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Will Trump breach the constitution?
Jan 20th, 2017 at 5:14am
 
Trump has said he will not divest ownership of his business while President. There is concern among top legal minds in the US that when Trump swears the Oath of Office, he will stand in violation of the Constitution’s foreign-emoluments clause. Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution forbids any “Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States]” from accepting any “any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State” (unless Congress explicitly consents).

By “emolument,” this provision means any benefit derived from dealing with a foreign government. It is well-settled that receipt of such emoluments is strictly prohibited for persons holding positions of trust with the U.S. government. A U.S. official need not also have an “office” with a foreign government in order to receive an emolument from it.

The Framers included this provision in the Constitution to guarantee that private entanglements with foreign states would not blur the loyalties of federal officials, above all the president. Yet that lesson seems lost on Trump, whose continued significant ownership stake in the Trump Organization forges an unbreakable bond between Trump and a global empire that will benefit or suffer in innumerable ways from its dealings with foreign governments. Trump’s actions in office will thus be haunted by the specter (and perhaps reality) of divided interests.

The only adequate solution to this and other conflicts of interest, taken by presidents of both parties for the past four decades, is divestiture into a truly blind trust or the equivalent.

At last week’s unusual press conference, Trump—lawyer in tow—refused to take those steps. Instead, after marveling at his own generosity, Trump finally explained his big plan: keep an ownership stake in the Trump Organization, but resign from management and have his adult sons (joined by an executive) run the business during his presidency.

Trump’s lawyer has said that “Trump wants there to be no doubt in the minds of the American public that he is completely isolating himself from his business interests.” But if that were actually true, Trump would have done more—much more—to separate himself from his global business empire. Instead, he adopted the mere shell of a plan, utterly inadequate to the demands of the Constitution.

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Reply #1 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 5:56am
 
Interesting you brought this up. 

The Washington Post covered this subject -- except with regard to Clinton -- back in September.  Here is the article, should you care to read it.

The Volokh Conspiracy -- Opinion
Is the Emoluments Clause a problem for Hillary Clinton?
By Jonathan H. Adler September 23, 2016

You may not have heard of the Emoluments Clause, but some people think it raises a problem for Hillary Clinton. The clause, contained in Article I, section 9, reads as follows:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

The issue is whether the Clinton Foundation’s acceptance of gifts from foreign governments while Hillary Clinton served as secretary as state violated this provision (assuming, of course, that gifts to the Foundation were, in some sense, also gifts to her). Additionally, it would seem, there would also be a question as to whether the Clinton Foundation could accept such gifts if Hillary Clinton is elected president.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think this question is justiciable. That is, I do not believe that someone could go to court to seek to disqualify or sanction Clinton. The issue might, however, be of interest to some voters (and by “some” I mean some percentage of lawyers, professors and pedants who have actually thought about the Emoluments Clause and its significance). One could conclude that Clinton violated the spirit of the clause even if one does not believe courts can (or should) do anything about it. (And one could also reach this conclusion and still believe that such an ethical lapse is still minor compared with the offenses committed by Donald Trump.)

The meaning and current application of the Emoluments Clause might not seem like much of an issue to you, but it is to two of my colleagues, Jonathan Entin and Erik Jensen. The two have dueling op-eds on the clause in the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

Here’s Jensen:

you can’t take politics out of politics — but payments from foreign governments to federal officials are different from the usual sorts of contributions. Those who are supposed to be looking out for the best interests of the United States shouldn’t be taking goodies from other governments, a potentially corrupting influence that creates the appearance of divided loyalties.

America’s founders understood this. In the Foreign Emoluments Clause of the Constitution, adapted from a similar provision in the Articles of Confederation, the founders provided that “no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States] shall, without the Consent of Congress, accept of [sic] any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

A present — or, even worse, compensation for services (an emolument) — transferred by a foreign government to a federal official isn’t everyday pay for play; it’s forbidden, unless Congress approves. . . .

What about gifts from foreign governments made to a foundation in which a person holding an office of trust — a secretary of state, say — has a controlling position, either directly or through family members? That sort of thing happened not so long ago. Whether or not the practice could have survived review by lawyers in green eyeshades, I’m not sure. But the practice smelled; it violated the spirit, if not the language, of the Foreign Emoluments Clause and related statutes. It was, at a minimum, an ethical lapse.

Here’s Entin:

If you haven’t heard that Hillary Clinton is constitutionally ineligible to be president, be ready.

That claim has nothing to do with her birth certificate but rather with contributions to the Clinton Foundation by foreign governments.

According to conservative bloggers, those contributions violate the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution (Article I, Section 9), which generally forbids American officials from accepting “any present, Emolument, Office, or Title” from another nation. Because the foundation accepted payments from foreign governments while she held government positions, Clinton supposedly violated the Emoluments Clause and is disqualified from serving as our chief executive.

This is a dubious argument.

If, after reading these op-eds, you want still more on the Emoluments Clause, the National Constitution Center has posted additional background and an exchange between Professors Seth Tillman and Zephyr Teachout as part of the Center’s Interactive Constitution.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/09/23/is-the-emolu...
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Reply #2 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 6:38am
 
HC may be a lot of things but she is not so stupid as to let herself get disqualified in this way. Whether Trump is that stupid remains to be seen.
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Reply #3 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:17am
 
Exactly why he'll be impeached in 6 months.
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Reply #4 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:37am
 
Trump is like the sun....a source of pure energy.
he just "puts it out there".
The sun is going to do what the sun is going to do.
The sun is at the action as is Donald.
All you on lookers are at the "reaction".

Try to be more "sun-like"  , more "trump-like"
Being "reactive" is very low status, very "weak sauce", very feminine.

Be masculine, like Donald, penetrate the world with your ideas, be care-free, be unapologetic.

the sun penetrates, the sun doesnt care if "you" think its too hot, the sun doesnt apologise for a heat wave.the sun doesnt care if you like it or not, the sun doesnt "need' anything from the pathetic little crybabies sooking about it being a hot day. if you dont like the sun, go hide in a cave and STFU
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Re: Will Trump breach the constitution?
Reply #5 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:39am
 
issuevoter wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 6:38am:
HC may be a lot of things but she is not so stupid as to let herself get disqualified in this way. Whether Trump is that stupid remains to be seen.



she is greedy though and a money hoare. never fussy where the money came from.. or at what cost  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:40am
 
Marla wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:17am:
Exactly why he'll be impeached in 6 months.



the yanks are so stoooopid.
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Reply #7 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:45am
 
issuevoter wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 6:38am:
HC may be a lot of things but she is not so stupid as to let herself get disqualified in this way. Whether Trump is that stupid remains to be seen.


Yet "not stupid" HC used a private server and got caught, and her and her Twat Happy husband used their Clinton Corporation to bolster their own finances, oh yes and got caught.....

You seem to be somewhat lacking in the old noggin if you think she's "not stupid".......

Oh yes, didn't she lose....... Roll Eyes


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Reply #8 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:53am
 
Marla wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:17am:
Exactly why he'll be impeached in 6 months.


Well hello Marylou, who's going to impeach him?
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Reply #9 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:08am
 
The Heartless Felon wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:53am:
Marla wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:17am:
Exactly why he'll be impeached in 6 months.


Well hello Marylou, who's going to impeach him?


You think the Republicans like him? Half of them didnt even vote for him. They tolerate him because he won. Give them half a chance and they will boot him to the kerb.  And he will be giving them more than half a chance.
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Reply #10 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:12am
 
The Heartless Felon wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:53am:
Marla wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:17am:
Exactly why he'll be impeached in 6 months.


Well hello Marylou, who's going to impeach him?



The House and Senate.

Must I do all your homework for you?
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Reply #11 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:14am
 
He has an even bigger problem if the Cabinet simply vote to replace him (Sect 25). If Trump is deemed unsuitable, they could remove him.
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Reply #12 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:14am
 
What do you mean "if"?
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Reply #13 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:18am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:37am:
Trump is like the sun....a source of pure energy.
he just "puts it out there".
The sun is going to do what the sun is going to do.
The sun is at the action as is Donald.
All you on lookers are at the "reaction".

Try to be more "sun-like"  , more "trump-like"
Being "reactive" is very low status, very "weak sauce", very feminine.

Be masculine, like Donald, penetrate the world with your ideas, be care-free, be unapologetic.

the sun penetrates, the sun doesnt care if "you" think its too hot, the sun doesnt apologise for a heat wave.the sun doesnt care if you like it or not, the sun doesnt "need' anything from the pathetic little crybabies sooking about it being a hot day. if you dont like the sun, go hide in a cave and STFU


Your faith in Trump is very feminine.
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Re: Will Trump breach the constitution?
Reply #14 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:26am
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:45am:
issuevoter wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 6:38am:
HC may be a lot of things but she is not so stupid as to let herself get disqualified in this way. Whether Trump is that stupid remains to be seen.


Yet "not stupid" HC used a private server and got caught, and her and her Twat Happy husband used their Clinton Corporation to bolster their own finances, oh yes and got caught.....

You seem to be somewhat lacking in the old noggin if you think she's "not stupid".......

Oh yes, didn't she lose....... Roll Eyes




If HC is so sss-chew-pid (as they say here), she'd be in jail. All the blather came to nothing. Why? I don't claim to know, but I do know that her accusers have not been successful.

Yes, she lost the election, but that was not the result of ssschewpidity.
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