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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 144037 Gender:	Re: Trump faces impreachment - ALREADY Reply #15 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 11:07am Richdude wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 6:17am: Anything Hillary did was OK. Really? You're on your own there. You're the first one in this forum to come out and publicly support Clinton. How does that feel?
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Reply #16 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 11:11am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:00pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:37pm:

If the people with whom I disagree, all leave the Forum, it won't be any fun anymore.

Exactly.

Imagine how boring that would be.

"Sprinty, I think Trump is just divine".

"Oh, so do I , Panther. So do I".

"Okay, well ... talk tomorrow then? Bye".

"Bye".

Yep it would be dead within a month..

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Reply #17 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 11:15am

kemal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 8:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 8:33pm:

The bloated douche-bag is going down Grin

Unlike you obviously. You clearly stated you would leave if Trump became President,.

You Sir are nothing more than a common f vicking liar.

I do hope that ALL on this forum acknowledge this and make no comment on your comments forthwith.

To be pedantic... he said if Trump won the election. Because of the refusal to hold a recount in critical states and Clintons massive popular vote lead, we can never know for sure if Trump really won the election or not.

But also, peccahead is a liar, that is for sure. But is it fair for the same people that wont hold Trump true to his word to then demand peccahead do the same?

the entire election was full of lies.

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Reply #18 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 11:19am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 11:15am:

kemal wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 8:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 8:33pm:

The bloated douche-bag is going down Grin

Unlike you obviously. You clearly stated you would leave if Trump became President,.

You Sir are nothing more than a common f vicking liar.

I do hope that ALL on this forum acknowledge this and make no comment on your comments forthwith.

To be pedantic... he said if Trump won the election.

Correct.

I did not say "I'll leave when Trump wins the election".

He won, and as a result, I will leave.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77115 Gender:	Re: Trump faces impreachment - ALREADY Reply #19 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 11:56am Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:13am: So why are the lefties silent about the Saudis and Qatar giving money to Hillary the guy pushing this is a rightie dopey Marla wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 7:04am: That is old and for the most part irrelevant news we're behind with the news
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Reply #20 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:16pm

As I have elaborated in the recent past about the Process &/or Possibility of Impeachment, there are some that obviously either didn't read, or are so blinded by their hate of United States President Donald J. Trump chose to ignore the facts surrounding any Impeachment of a Sitting President of the United States.

No, it's not like here in Australia where a few men & women go behind closed doors, & then emerge a short time later with the news that the Prime Minister has been outed, long live the new Prime Minister.......far from that silliness......in America, a Constitutional Republic, which is subject to a 'Rule of Law'.....The United States Constitution........there is but one extensive process outlined on the procedure needed to be followed to the letter for Impeaching a President (which BTW is only a first step towards removal from office)

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1. The United States Senate is the only place on the planet that can try a sitting President of the United States. He can not be tried in any other lower court anywhere, for any crime, until after he leaves the office of the President at the end of his term, or via expulsion by the Senate after being found guilty of High Crimes & Misdemeanors.

★ President Trump must be referred for Impeachment from the House of Representatives after an extensive political hearing, by a simple majority of 218 Representatives out of a total of 435 Representatives.

2. Then the President must be found guilty, after an extensive political Senate trial, of "High Crimes & Misdemeanors" by a Super Majority of 67 United States Senators out of a total of 100 Senators.

➤ The President is a Republican.

➤ The House of Representatives is comprised of 241 Republicans & 194 democrats.....They need a vote of 218 for referral. Without referral, there will be no Senate trial.

➤ The Senate is comprised of 54 Republicans, 44 democrats, and 2 Independents......They need a guilty vote of 67 to convict. A Conviction could carry expulsion from the office of President.

Of the 45 Presidents of the United States since 1789, only two (2) Presidents were Impeached (referred to the Senate for trial for "High Crimes & Misdemeanors") Andrew Johnson, & Bill Clinton.

JFYI....Richard Nixon was never Impeached by The House, nor convicted in the Senate.

Both Impeached Presidents were subsequently acquitted (not found 'not guilty' or 'innocent' ... only acquitted of the charges) after an extensive trial by the United States Senate.

The odds are that you would probably be more likely to find 5 truck loads of hens teeth during a blizzard on the Equator than seeing Republican President Trump Impeached for High Crimes & Misdemeanors in the Republican Senate, after a Referral of Impeachment from the Republican House of Representatives.
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Now, after reading that, if you still think there is any likelihood of Impeaching the President of the United States of America, please.....I'd like to hear it & read your source material.....which must, by the way, be the United States Constitution & only the United States Constitution.

So, is the statement "Trump faces impreachment - ALREADY" .....besides it being spelled bass ackwards..... is that statement anything other than ridiculous??

Outside of "Wishfull Thinking" by some Extreme American Leftists, & a handful of daft Australian Forum members, the answer is a resounding

NO!!!

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Reply #21 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:27pm

Panther wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

Now, after reading that, if you still think there is an easy way to remove a sitting President of the United States of America, please.....I'd like to hear it & read your source material..

I don't believe anyone ever said there was .... are you sure you have the right thread?

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Reply #22 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:29pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:27pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

Now, after reading that, if you still think there is an easy way to remove a sitting President of the United States of America, please.....I'd like to hear it & read your source material..

I don't believe anyone ever said there was .... are you sure you have the right thread?

Indeed.

Nobody ever said it would be easy.

It's possible, but it won't be easy.

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Reply #23 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:44pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:27pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

Now, after reading that, if you still think there is an easy way to remove a sitting President of the United States of America, please.....I'd like to hear it & read your source material..

I don't believe anyone ever said there was .... are you sure you have the right thread?

I see what you mean John, & I agree, so I will change a few words in my conclusion... ...otherwise I need only read the title of this thread to know what I've posted, as quoted, is absolutely apropos.

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Reply #25 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 2:23pm

Panther wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

As I have elaborated in the recent past about the Process &/or Possibility of Impeachment, there are some that obviously either didn't read, or are so blinded by their hate of United States President Donald J. Trump chose to ignore the facts surrounding any Impeachment of a Sitting President of the United States.

No, it's not like here in Australia where a few men & women go behind closed doors, & then emerge a short time later with the news that the Prime Minister has been outed, long live the new Prime Minister.......far from that silliness......in America, a Constitutional Republic, which is subject to a 'Rule of Law'.....The United States Constitution........there is but one extensive process outlined on the procedure needed to be followed to the letter for Impeaching a President (which BTW is only a first step towards removal from office)

Quote:

1. The United States Senate is the only place on the planet that can try a sitting President of the United States. He can not be tried in any other lower court anywhere, for any crime, until after he leaves the office of the President at the end of his term, or via expulsion by the Senate after being found guilty of High Crimes & Misdemeanors.

★ President Trump must be referred for Impeachment from the House of Representatives after an extensive political hearing, by a simple majority of 218 Representatives out of a total of 435 Representatives.

2. Then the President must be found guilty, after an extensive political Senate trial, of "High Crimes & Misdemeanors" by a Super Majority of 67 United States Senators out of a total of 100 Senators.

➤ The President is a Republican.

➤ The House of Representatives is comprised of 241 Republicans & 194 democrats.....They need a vote of 218 for referral. Without referral, there will be no Senate trial.

➤ The Senate is comprised of 54 Republicans, 44 democrats, and 2 Independents......They need a guilty vote of 67 to convict. A Conviction could carry expulsion from the office of President.

Of the 45 Presidents of the United States since 1789, only two (2) Presidents were Impeached (referred to the Senate for trial for "High Crimes & Misdemeanors") Andrew Johnson, & Bill Clinton.

JFYI....Richard Nixon was never Impeached by The House, nor convicted in the Senate.

Both Impeached Presidents were subsequently acquitted (not found 'not guilty' or 'innocent' ... only acquitted of the charges) after an extensive trial by the United States Senate.

The odds are that you would probably be more likely to find 5 truck loads of hens teeth during a blizzard on the Equator than seeing Republican President Trump Impeached for High Crimes & Misdemeanors in the Republican Senate, after a Referral of Impeachment from the Republican House of Representatives.
[img]http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/chuckle002.gif

Now, after reading that, if you still think there is any likelihood of Impeaching the President of the United States of America, please.....I'd like to hear it & read your source material.....which must, by the way, be the United States Constitution & only the United States Constitution.

So, is the statement "Trump faces impreachment - ALREADY" .....besides it being spelled bass ackwards..... is that statement anything other than ridiculous??

Outside of "Wishfull Thinking" by some Extreme American Leftists, & a handful of daft Australian Forum members, the answer is a resounding

NO!!!

You missed one option. Section 25 of the Constitution empowers the Cabinet to remove a President from office by a simple majority vote.

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Reply #26 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 3:33pm

Panther wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

Outside of "Wishfull Thinking" by some Extreme American Leftists, & a handful of daft Australian Forum members, the answer is a resounding
NO!!!

A. The guy starting this is a former bush advisor and a republican, he's no more a leftie than you are.

B. the probability of success is neither here nor there. He is facing impeachment from traditional republicans ... if you want to continue to shove your head up your arse and pretend it's not happening or that it isn't important in the grand scheme of things, than that's your business.

It doesn't change the fact that Trump is going to get attacked from both sides. He has no party loyalty he can rely on because almost all the republicans hate him just as much as the democrats. That they're willing to play along for now because they have no choice does not mean they support him.

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Reply #27 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 4:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 2:23pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

As I have elaborated in the recent past about the Process &/or Possibility of Impeachment, there are some that obviously either didn't read, or are so blinded by their hate of United States President Donald J. Trump chose to ignore the facts surrounding any Impeachment of a Sitting President of the United States.

No, it's not like here in Australia where a few men & women go behind closed doors, & then emerge a short time later with the news that the Prime Minister has been outed, long live the new Prime Minister.......far from that silliness......in America, a Constitutional Republic, which is subject to a 'Rule of Law'.....The United States Constitution........there is but one extensive process outlined on the procedure needed to be followed to the letter for Impeaching a President (which BTW is only a first step towards removal from office)

Quote:

1. The United States Senate is the only place on the planet that can try a sitting President of the United States. He can not be tried in any other lower court anywhere, for any crime, until after he leaves the office of the President at the end of his term, or via expulsion by the Senate after being found guilty of High Crimes & Misdemeanors.

★ President Trump must be referred for Impeachment from the House of Representatives after an extensive political hearing, by a simple majority of 218 Representatives out of a total of 435 Representatives.

2. Then the President must be found guilty, after an extensive political Senate trial, of "High Crimes & Misdemeanors" by a Super Majority of 67 United States Senators out of a total of 100 Senators.

➤ The President is a Republican.

➤ The House of Representatives is comprised of 241 Republicans & 194 democrats.....They need a vote of 218 for referral. Without referral, there will be no Senate trial.

➤ The Senate is comprised of 54 Republicans, 44 democrats, and 2 Independents......They need a guilty vote of 67 to convict. A Conviction could carry expulsion from the office of President.

Of the 45 Presidents of the United States since 1789, only two (2) Presidents were Impeached (referred to the Senate for trial for "High Crimes & Misdemeanors") Andrew Johnson, & Bill Clinton.

JFYI....Richard Nixon was never Impeached by The House, nor convicted in the Senate.

Both Impeached Presidents were subsequently acquitted (not found 'not guilty' or 'innocent' ... only acquitted of the charges) after an extensive trial by the United States Senate.

The odds are that you would probably be more likely to find 5 truck loads of hens teeth during a blizzard on the Equator than seeing Republican President Trump Impeached for High Crimes & Misdemeanors in the Republican Senate, after a Referral of Impeachment from the Republican House of Representatives.
[img]http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/chuckle002.gif

Now, after reading that, if you still think there is any likelihood of Impeaching the President of the United States of America, please.....I'd like to hear it & read your source material.....which must, by the way, be the United States Constitution & only the United States Constitution.

So, is the statement "Trump faces impreachment - ALREADY" .....besides it being spelled bass ackwards..... is that statement anything other than ridiculous??

Outside of "Wishfull Thinking" by some Extreme American Leftists, & a handful of daft Australian Forum members, the answer is a resounding

NO!!!

You missed one option. Section 25 of the Constitution empowers the Cabinet to remove a President from office by a simple majority vote.

You're Totally & Completely Wrong.....Absolutely incorrect!!!

I'm guessing you actually mean the XXV Amendment, because there is no such thing as a Section 25, which provides for 'temporary' replacement due to the incapacity of the President.....like when Reagan was shot, & needed surgery & recuperation.....which usually is requested by the President himself, like when Reagan need polyp removal surgery, but in the future might come about otherwise if the President is totally incapacitated.....

There is no part of that Amendment that provides for an actual Removal from Office, if you read you will note that upon the notification that the President is fit again, that the President will resume his Presidency relieving whomever was at the helm during his absence/incapacity. Now, if say the President never returns to capacity, which has never happened, the normal chain of succession would come into play.

Read Below, for everyone's edification....

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Reply #28 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 4:13pm

Source: The United States Constitution
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Amendment XXV (1967)

Section 1.

In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2.

Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3.

Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President;

otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

Pays ta read.....dunnit!?

Don't ya hate that!

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Reply #29 - Jan 24^th, 2017 at 4:27pm

Panther wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 4:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 2:23pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 24^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

As I have elaborated in the recent past about the Process &/or Possibility of Impeachment, there are some that obviously either didn't read, or are so blinded by their hate of United States President Donald J. Trump chose to ignore the facts surrounding any Impeachment of a Sitting President of the United States.

Quote:

1. The United States Senate is the only place on the planet that can try a sitting President of the United States. He can not be tried in any other lower court anywhere, for any crime, until after he leaves the office of the President at the end of his term, or via expulsion by the Senate after being found guilty of High Crimes & Misdemeanors.

★ President Trump must be referred for Impeachment from the House of Representatives after an extensive political hearing, by a simple majority of 218 Representatives out of a total of 435 Representatives.

2. Then the President must be found guilty, after an extensive political Senate trial, of "High Crimes & Misdemeanors" by a Super Majority of 67 United States Senators out of a total of 100 Senators.

➤ The President is a Republican.

➤ The House of Representatives is comprised of 241 Republicans & 194 democrats.....They need a vote of 218 for referral. Without referral, there will be no Senate trial.

➤ The Senate is comprised of 54 Republicans, 44 democrats, and 2 Independents......They need a guilty vote of 67 to convict. A Conviction could carry expulsion from the office of President.

[size=11][font=Georgia][i]Of the 45 Presidents of the United States since 1789, only two (2) Presidents were Impeached (referred to the Senate for trial for "High Crimes & Misdemeanors") Andrew Johnson, & Bill Clinton.

JFYI....Richard Nixon was never Impeached by The House, nor convicted in the Senate.

Both Impeached Presidents were subsequently acquitted (not found 'not guilty' or 'innocent' ... only acquitted of the charges) after an extensive trial by the United States Senate.

The odds are that you would probably be more likely to find 5 truck loads of hens teeth during a blizzard on the Equator than seeing Republican President Trump Impeached for High Crimes & Misdemeanors in the Republican Senate, after a Referral of Impeachment from the Republican House of Representatives.
[img]http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/chuckle002.gif

Now, after reading that, if you still think there is any likelihood of Impeaching the President of the United States of America, please.....I'd like to hear it & read your source material.....which must, by the way, be the United States Constitution & only the United States Constitution.

So, is the statement "Trump faces impreachment - ALREADY" .....besides it being spelled bass ackwards..... is that statement anything other than ridiculous??

Outside of "Wishfull Thinking" by some Extreme American Leftists, & a handful of daft Australian Forum members, the answer is a resounding

NO!!!

You missed one option. Section 25 of the Constitution empowers the Cabinet to remove a President from office by a simple majority vote.

You're Totally & Completely Wrong.....Absolutely incorrect!!!

I'm guessing you actually mean the XXV Amendment, because there is no such thing as a Section 25, which provides for 'temporary' replacement due to the incapacity of the President.....like when Reagan was shot, & needed surgery & recuperation.....which usually is requested by the President himself, like when Reagan need polyp removal surgery, but in the future might come about otherwise if the President is totally incapacitated.....

There is no part of that Amendment that provides for an actual Removal from Office, if you read you will note that upon the notification that the President is fit again, that the President will resume his Presidency relieving whomever was at the helm during his absence/incapacity. Now, if say the President never returns to capacity, which has never happened, the normal chain of succession would come into play.

Read Below, for everyone's edification....

Yes, the 25th amendment makes Cabinet able to remove a sitting president from office due to inability to perform the duties. Now try and work out how a President as uncontrollable, thin-skinned and unqualifed as Trump might be considered 'unfit to continue'.

Not that hard to imagine and btw, this was not my idea but rather that of a senior constitutional lawyer.

So, it is another way to protect the world from this crazy bastard.

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