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Reply #45 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 12:36pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 12:40pm:

At least the right will try to bring everyone under a shared system of values (usually an assimilation model of some description, whereby the individual is made subordinate to the shared values).

Sure, it worked a treat under Nazi Germany - except of course if you were jewish, gay, intellectually disabled etc, in that case it kinda mattered what individual "identity" you had.

The right today really just adopt a watered down version of the same idea, and it is a complete lie to say that individual identity doesn't matter in your so called "shared values" model. When you say 'the individual is subordinate to the shared values' - what you really mean is that everyone who isn't a member of the dominant white, anglo must be subordinate to the dominant white anglo culture. And needless to say its the members of this dominant culture that makes the demands for assimilation.

The truth is, individual identity and creating divisions along those lines is everything to you and your "assimilation/shared values" BS. You actively seek out and target anyone who doesn't fit your narrow cultural mould and persecute them for it. It is in fact you who seeks out and finds differences in individuals that are completely unnecessary. It is you who identifies a particular culture that everyone must be subordinate to (your own), and its you who plays "identity politics" against anyone who doesn't comply. Ironic eh?

Why can only Islam demand Submission?

Ironic, eh?

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Reply #46 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 12:44pm

Frank wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 12:36pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 12:40pm:

At least the right will try to bring everyone under a shared system of values (usually an assimilation model of some description, whereby the individual is made subordinate to the shared values).

Sure, it worked a treat under Nazi Germany - except of course if you were jewish, gay, intellectually disabled etc, in that case it kinda mattered what individual "identity" you had.

The right today really just adopt a watered down version of the same idea, and it is a complete lie to say that individual identity doesn't matter in your so called "shared values" model. When you say 'the individual is subordinate to the shared values' - what you really mean is that everyone who isn't a member of the dominant white, anglo must be subordinate to the dominant white anglo culture. And needless to say its the members of this dominant culture that makes the demands for assimilation.

The truth is, individual identity and creating divisions along those lines is everything to you and your "assimilation/shared values" BS. You actively seek out and target anyone who doesn't fit your narrow cultural mould and persecute them for it. It is in fact you who seeks out and finds differences in individuals that are completely unnecessary. It is you who identifies a particular culture that everyone must be subordinate to (your own), and its you who plays "identity politics" against anyone who doesn't comply. Ironic eh?

Why can only Islam demand Submission?

Ironic, eh?

Not sure that the irony is what you intended.

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Reply #47 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:37pm

gandalf wrote Reply #40 - Today at 11:12am

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You actively seek out and target anyone who doesn't fit your narrow cultural mould and persecute them for it. It is in fact you who seeks out and finds differences in individuals that are completely unnecessary. It is you who identifies a particular culture that everyone must be subordinate to (your own)

OH boy talk about tugging her forelock and calling me allah.

Did the pot just call the kettle black?

islam the mother of all harlots, who actively seeks out and persecutes all people who don't fit her and the old moon god allahs' narrow religious mould.

A psychopathic prophet who deliberately lied in order to produce a people who didn't fit this narrow religious mould of islam, in order that muslims have a free rein in slaughtering and subjugating them.

gandi, gandi, gandi.

Oh well new age muslim truth.

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Reply #48 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:07am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 10:53am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 12:40pm:

At least the right will try to bring everyone under a shared system of values (usually an assimilation model of some description, whereby the individual is made subordinate to the shared values).

Sure, it worked a treat under Nazi Germany - except of course if you were jewish, gay, intellectually disabled etc, in that case it kinda mattered what individual "identity" you had.

The right today really just adopt a watered down version of the same idea, and it is a complete lie to say that individual identity doesn't matter in your so called "shared values" model. When you say 'the individual is subordinate to the shared values' - what you really mean is that everyone who isn't a member of the dominant white, anglo must be subordinate to the dominant white anglo culture. And needless to say its the members of this dominant culture that makes the demands for assimilation.

The truth is, individual identity and creating divisions along those lines is everything to you and your "assimilation/shared values" BS. You actively seek out and target anyone who doesn't fit your narrow cultural mould and persecute them for it. It is in fact you who seeks out and finds differences in individuals that are completely unnecessary. It is you who identifies a particular culture that everyone must be subordinate to (your own), and its you who plays "identity politics" against anyone who doesn't comply. Ironic eh?

Stopped reading there. For goodness sake, put some effort into your arguments.

Stopped reading. Now that takes effort - particularly when it's post all about you.

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Reply #49 - Jan 31^st, 2017 at 5:12am

moses wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:37pm:

gandalf wrote Reply #40 - Today at 11:12am

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You actively seek out and target anyone who doesn't fit your narrow cultural mould and persecute them for it. It is in fact you who seeks out and finds differences in individuals that are completely unnecessary. It is you who identifies a particular culture that everyone must be subordinate to (your own)

OH boy talk about tugging her forelock and calling me allah.

Did the pot just call the kettle black?

islam the mother of all harlots, who actively seeks out and persecutes all people who don't fit her and the old moon god allahs' narrow religious mould.

A psychopathic prophet who deliberately lied in order to produce a people who didn't fit this narrow religious mould of islam, in order that muslims have a free rein in slaughtering and subjugating them.

gandi, gandi, gandi.

Oh well new age muslim truth.

Here you go, effendes. G is now Islam.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Reply #50 - Feb 1^st, 2017 at 1:15am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 11:54am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 11:08am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 11:01am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 10:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 10:23am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 28^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

I understand the problems created by post-structuralism better than most people. I've outlined it many times. All you do is side step.

How does it relate to a President packaging lies as alternate truths ?

Or is it just another off topic diversion ?

The 'post-truth' fiasco begins with the post-structuralists and deconstructionists of the 1960-70s (or Sophists of 2,000 years ago to be precise). Why is it an issue in the media now?

So it's just am irelivant diversion.

Nope. Why is 'post-truth' only now an issue?

So are you condemning Trump for his lies or are you making excuses for them ?

'Lies' or lies?
He may be rough around the edges, but Trump has shifted, and still is shifting, the Overton Window. This is what counts. 'Victim' politics needs to be eradicated (note: not victims but 'victims'). And, the guilt and nihilism industry which paints the West as nothing but 'racist', 'sexist', 'misogynist', 'xenophobic', etc. needs to be overturned. It's like Catholicism on steroids: guilt (sin) from birth.

So how do you feel about the US erecting a racist/sexist/misogynist as president, Mistie?

I'm curious. I'm keen to know what you think about this. Is Trump none of these things? How about his voters? What else might be motivating them?

Or is Trump all of these things and racism/sexism/misogyny doesn't really matter?

You know, empowering white supremacists, bigots and conspiracy-theorist nut-jobs is good for civilisation - it keeps us strong and United.

Which is it to be, Mistie?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 100476	Re: Porkies Reply #52 - Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 4:38am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 9:23pm: do ever get sick of viewing the world through the lenses of race, gender etc? Oh look, you evaded the question. FD would be proud. FD? If you don't mind me saying, you've gone pretty quiet. Cat got your tongue?
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Reply #53 - Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 9:47am

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 4:38am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 9:23pm:

do ever get sick of viewing the world through the lenses of race, gender etc?

Oh look, you evaded the question. FD would be proud.

FD? If you don't mind me saying, you've gone pretty quiet.

Cat got your tongue?

the questions were virtue signalling.

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Reply #54 - Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 11:50am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 10:15am:

Sure, it worked a treat under Nazi Germany - except of course if you were jewish, gay, intellectually disabled etc, in that case it kinda mattered what individual "identity" you had.

It certainly helped in those times if you were a Muslim. Do you wish to revive the era, persecution of the jews etc. One of your persuasion help design the whole operation so Hitler could kill as many in the shortest possible time. You would know his name Gandalf he founded the Muslim Brotherhood. Are you a member? I believe the US are going to name it as a terrorist organization.

Perhaps it may for the better if you handed in your MB badge now and join Hizb ut-Tahrir Grin

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Reply #55 - Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 1:46pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 9:47am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 4:38am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 9:23pm:

do ever get sick of viewing the world through the lenses of race, gender etc?

Oh look, you evaded the question. FD would be proud.

FD? If you don't mind me saying, you've gone pretty quiet.

Cat got your tongue?

the questions were virtue signalling.

Here's a new evasion technique, FD. Virtue signalling.

Mistie's too virtuous to answer a question.

Cunning, no?

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Reply #56 - Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 1:48pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 9:47am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 4:38am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 9:23pm:

do ever get sick of viewing the world through the lenses of race, gender etc?

Oh look, you evaded the question. FD would be proud.

FD? If you don't mind me saying, you've gone pretty quiet.

Cat got your tongue?

the questions were virtue signalling.

Here's a new evasion technique, FD. Virtue signalling.

Mistie's too virtuous to answer a question.

Cunning, no?

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Reply #57 - Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 5:01pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 1:48pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 9:47am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2017 at 4:38am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 1^st, 2017 at 9:23pm:

do ever get sick of viewing the world through the lenses of race, gender etc?

Oh look, you evaded the question. FD would be proud.

FD? If you don't mind me saying, you've gone pretty quiet.

Cat got your tongue?

the questions were virtue signalling.

Here's a new evasion technique, FD. Virtue signalling.

Mistie's too virtuous to answer a question.

Cunning, no?

Double post, More than cunning, No? Grin

Sorry Brian Ross taught me that smilies meant something. As yet however have not been able to fully comprehend the meaning,. Should I buy an AK47 and attempt genocide, along with other muslims?

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Brian Ross on why Muslims kill Quote:-" It appears to be a cultural thing, rather than something they have learnt from their religion, despite what you appear to believe."

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Reply #58 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 3:35pm

Peter Hartcher usually gets things spot-on. Here he is on truth and porkies:

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A former speechwriter for George W. Bush, David Frum, argued in The Atlantic that rather than extinguish the media altogether, "modern strongmen seek merely to discredit journalism as an institution, by denying that such a thing as independent judgment can exist. All reporting serves an agenda. There is no truth, only competing attempts to grab power."

Russian-born journalist Masha Gessen says that Trump and Putin are alike: "Lying is the message." They lie blatantly, she said, "to assert power over truth itself".

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/donald-trump-has-given-two-great-gifts-to-china-20...

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