracy theorists and dubious Islamophobes?

....The current AMJA leadership structure includes six members of the Leadership Council (aka Majlis Al-Shura, or the Shura Council), nearly all of whom are graduates of Al-Azhar University in Cairo, plus eight Scholars, 46 Experts and 41 Members. Combined together, this roster of 100 Islamic scholars is a Who’s Who of prominent Muslim Brotherhood leaders and Salafi Muslims affiliated with the Global Islamic Movement.

It is also important to recognize that the AMJA is much more than a simple ‘home-grown’ group of American Muslim clergymen. Instead, it is part of a constellation of influential Islamic organizations, such as the European Council for Fatwa and Research (ECFR), the International Union for Muslim Scholars (IUMS), and the Islamic Research Foundation International (IRFI).

[this voluminous article continues in the frontpagemag.com link]

https://counterjihadreport.com/2017/01/24/the-assembly-of-muslim-jurists-of-amer...

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/265549/assembly-muslim-jurists-americas-ominous-...



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #40 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:05am
 
Can any religious person be loyal to their country?

Their god comes first no matter what. They are even told they have to love their god more then their own offspring.

Now imagine a country passes a law for the good of its citizens, but that law goes against the tenants of their god.

It's time to stop giving religion a free pass. These people have no idea what god's will is.

If god exists he is far more advanced than we are. Raven is more advanced then a dog. Does the dog presume to know Raven's will?
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Reply #41 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:07am
 
Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:05am:
Can any religious person be loyal to their country?

Their god comes first no matter what. They are even told they have to love their god more then their own offspring.

Now imagine a country passes a law for the good of its citizens, but that law goes against the tenants of their god.

It's time to stop giving religion a free pass. These people have no idea what god's will is.

If god exists he is far more advanced than we are. Raven is more advanced then a dog. Does the dog presume to know Raven's will?


Sit Ubu sit.
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Reply #42 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:10am
 
That same question used to be asked of Catholics - can they truly be loyal to America and also answer to the Pope ...
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Reply #43 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:22am
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:07am:
Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:05am:
Can any religious person be loyal to their country?

Their god comes first no matter what. They are even told they have to love their god more then their own offspring.

Now imagine a country passes a law for the good of its citizens, but that law goes against the tenants of their god.

It's time to stop giving religion a free pass. These people have no idea what god's will is.

If god exists he is far more advanced than we are. Raven is more advanced then a dog. Does the dog presume to know Raven's will?


Sit Ubu sit.


Yes a dog can be trained. Religion has trained us for millennia.

But can the animal know our motivations?
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Reply #44 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:25am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jan 30th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
It's the wrong question.

The right question is: does a Muslim population in a western country present a security problem?

The Austrian Science Academy recently presented research to show that 40% of Muslim immigrants placed obedience to their religion ahead of obedience to the law of the state.

That convinces me that many, enough Muslims pose a loyalty threat.


The same can be said for any religious person. Their god comes first, not their children and not their state.
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