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Reply #75 - Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:51am

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:48am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:46am:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:45am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:40am:

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted:

Le Pen said:

"We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up."

Wilders added:

"The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness."
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment

That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not.

Music to our ears.

Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's.

Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities.

I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops.

Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics!

not always muppet.

Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism.

There was nationalism a thousand years ago before complex economic systems. You start messing with countries racially, ethnically and culturally and people with start grouping together.

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Reply #77 - Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:55am

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:40am:

An empire is usually defined as one power occupying its colonies, North.

Yes... Usually...

As Chalmers Johnson puts it - "the unit of the American empire is not the colony, as it was in French and British imperialism. Instead the unit of our empire is the military base -- a separate enclave that originally had a strategic purpose, but when that strategic purpose no longer existed [the US] didn’t give up the base".

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:40am:

Instead, the US merely works with foreign countries through an elaborate system of economic carrots and sticks.

And not just economic carrots and sticks, but also military presence...

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Re: Biggest ever inaugural crowd? No, but...
Reply #78 - Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:55am

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:51am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:48am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:46am:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:45am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:40am:

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted:

Le Pen said:

"We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up."

Wilders added:

"The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness."
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment

That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not.

Music to our ears.

Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's.

Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities.

I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops.

Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics!

not always muppet.

Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism.

There was nationalism a thousand years ago before complex economic systems. You start messing with countries racially, ethnically and culturally and people with start grouping together.

lol

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Reply #80 - Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:57am

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:38am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:33am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:30am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:27am:

Nearly 1000 military bases on foreign soil circling the globe speaks otherwise...

We're programmed to think that an empire has to be declared one by its respective imperialist elites for it to be an empire...

Would you rather the states being the dominating global force or somewhere like China? Now that would be bad for Australia. Because some country is always going to step up.

My post was about acknowledging the existence of an American empire, not the morality of its existence.

I wasn't talking about morality either. I was talking about Australia's safety. If the US goes down, we go down. We are 24 million in a part of the globe with billions living in overcrowded conditions. What's going to stop them taking our country without the US?

All arguably true... But I was talking about acknowledging the existence of an American empire, not whether its a good or bad thing...

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Re: Biggest ever inaugural crowd? No, but...
Reply #81 - Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:57am

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:51am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:48am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:46am:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:45am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:40am:

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted:

Le Pen said:

"We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up."

Wilders added:

"The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness."
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment

That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not.

Music to our ears.

Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's.

Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities.

I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops.

Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics!

not always muppet.

Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism.

There was nationalism a thousand years ago before complex economic systems.

There were no nations or nationalism before capitalism, Homo.

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Reply #82 - Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:58am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:57am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:38am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:33am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:30am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:27am:

Nearly 1000 military bases on foreign soil circling the globe speaks otherwise...

We're programmed to think that an empire has to be declared one by its respective imperialist elites for it to be an empire...

Would you rather the states being the dominating global force or somewhere like China? Now that would be bad for Australia. Because some country is always going to step up.

My post was about acknowledging the existence of an American empire, not the morality of its existence.

I wasn't talking about morality either. I was talking about Australia's safety. If the US goes down, we go down. We are 24 million in a part of the globe with billions living in overcrowded conditions. What's going to stop them taking our country without the US?

All arguably true... But I was talking about acknowledging the existence of an American empire, not whether its a good or bad thing...

I agree then. It's a global empire.

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Re: Biggest ever inaugural crowd? No, but...
Reply #83 - Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:02am

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:57am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:51am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:48am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:46am:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:45am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:40am:

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted:

Le Pen said:

"We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up."

Wilders added:

"The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness."
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment

That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not.

Music to our ears.

Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's.

Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities.

I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops.

Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics!

not always muppet.

Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism.

There was nationalism a thousand years ago before complex economic systems.

There were no nations or nationalism before capitalism, Homo.

Rome, Carthage , Persia were just the same. Look at Serbia, Ukraine, Chechnya . All nationalistic uprising to do with ethnic issues. Go and have a nanna nap Karnal.

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Reply #85 - Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:18am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:55am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:40am:

An empire is usually defined as one power occupying its colonies, North.

Yes... Usually...

As Chalmers Johnson puts it - "the unit of the American empire is not the colony, as it was in French and British imperialism. Instead the unit of our empire is the military base -- a separate enclave that originally had a strategic purpose, but when that strategic purpose no longer existed [the US] didn’t give up the base".

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:40am:

Instead, the US merely works with foreign countries through an elaborate system of economic carrots and sticks.

And not just economic carrots and sticks, but also military presence...

Up to a point, North, sure. But military bases aren't usually used to police the countries they're in. The US doesn't use its German, Japanese or Australian bases to hold Germany, Japan or Australia.

Military bases are the result of economic carrots and sticks, or trade and security deals. In our case, the US base in Darwin is strategically placed to face China. In Japan, their bases face North Korea. And in Germany, they face Russia.

The US "empire" is not based on military force and occupation but, predominantly, bi-lateral trade, finance and development deals. There is also a lot of soft power used - something other countries don't have.

The US has been amazingly successful after WWII in winning countries over. This is slowly changing, but it won't change too quickly. I can't see China, for example, gaining the respect of populations that the US has. China uses trade and military strength alone - in many countries, deals with China would be highly unpopular. I'm surprised there hasn't been more uproar in the Philippines, who have always loved America, who see the US as a liberator.

This is the difference today. The US is no longer seen by the world in glowing terms. Its spying, its trade wars and agricultural policies, its illegal invasions - the US is not the shining light it once was. The fact that the Philippines is prepared to give China a go could represent a major global shift in direction.

And yes, the nationalist/protectionist sentiment expressed through Brexit and Trump may well represent the dying throws of Anglo global dominance.

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Reply #86 - Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:19am

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:51am:

You start messing with countries racially, ethnically and culturally and people with start grouping together.

100% correct.

Radio personality Ron Casey said it many years ago: The day will arrive when Third World immigration will reach critical mass in the city suburbs, and THAT's when the sh!t will hit the fan.

Enoch Powell said exactly the same thing.

Everything bumps along nicely until one day the locals look around them and wonder where the hell they are.

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Reply #87 - Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:23am

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:02am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:57am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:51am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:48am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:46am:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:45am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:40am:

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted:

Le Pen said:

"We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up."

Wilders added:

"The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness."
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment

That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not.

Music to our ears.

Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's.

Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities.

I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops.

Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics!

not always muppet.

Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism.

There was nationalism a thousand years ago before complex economic systems.

There were no nations or nationalism before capitalism, Homo.

Rome, Carthage , Persia were just the same.

They were not the same. These empires were merely strong armies that invaded and occupied foreign territories.

The concept of a sovereign nation goes back to the post-Napoleonic era. Previously, the world was ruled (and divvied up) by monarchs.

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Reply #88 - Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:27am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:57am:

All arguably true... But I was talking about acknowledging the existence of an American empire, not whether its a good or bad thing...

Rented Empire.

You forgot to say "rented empire".

Almost all of their bases are rented from the local governments.

Germany, Turkey ... etc.

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Reply #89 - Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:29am

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:23am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 11:02am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:57am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:51am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:48am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:46am:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:45am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2017 at 10:40am:

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Anyway, elsewhere in the world his inauguration is greeted:

Le Pen said:

"We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up."

Wilders added:

"The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness."
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment

That's what matters: the genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not.

Music to our ears.

Nationalism is at last beginning to come out of the coma that Leftwing politicians put it into somewhere around the mid-'50's.

Not Hitler's expansionist nationalism, but a reclaiming of ones own homeland from 60 years of inviting the Third World to colonise the West as ghetto communities.

I'm sick of hearing Arabic being yelled across the rooftops.

Bulldust: nationalism is a natural reaction to failing economics!

not always muppet.

Always. We're in the political climate we're in because of the GFC, just as the Great Depression ushered in fascism.

There was nationalism a thousand years ago before complex economic systems.

There were no nations or nationalism before capitalism, Homo.

Rome, Carthage , Persia were just the same.

They were not the same. These empires were merely strong armies that invaded and occupied foreign territories.

The concept of a sovereign nation goes back to the post-Napoleonic era. Previously, the world was ruled (and divvied up) by monarchs.

We could ague all day and night about it. So do you still believe nationalism come purely out of bad economic situations?? Huh

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