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Reply #46 - Jan 19^th, 2017 at 11:56am

lee wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 10:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 7:42am:

IN THEIR WISDOM??? get your hand off it. Their 'wisdom' included slavery, no rights for women and executing homosexuals.

How very 21st century PC of you. Expecting 18th century values to be in line with current ones.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 7:42am:

the electoral system was designed around a 18th century america

Glad you acknowledge that. When was ours (Australia's) designed? Early 20th century.

The point that you so easily ignore is that assuming that somehow these people 250 years ago foresaw a 21st century america is patently ridiculous. Im not saying that an electoral college is necessary a bad idea. I am saying that because some ancient document set up a system which delivers what YOU want today, is not the definition of wisdom. It is a tad more complex than that.

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Reply #47 - Jan 19^th, 2017 at 11:58am

lee wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 10:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 7:42am:

IN THEIR WISDOM??? get your hand off it. Their 'wisdom' included slavery, no rights for women and executing homosexuals.

How very 21st century PC of you. Expecting 18th century values to be in line with current ones.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 7:42am:

the electoral system was designed around a 18th century america

Glad you acknowledge that. When was ours (Australia's) designed? Early 20th century.

banning slavery, giving rights to women and not executing homosexuals is hardly 21st century news. I is 20th century and the attitude itself was 19th century.

Things have changed since the days of the slave-owning Founding Fathers set up a system that you apparently support when it suits your desired outcome.

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Reply #48 - Jan 19^th, 2017 at 12:54pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 7:42am:

........Their 'wisdom' included slavery, no rights for women and executing homosexuals.......

Slavery, well the British passed on their finest accomplishments to the then colonies of the crown.....If you'd actually read the statements of the Founding Fathers you would know where they actually stood on those issues, mind you some were in favor......Women voted in most places (local elections) & they stood side by side with their menfolk, armed with musket in hand, or at the cannon
, when snuffing out those coward Redcoat Officers, & you should provide validation (corroborating documentation)to that last dubious statement, where the Founding Fathers advocated such. In the 1700's "fudge packing" was quite illegal, & considered highly immoral everywhere in the world, except in His Majesty's British Royal Navy, where Cabin Boys aka "Peg Boys"
were still the rage of course.

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AuntieM Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 444 Gender:	Re: DESPERATE DEMOCRAT CALLS FOR TRUMP IMPEACHMENT dur Reply #49 - Jan 19^th, 2017 at 1:17pm The US was set up with a Constitution as framework. We have to consider, if any given position, fits within the constitution, or does not. The existence of slavery doesn't negate the constitution. Sorry, kittens, but it doesn't.
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Reply #50 - Jan 19^th, 2017 at 1:22pm

Beginning in the 1830s, leading voices in the South, the foremost being John C. Calhoun, embraced slavery as what they called a “positive good,” and rejected any limits on slavery. These Southerners knew the Founders opposed slavery in principle—and also knew they had taken significant actions, for example with the Northwest Ordinance, to contain the institution and to roll it back wherever possible—but they thought that the Founders were wrong to do so.
None of the leading Founders ever declared slavery to be a just or beneficial institution. In fact, they hoped to see the slave trade eradicated, and eventually the entire institution of slavery made illegal.
George Washington Letter to Robert Morris
April 12, 1786 “...[T]here is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a
plan adopted for the abolition of it....”
John Adams Letter to Robert J. Evans
June 8, 1819 “...Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States. . . . I have, through my whole
life, held the practice of slavery in...abhorrence....”

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Reply #51 - Jan 19^th, 2017 at 1:29pm

AuntieM wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 1:22pm:

Beginning in the 1830s, leading voices in the South, the foremost being John C. Calhoun, embraced slavery as what they called a “positive good,” and rejected any limits on slavery. These Southerners knew the Founders opposed slavery in principle—and also knew they had taken significant actions, for example with the Northwest Ordinance, to contain the institution and to roll it back wherever possible—but they thought that the Founders were wrong to do so.
None of the leading Founders ever declared slavery to be a just or beneficial institution. In fact, they hoped to see the slave trade eradicated, and eventually the entire institution of slavery made illegal.
George Washington Letter to Robert Morris
April 12, 1786 “...[T]here is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a
plan adopted for the abolition of it....”
John Adams Letter to Robert J. Evans
June 8, 1819 “...Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States. . . . I have, through my whole life, held the practice of slavery in...abhorrence....”

A very good read....thanks

https://online.hillsdale.edu/course/con101/part06/week-6-lecture

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20355 Gender:	Re: DESPERATE DEMOCRAT CALLS FOR TRUMP IMPEACHMENT dur Reply #52 - Jan 19^th, 2017 at 2:42pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 11:56am: The point that you so easily ignore is that assuming that somehow these people 250 years ago foresaw a 21st century america is patently ridiculous. Yep, it is what Constitutional Amendment is for. Who is ignoring what.
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Reply #53 - Jan 19^th, 2017 at 2:46pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 11:58am:

banning slavery, giving rights to women and not executing homosexuals is hardly 21st century news. I is 20th century and the attitude itself was 19th century.

Things have changed since the days of the slave-owning Founding Fathers set up a system that you apparently support when it suits your desired outcome.

Yep. And who said I was supporting it?

Then why bring up 19th and 20th century mores when discussing 18th century happenings?

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Reply #54 - Jan 19^th, 2017 at 2:48pm

AuntieM wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 1:17pm:

The US was set up with a Constitution as framework.

We have to consider, if any given position, fits within the constitution, or does not.

The existence of slavery doesn't negate the constitution. Sorry, kittens, but it doesn't.

the point is that the US constitution was framed by slave-owners. It is worth remembering that before somehow claiming that it is a document of unending wisdom or Holy Writ. it is people like King Trump who prior to the election said the electoral college was terrible because he thought it worked against him while now supporting it because it literally got him elected.

Just occasionally, a principled position would be a welcome relief.

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Reply #55 - Jan 19^th, 2017 at 3:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:

AuntieM wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 1:17pm:

The US was set up with a Constitution as framework.

We have to consider, if any given position, fits within the constitution, or does not.

The existence of slavery doesn't negate the constitution. Sorry, kittens, but it doesn't.

the point is that the US constitution was framed by slave-owners. It is worth remembering that before somehow claiming that it is a document of unending wisdom or Holy Writ. it is people like King Trump who prior to the election said the electoral college was terrible because he thought it worked against him while now supporting it because it literally got him elected.

Just occasionally, a principled position would be a welcome relief.

the US constitution was framed by slave-owners.... agreed, a few were.

....Trump, who prior to the election, said the electoral college was terrible because he thought it worked against him while now supporting it because it literally got him elected.

Your point, because Trump didn't like it mattered not.

It was the Law of the Land since 1788 & stands firm today, causing you to get your leftist lil soiled panties in a twist...... something you absolutely can not refute.

Now, that presently he supports it because through meeting the Law of the Land's legal requirements, which was but one factor that aided in his victory, it's still the Law of the Land.....always was.....& unless removed/redesigned/replaced by a Constitutional Process, that enables The American People, not the government, to alter via a Constitutional Amendment, the Electoral College will always be The Law of the Land causing you to get your leftist lil soiled panties in a tighter twist ......... something else you absolutely can not refute.

You shouldn't be having such a sissy fit over a law you have no possible way of changing, you should be looking in the mirror & asking yourself.....

why do facts I can't change make me so mad I want to gouge my own eyes out with a fork???!!

Something you may, or may not, desire to refute.

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Reply #56 - Jan 19^th, 2017 at 4:32pm

Panther wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:

AuntieM wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 1:17pm:

The US was set up with a Constitution as framework.

We have to consider, if any given position, fits within the constitution, or does not.

The existence of slavery doesn't negate the constitution. Sorry, kittens, but it doesn't.

the point is that the US constitution was framed by slave-owners. It is worth remembering that before somehow claiming that it is a document of unending wisdom or Holy Writ. it is people like King Trump who prior to the election said the electoral college was terrible because he thought it worked against him while now supporting it because it literally got him elected.

Just occasionally, a principled position would be a welcome relief.

the US constitution was framed by slave-owners.... https://i.imgsafe.org/6322caaba2.gif agreed, a few were.

....Trump, who prior to the election, said the electoral college was terrible because he thought it worked against him while now supporting it because it literally got him elected. https://i.imgsafe.org/63231ab97e.gif

Your point, because Trump didn't like it mattered not.

It was the Law of the Land since 1788 & stands firm today, causing you to get your leftist lil soiled panties in a twist...... something you absolutely can not refute.

Now, that presently he supports it because through meeting the Law of the Land's legal requirements, which was but one factor that aided in his victory, it's still the Law of the Land.....always was.....& unless removed/redesigned/replaced by a Constitutional Process, that enables The American People, not the government, to alter via a Constitutional Amendment, the Electoral College will always be The Law of the Land causing you to get your leftist lil soiled panties in a tighter twist ......... something else you absolutely can not refute.

You shouldn't be having such a sissy fit over a law you have no possible way of changing, you should be looking in the mirror & asking yourself.....

why do facts I can't change make me so mad I want to gouge my own eyes out with a fork???!!

Something you may, or may not, desire to refute.

it was a constitution that SUPPORTED slavery. Defend that all you want, which apparently you want to do.

the point - which you have so gleefully ignored - is that some total clowns (you included) seem to think the US consitution is some pearl of wisdom which it is not. It is just another man-made document with all the flaws inherent in them. For one thing, they decided on a Presidential system of government, a system that has failed almost everywhere else in the world while the Westminster system they rejected flourishes.

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Reply #57 - Jan 19^th, 2017 at 5:35pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 4:32pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:

AuntieM wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 1:17pm:

The US was set up with a Constitution as framework.

We have to consider, if any given position, fits within the constitution, or does not.

The existence of slavery doesn't negate the constitution. Sorry, kittens, but it doesn't.

the point is that the US constitution was framed by slave-owners. It is worth remembering that before somehow claiming that it is a document of unending wisdom or Holy Writ. it is people like King Trump who prior to the election said the electoral college was terrible because he thought it worked against him while now supporting it because it literally got him elected.

Just occasionally, a principled position would be a welcome relief.

the US constitution was framed by slave-owners.... https://i.imgsafe.org/6322caaba2.gif agreed, a few were.

....Trump, who prior to the election, said the electoral college was terrible because he thought it worked against him while now supporting it. https://i.imgsafe.org/63231ab97e.gif

Your point, because Trump didn't like it mattered not.

It was the Law of the Land since 1788 & stands firm today, causing you to get your leftist lil soiled panties in a twist...... something you absolutely can not refute.

Now, that presently he supports it because through meeting the Law of the Land's legal requirements, which was but one factor that aided in his victory, it's still the Law of the Land.....always was.....& unless removed/redesigned/replaced by a Constitutional Process, that enables The American People, not the government, to alter via a Constitutional Amendment, the Electoral College will always be The Law of the Land causing you to get your leftist lil soiled panties in a tighter twist ......... something else you absolutely can not refute.

You shouldn't be having such a sissy fit over a law you have no possible way of changing, you should be looking in the mirror & asking yourself.....

why do facts I can't change make me so mad I want to gouge my own eyes out with a fork???!!

Something you may, or may not, desire to refute.

.....it was a constitution that SUPPORTED slavery......

Source: Ashland University
Quote:
........a close examination of the Constitution and the attitudes of the Framers indicates that the Constitution was not a pro-slavery document. It was, however, a document that incorporated compromise of the opinions of the Framers and of each of the interests they represented. The Founding Fathers realized slavery was not an infinite institution, but that it would eventually die out. They therefore created a document that represented the Union as it stood in 1787, and also as it would stand in the future. Some provisions had to be made for slavery while also leaving the Constitution open to debate and change if and when slavery would be abolished. The most important point to remember is that the Constitution was established to uphold the perpetuation of the Union and the rights and liberties of its citizens.

On the above, I absolutely agree.....the Preservation of a Union was much more important than losing it all to the cursed Tyrannical British, over making any Pro or Anti Slavery points in endless debate in 1780's.

If the American People ever wanted to add to, or change any parts of the US Constitution, they can add or change any parts they wish .... The Constitution itself authorizes the precise procedures to do so. It has been done successfully 17 times in 240 years
via Article V of the US Constitution.

Ending Slavery in the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution:

Quote:

Amendment XIII (1865)

Section 1.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

The Founding Fathers knew that the Constitution they proposed was not going to be the perfect document for all time infinitum, so they, noting the document shouldn't be taken lightly ...... changing with every whim ..... provided a process to go about making revisions when absolutely needed.

The process has seen the insertion of 17 ratified amendments, subsequent to the first 10 amendments known as the Bill of Rights, for a total of 27.

Now, all that said, Donald Trump was elected as prescribed by law.....period.

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Reply #59 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 1:41am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 19^th, 2017 at 7:00pm:

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The funny thing is that the betting agencies have it at even money.

If you are familiar with the process, with a strong majority in both the House of Representatives, & the U.S. Senate .......... with 247 seats in the House of Representatives and 54 seats in the Senate, this 114^th Congress begins with the largest Republican majority since the 71st Congress of 1929–1931.

Under these conditions, the Impeachment of a Republican President, though never absolutely impossible,
is a virtual democRAT "Pipe Dream".

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