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Bradley Manning Freed
Jan 18^th, 2017 at 1:38pm

Perhaps Obama worst decision.

BBC:
"President Barack Obama has commuted Chelsea Manning's sentence for leaking documents to Wikileaks in 2010.
The 29-year-old transgender US Army private, born Bradley Manning, will be freed on 17 May instead of her scheduled 2045 release.
She was sentenced to 35 years in 2013 for her role in leaking diplomatic cables to the anti-secrecy group.
The leak was one of the largest breaches of classified material in US history."

You can tell what kind of journalists the BBC employs. I don't care how they spin it, Bradley Manning is not a woman. Any woman should be insulted by this kind of pandering to neurotics.

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Gordon Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 21780 Gordon Gender:	Re: Bradley Manning Freed Reply #1 - Jan 18^th, 2017 at 1:56pm Quentin McDermott was being interviewed by Wendy Harmer about it today and he referred to it several times as HE. PC Wendy pulled him up about it, and he said ah yes I was using HIM historically as it was a HE when the charges were laid. He used HE for the remainder of the interview
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President Elect, The Mechanic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17501 Gender:	Re: Bradley Manning Freed Reply #2 - Jan 18^th, 2017 at 3:43pm so thats what it takes to get a pardon form Obama.. cut off your penis... the fruitcake should be in a mental institution.... ................ not sure what this is going to mean for Julian Assange..
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Reply #3 - Jan 18^th, 2017 at 4:17pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 3:43pm:

so thats what it takes to get a pardon form Obama..

cut off your penis...

the fruitcake should be in a mental institution....

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not sure what this is going to mean for Julian Assange.. Undecided

Julian Assange helped get Trump erected, so it's all good. He's probably only wanted by the Swedish, anyway.

Manning's leak paled in comparison to Snowdon and even Putin's hackers, who all got off scott-free.

Manning's intent was not treasonous. He did not spy for a foreign country. He did not profit from releasing the material. His motives were benign - he wanted to expose US war crimes, and he did.

Manning's chances of rehabilitation are good. He has no way of repeating his crime. This is a good use of a presidential pardon.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Bradley Manning Freed Reply #4 - Jan 18^th, 2017 at 4:18pm Opinions have been varied to say the least but some Republicans have praised it and some Democrats hate it. But it really doesnt matter. Its not like any soldiers are going to look at Mannings case and think he got of lightly. After all, he got 35 years and a Presidential commutation is hardly something to bank on.
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Reply #5 - Jan 18^th, 2017 at 4:53pm

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 3:43pm:

so thats what it takes to get a pardon form Obama..

cut off your penis...

the fruitcake should be in a mental institution....

................

not sure what this is going to mean for Julian Assange.. Undecided

Julian Assange helped get Trump erected, so it's all good. He's probably only wanted by the Swedish, anyway.

Manning's leak paled in comparison to Snowdon and even Putin's hackers, who all got off scott-free.

Manning's intent was not treasonous. He did not spy for a foreign country. He did not profit from releasing the material. His motives were benign - he wanted to expose US war crimes, and he did.

Manning's chances of rehabilitation are good. He has no way of repeating his crime. This is a good use of a presidential pardon.

thats two posts of yours that I've just seen and two posts with uninformed blathering..

if you just make stuff up off the cuff you'll have all of the credibility of CNN...

which is Zero... Cheesy

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Reply #6 - Jan 18^th, 2017 at 5:09pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 3:43pm:

so thats what it takes to get a pardon form Obama..

cut off your penis...

the fruitcake should be in a mental institution....

................

not sure what this is going to mean for Julian Assange.. Undecided

Julian Assange helped get Trump erected, so it's all good. He's probably only wanted by the Swedish, anyway.

Manning's leak paled in comparison to Snowdon and even Putin's hackers, who all got off scott-free.

Manning's intent was not treasonous. He did not spy for a foreign country. He did not profit from releasing the material. His motives were benign - he wanted to expose US war crimes, and he did.

Manning's chances of rehabilitation are good. He has no way of repeating his crime. This is a good use of a presidential pardon.

thats two posts of yours that I've just seen and two posts with uninformed blathering..

if you just make stuff up off the cuff you'll have all of the credibility of CNN...

which is Zero... Cheesy

ah so your beloved lord and master Trump has declared that CNN is fake news because he doesnt like it and you naturally concur.

you probably never wonder why so many people consider you a blithering idiot. This response of your might help you understand.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #7 - Jan 18^th, 2017 at 5:15pm

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 3:43pm:

so thats what it takes to get a pardon form Obama..

cut off your penis...

the fruitcake should be in a mental institution....

................

not sure what this is going to mean for Julian Assange.. Undecided

Julian Assange helped get Trump erected, so it's all good. He's probably only wanted by the Swedish, anyway.

Manning's leak paled in comparison to Snowdon and even Putin's hackers, who all got off scott-free.

Manning's intent was not treasonous. He

You're so disrespectful if its gender.

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Reply #8 - Jan 18^th, 2017 at 5:20pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 5:09pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 3:43pm:

so thats what it takes to get a pardon form Obama..

cut off your penis...

the fruitcake should be in a mental institution....

................

not sure what this is going to mean for Julian Assange.. Undecided

Julian Assange helped get Trump erected, so it's all good. He's probably only wanted by the Swedish, anyway.

Manning's leak paled in comparison to Snowdon and even Putin's hackers, who all got off scott-free.

Manning's intent was not treasonous. He did not spy for a foreign country. He did not profit from releasing the material. His motives were benign - he wanted to expose US war crimes, and he did.

Manning's chances of rehabilitation are good. He has no way of repeating his crime. This is a good use of a presidential pardon.

thats two posts of yours that I've just seen and two posts with uninformed blathering..

if you just make stuff up off the cuff you'll have all of the credibility of CNN...

which is Zero... Cheesy

ah so your beloved lord and master Trump has declared that CNN is fake news because he doesnt like it and you naturally concur.

you probably never wonder why so many people consider you a blithering idiot. This response of your might help you understand.

no.. once again you are 100% wrong..

99% of the forum members find you an abusive intolerable asshole who should be banned because you add nothing to the community...

you are like that drunken uncle who turns up to the family party thats uninvited and everyone shuns..

have a nice day ...

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 118158 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Bradley Manning Freed Reply #9 - Jan 18^th, 2017 at 5:47pm How many people lost their lives from the info that Bradley Manning released?
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Unforgiven Gold Member Offline I have sinned Posts: 8879 Gender:	Re: Bradley Manning Freed Reply #10 - Jan 18^th, 2017 at 5:48pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 5:47pm: How many people lost their lives from the info that Bradley Manning released? A number of conservative denizens on Ozpolitic have been suicidal. Please do a welfare check of Bobby's mates.
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Reply #11 - Jan 18^th, 2017 at 5:49pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 4:18pm:

Opinions have been varied to say the least but some Republicans have praised it and some Democrats hate it. But it really doesnt matter. Its not like any soldiers are going to look at Mannings case and think he got of lightly. After all, he got 35 years and a Presidential commutation is hardly something to bank on.

Sorry, I cannot go along with that. Presidential interference with a court-marshal conviction is fairly big stuff. When the case is one of handing over military information, it verges on treason. You have to ask yourself why Obama and the Dems did this. They did not do it on the spur of the moment, they weighed the consequences carefully. Some will say it is about justice for Manning, but if that was so important, why didn't the Democrats and Obama commute his sentence before the election? I think they knew Manning's case was an election liability, and so postponed action. The precedent of this case weakens military authority. I don't think this decision adds any luster to Obama's legacy as Commander in Chief.

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Reply #12 - Jan 18^th, 2017 at 8:29pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 5:49pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2017 at 4:18pm:

Opinions have been varied to say the least but some Republicans have praised it and some Democrats hate it. But it really doesnt matter. Its not like any soldiers are going to look at Mannings case and think he got of lightly. After all, he got 35 years and a Presidential commutation is hardly something to bank on.

Sorry, I cannot go along with that. Presidential interference with a court-marshal conviction is fairly big stuff. When the case is one of handing over military information, it verges on treason. You have to ask yourself why Obama and the Dems did this. They did not do it on the spur of the moment, they weighed the consequences carefully. Some will say it is about justice for Manning, but if that was so important, why didn't the Democrats and Obama commute his sentence before the election? I think they knew Manning's case was an election liability, and so postponed action. The precedent of this case weakens military authority. I don't think this decision adds any luster to Obama's legacy as Commander in Chief.

You dont think that ALL pardons and so on do the same to any court? Why does a military court rank special to you? as for the when of the commutation... unless this has escaped your attention, EVERY POTUS does this in the few days prior to leaving office and is a tradition. That way they can do what they think is right and not have to put up with crap from the fallout.

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Reply #13 - Jan 18^th, 2017 at 10:30pm

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Five days before, Wikileaks tweeted that Assange was willing to make a deal if Manning was granted clemency.

If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case https://t.co/MZU30SlfGK
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) January 12, 2017

Assange has been living in the Ecuadorian embassy in London since 2012. The Australian has previously fought extradition to Sweden over accusations of rape, which he denies.

He has claimed the Swedish effort is a way to have him transferred to the US, which, as of May 2016, was actively investigating WikiLeaks’ activities.

@JustinRaimondo That's the only reason Manning was granted clemency. It's all to get at Assange. Obama is #DeepState & this is a chess move.
— John Manko (@johnmanko) January 17, 2017

WikiLeaks and Assange released a statement in reaction to the announcement by the Obama administration, thanking “everyone who campaigned for Chelsea Manning's clemency.”

Assange: "Thank you to everyone who campaigned for Chelsea Manning's clemency. Your courage & determination made the impossible possible."
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) 17 January 2017

“Your courage & determination made the impossible possible,” WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange tweeted.

"Ms. Manning is a hero, whose bravery should be applauded," Assange said in the statement. "Journalists, publishers, and their sources serve the public interest and promote democracy by distributing authentic information on key matters such as human rights abuses and illegal acts by government officials. They should not be prosecuted."

Assange urged Washington to "immediately end" its war on "whistleblowers and publishers, such as WikiLeaks and myself."

Although Assange did not immediately specify whether or not he will honor his promise and risk potential extradition to the US, where he could face possible espionage charges, his lawyer Melinda Taylor confirmed that “everything that he has said he's standing by.”

Statement from Julian #Assange regarding decision of President Obama to commute the sentence of Chelsea Manning pic.twitter.com/HKtbs0pOpF
— Melinda Taylor (@theMTchair) 18 January 2017

The US authorities consistently affirmed there is an ongoing national security prosecution against Assange, but refused to confirm or deny whether they had sent an extradition request, she added. Meanwhile the UK also refuses to affirm or deny that they have received an extradition call, which is “not the same thing as there being no extradition request.”

Some believe the move to free Manning could serve as a trap to lure Assange out of the safety of the Ecuadorian compound in London.

The US State Department’s spokesman, John Kirby said Tuesday that Washington used a variety of channels over the years to remind the international community about the “harm that continues to come from the information that Wikileaks obtains and Wikileaks then publishes” to US security interests. Kirby called Wikileaks activities a “problem”.

Assange’s lawyers will ask Trump to end US investigation into WikiLeaks

https://www.rt.com/usa/374012-assange-extradition-manning-commutation/

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Reply #14 - Jan 18^th, 2017 at 10:33pm

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Sorry, I cannot go along with that. Presidential interference with a court-marshal conviction is fairly big stuff. When the case is one of handing over military information, it verges on treason. You have to ask yourself why Obama and the Dems did this. They did not do it on the spur of the moment, they weighed the consequences carefully. Some will say it is about justice for Manning, but if that was so important, why didn't the Democrats and Obama commute his sentence before the election? I think they knew Manning's case was an election liability, and so postponed action. The precedent of this case weakens military authority. I don't think this decision adds any luster to Obama's legacy as Commander in Chief.

You nailed it.

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