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US President Exexutuve Orders
Jan 29^th, 2017 at 12:37pm

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...........United States presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself.
Executive orders have the full force of law when they take authority from a legislative power which grants its power directly to the Executive by the Constitution, or are made pursuant to Acts of Congress that explicitly delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation).[1]

Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution. Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging wars, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes............

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

I am uncomfortable with Executive Orders.
It's too much power at the stroke of a pen by one person.

I would prefer if most changes go through the congress or the equivalent of our parliament.

Sure, use executive orders at times of urgency.
eg, if being attacked overnight, outbreak of some weird disease.

For situations that have not changed rapidly or do not pose an immediate threat, go through the normal channels.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20274 Gender:	Re: US President Exexutuve Orders Reply #1 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:17pm Yeah. Apparently Obama only used 295 Executive Orders.
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Marla Gold Member Offline A joint a day keeps the MAGA away Posts: 14720 Colorado Gender:	Re: US President Exexutuve Orders Reply #2 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:19pm What in the bugger is an "Exexutuve" Order? Meanwhile...
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Marla Gold Member Offline A joint a day keeps the MAGA away Posts: 14720 Colorado Gender:	Re: US President Exexutuve Orders Reply #3 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:21pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 12:37pm: I am uncomfortable with Executive Orders Apparently, so is a Federal judge who just shot one of them down. Hippie.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41421 Gender:	Re: US President Exexutuve Orders Reply #4 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:51pm Marla wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:21pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 12:37pm: I am uncomfortable with Executive Orders Apparently, so is a Federal judge who just shot one of them down. Hippie. Good to hear that. I dislike the 'one man bands.'
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Marla Gold Member Offline A joint a day keeps the MAGA away Posts: 14720 Colorado Gender:	Re: US President Exexutuve Orders Reply #5 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:53pm Are you on weed, Sprinty?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41421 Gender:	Re: US President Exexutuve Orders Reply #6 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:57pm No. I don't take any drugs and rarely drink.
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Re: US President Exexutuve Orders
Reply #7 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:28pm

The (mis)use of executive orders is exactly what you'd expect from Trump...

As a malignant narcissist, the delusion of ruling by decree (like an autocrat) would be irresistible to Trump...

Never mind the legal mess that will follow as Congress and the judiciary work to overturn and invalidate them one by one, Trump will deflect blame for them towards 'the people'...

But, as he didn't win the popular vote, his likely claim that he's enacting the 'will of the people' by executive order will be fatally flawed...

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20274 Gender:	Re: US President Exexutuve Orders Reply #8 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:34pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:28pm: The (mis)use of executive orders is exactly what you'd expect from Trump... And the misuse of Executive Orders under Obama?
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Marla Gold Member Offline A joint a day keeps the MAGA away Posts: 14720 Colorado Gender:	Re: US President Exexutuve Orders Reply #9 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:45pm He think it's a coloring book
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Re: US President Exexutuve Orders
Reply #10 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:46pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

......... the legal mess that will follow as Congress and the judiciary work .........

that's one of the reasons I dislike Executive Orders.

At the drop of a hat, with no consultation LOTS of other people have more work to do.

Be it right or wrong, they have more work to do.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20274 Gender:	Re: US President Exexutuve Orders Reply #11 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:48pm Marla wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:45pm: He think it's a coloring book Be kind send him pencils.
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Re: US President Exexutuve Orders
Reply #12 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 3:19pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

......... the legal mess that will follow as Congress and the judiciary work .........

that's one of the reasons I dislike Executive Orders.

At the drop of a hat, with no consultation LOTS of other people have more work to do.

Be it right or wrong, they have more work to do.

And you can expect many more of them (not least because the most recent 2 term presidents have issued nearly 300 each)...

But when the motive for their issuance is purely cynically self-aggrandising, they reveal to the American people what their president really thinks of the democratic process.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20274 Gender:	Re: US President Exexutuve Orders Reply #13 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 5:32pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 3:19pm: But when the motive for their issuance is purely cynically self-aggrandising, they reveal to the American people what their president really thinks of the democratic process You mean like Obama bypassing Congress?
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Re: US President Exexutuve Orders
Reply #14 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 5:45pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

Quote:

...........United States presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself.
Executive orders have the full force of law when they take authority from a legislative power which grants its power directly to the Executive by the Constitution, or are made pursuant to Acts of Congress that explicitly delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation).[1]

Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution. Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging wars, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes............

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

I am uncomfortable with Executive Orders.
It's too much power at the stroke of a pen by one person.

I would prefer if most changes go through the congress or the equivalent of our parliament.

Sure, use executive orders at times of urgency.
eg, if being attacked overnight, outbreak of some weird disease.

For situations that have not changed rapidly or do not pose an immediate threat, go through the normal channels.

Starting to feel a bit unnerved by Trumps 'executive' orders?

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Re: US President Exexutuve Orders
Reply #15 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 5:47pm

lee wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

The (mis)use of executive orders is exactly what you'd expect from Trump...

And the misuse of Executive Orders under Obama? Wink

Keep telling everyone you are not a Trump supporter. its gets funnier everytime you refer to Obama while ignoring Trumps actions.

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Re: US President Exexutuve Orders
Reply #16 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 6:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 5:47pm:

lee wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

The (mis)use of executive orders is exactly what you'd expect from Trump...

And the misuse of Executive Orders under Obama? Wink

Keep telling everyone you are not a Trump supporter. its gets funnier everytime you refer to Obama while ignoring Trumps actions.

So you want to ignore Obama's failings and concentrate on Trump? Go right ahead. Wink

You do realise the thread is about Executive Orders, and not the person's doing it?

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Reply #17 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 6:15pm

lee wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 6:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 5:47pm:

lee wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

The (mis)use of executive orders is exactly what you'd expect from Trump...

And the misuse of Executive Orders under Obama? Wink

Keep telling everyone you are not a Trump supporter. its gets funnier everytime you refer to Obama while ignoring Trumps actions.

So you want to ignore Obama's failings and concentrate on Trump? Go right ahead. Wink

You do realise the thread is about Executive Orders, and not the person's doing it?

You can pretend that if you want. It is all rather obviously about Trumps recent orders - specifically the muslim ban.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20274 Gender:	Re: US President Exexutuve Orders Reply #18 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 6:18pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 6:15pm: You can pretend that if you want. It is all rather obviously about Trumps recent orders - specifically the muslim ban. Which may or may not come to pass. So why did Obama bypass Congress? You left that bit out.
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Reply #19 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 6:50pm

lee wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 6:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 6:15pm:

You can pretend that if you want. It is all rather obviously about Trumps recent orders - specifically the muslim ban.

Which may or may not come to pass.

So why did Obama bypass Congress? You left that bit out.

He didnt do anything unconstitutional despite your desperate attempt to defend Trumps actions which have literally refused entry to the USA by people who already have permanent residence!

defend that!

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20274 Gender:	Re: US President Exexutuve Orders Reply #20 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 6:53pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 6:50pm: He didnt do anything unconstitutional despite your desperate attempt to defend Trumps actions What actions have I tried to defend? The closing of the EPA? which isn't.
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Re: US President Exexutuve Orders
Reply #21 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 7:47pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

Quote:

...........United States presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself.
Executive orders have the full force of law when they take authority from a legislative power which grants its power directly to the Executive by the Constitution, or are made pursuant to Acts of Congress that explicitly delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation).[1]

Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution. Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging wars, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes............

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

I am uncomfortable with Executive Orders.
It's too much power at the stroke of a pen by one person.

I would prefer if most changes go through the congress or the equivalent of our parliament.

Sure, use executive orders at times of urgency.
eg, if being attacked overnight, outbreak of some weird disease.

For situations that have not changed rapidly or do not pose an immediate threat, go through the normal channels.

Starting to feel a bit unnerved by Trumps 'executive' orders?

I dislike the concept of executive orders.
Same as when Obama was giving them out.

I agree with their content, not with the method.

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Re: US President Exexutuve Orders
Reply #22 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 8:34pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

Quote:

...........United States presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself.
Executive orders have the full force of law when they take authority from a legislative power which grants its power directly to the Executive by the Constitution, or are made pursuant to Acts of Congress that explicitly delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation).[1]

Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution. Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging wars, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes............

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

I am uncomfortable with Executive Orders.
It's too much power at the stroke of a pen by one person.

I would prefer if most changes go through the congress or the equivalent of our parliament.

Sure, use executive orders at times of urgency.
eg, if being attacked overnight, outbreak of some weird disease.

For situations that have not changed rapidly or do not pose an immediate threat, go through the normal channels.

Starting to feel a bit unnerved by Trumps 'executive' orders?

I dislike the concept of executive orders.
Same as when Obama was giving them out.

I agree with their content, not with the method.

You want Trump as POTUS then you get the entire deal - not pick and choose.

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Reply #24 - Jan 30^th, 2017 at 5:38pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2017 at 5:21pm:

'Policy' on the run. What an idiot, and he must be surrounded by idiots.

Link.

and its only the first 10 days. He has blocked american residents with a green card from returning home. Next he will reinstitute visas for all comers thus halving teh number of visitors which the tourism industry will simply LOVE.

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