polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 29
th, 2017 at 11:12am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 29
th, 2017 at 10:53am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 29
th, 2017 at 10:15am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 28
th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
At least the right will try to bring everyone under a shared system of values (usually an assimilation model of some description, whereby the individual is made subordinate to the shared values).
Sure, it worked a treat under Nazi Germany - except of course if you were jewish, gay, intellectually disabled etc, in that case it kinda mattered what individual "identity" you had.
The right today really just adopt a watered down version of the same idea, and it is a complete lie to say that individual identity doesn't matter in your so called "shared values" model. When you say 'the individual is subordinate to the shared values' - what you really mean is that everyone who isn't a member of the dominant white, anglo must be subordinate to the dominant white anglo culture. And needless to say its the members of this dominant culture that makes the demands for assimilation.
The truth is, individual identity and creating divisions along those lines is
everything to you and your "assimilation/shared values" BS. You actively seek out and target anyone who doesn't fit your narrow cultural mould and persecute them for it. It is in fact you who seeks out and finds differences in individuals that are completely unnecessary. It is you who identifies a particular culture that everyone must be subordinate to (your own), and its you who plays "identity politics" against anyone who doesn't comply. Ironic eh?
Stopped reading there. For goodness sake, put some effort into your arguments.
No worries, I'm reposting it minus the offending part:
it is a complete lie to say that individual identity doesn't matter in your so called "shared values" model. When you say 'the individual is subordinate to the shared values' - what you really mean is that everyone who isn't a member of the dominant white, anglo must be subordinate to the dominant white anglo culture. And needless to say its the members of this dominant culture that makes the demands for assimilation.
The reduction to white and Anglo doesn't tell us much. They aren't values in themselves. No one says "act white" or act "Anglo". On the other hand, the crude slogan "fit in or f**k off" is an attempt to bring everyone under a shared value system. Having shared values leads to a feeling of belonging and less likely chance of conflict. Having said that, I am all for creative individuals to stand above the herd and innovate. Sadly, 99% of people aren't able to do this; therefore, shared values is the only way to keep these people from killing or abusing each other.
Quote:The truth is, individual identity and creating divisions along those lines is everything to you and your "assimilation/shared values" BS. You actively seek out and target anyone who doesn't fit your narrow cultural mould and persecute them for it. It is in fact you who seeks out and finds differences in individuals that are completely unnecessary. It is you who identifies a particular culture that everyone must be subordinate to (your own), and its you who plays "identity politics" against anyone who doesn't comply. Ironic eh?
Again, you're being hypocritical. Leftists are the masters of identity politics, with their (now) 88 genders, transgender bathrooms, self-determination for all races/ethnicities (except for Europeans and their descendants). I've never denied the right play identity politics (they were the masters of it in the 19th and early 20th Centuries), but the extent of it has waned. It's moved on from biological forms of identity to cultural forms of identity. That's where we are now.
The most disturbing thing, for me, is that leftists think that having multiple diverse groups with nothing in common and within the one area will bring peace. Nothing could be further from the truth. Take the ethnic conflict in Turkey, for example. The Turks and Kurds are at loggerheads and will not compromise. The Kurds want an independent state and the Turks won't give it to them, so what follows is Turkish policemen and soldiers getting killed everyday (we don't hear it happening here, but rarely a day goes by where 1-3 soldiers/policemen are killed).