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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6384 Australia Gender:	Re: Guns.. Reply #60 - Jan 17^th, 2017 at 8:19am Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 8:42pm: We are not allowed to have weapons for self defence in Australia, our politicians want criminals to have a safe working environment Because they are criminals.
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Reply #61 - Jan 17^th, 2017 at 10:30am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 6:16am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 5:57am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

We are not allowed to have weapons for self defence in Australia, our politicians want criminals to have a safe working environment.

Good one.

I don't know if this is true -

if a burglar injures themself on your property they
can claim money from you.

Only if they survive. Wink

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Reply #62 - Jan 17^th, 2017 at 10:35am

lee wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 10:30am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 6:16am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 5:57am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

We are not allowed to have weapons for self defence in Australia, our politicians want criminals to have a safe working environment.

Good one.

I don't know if this is true -

if a burglar injures themself on your property they
can claim money from you.

Only if they survive. Wink

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Reply #63 - Jan 17^th, 2017 at 10:39am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 6:16am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 5:57am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

We are not allowed to have weapons for self defence in Australia, our politicians want criminals to have a safe working environment.

Good one.

I don't know if this is true -

if a burglar injures themself on your property they
can claim money from you.

It is true, .....particularly if YOU intentionally injured them, trying to protect yourself, or those you love, or your property.

Whereas, if they die, while up to no good while on your property......

You will likely have to explain why that happened, in a court of law.

It can be tricky.

Of course, if you live semi-rural, .....we just 'disappear' those who die, while trying to harm us.

Wink

.....of course i'm just kidding.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20177 Gender:	Re: Guns.. Reply #64 - Jan 17^th, 2017 at 10:43am Even if they trip over a rake or fall through a skylight.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22692 A cat with a view	Re: Guns.. Reply #65 - Jan 17^th, 2017 at 10:49am lee wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 10:43am: Even if they trip over a rake or fall through a skylight. ........a burglar CAN seek damages for injury, from you. Its crazy! ......but here in semi-rural, a lot of our 'problems' can be solved. We are resourceful people. Why don't you believe me ?
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Reply #66 - Jan 17^th, 2017 at 10:54am

Gordon wrote on Jan 15^th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

Guns are fun to shoot but it's good to know you can flip the bird in traffic and know the driver won't pull out a gun

That may have been intended as a flippant comment, but it is very powerful. You can get into a drunken bar argument knowing that the worst you will get with be a punch other than 17 bullets to the head which then starts a gun fight leaving a dozen dead.

John Howard did a brave and very good thing and Australia's gun death 'problem' is trivial compared to the USA and our violent crime rate, far lower.

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Reply #67 - Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:03am

rhino wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 10:57pm:

You arent making any sense Mort.

When has he ever made sense? He's a smacking Texuun for bugger sake. If you think Morty Torty is bad, take a "holiday" there sometime and see for yourself how incredibly smacking stupid (and fat) Texuuns are. You'll find it to be an eye-opening experience. High school graduates (of which there are few) can't even do basics of addition and subtraction in that gawd-forsaken shithole of a state.

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Reply #68 - Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:09am

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 10:40pm:

Herb, don't go cutting people off in traffic or giving the finger if you are the one cut off. Asserting yourself with rude behavior may not end well.

Morty Torty is right, Herbie.

I once saw a kid who I'd say was @17 flip off a biker. The biker stopped right in front of him in traffic, got off his bike, walked to car door, opened the car and and repeatedly pummeled that kind in the face with both fist until that kid was bloody mess.

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Marla Gold Member Offline A joint a day keeps the MAGA away Posts: 14693 Colorado Gender:	Re: Guns.. Reply #69 - Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:14am Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:56am: Why should victims die? at the hands of attackers who in many cases have guns or knives Doesn't even have to be that. If a person enters my residence by illegal means, chances are high they are going to receive a bullet in their head. No conversation, no argument, no bargaining.
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Reply #70 - Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:49am

Marla wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:14am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:56am:

Why should victims die? at the hands of attackers who in many cases have guns or knives

Doesn't even have to be that. If a person enters my residence by illegal means, chances are high they are going to receive a bullet in their head. No conversation, no argument, no bargaining.

Dispatch his ass outa this world!!
Chalk it up to 'natural causes' ...... "....comes into my house, naturally he gets very dead...."

God Bless the ' Castle Doctrine ', where the police won't arrest the shooter, & if they do, in most cases prosecutors won't press charges because a jury almost never convicts when the Castle Doctrine is presented as a defense.

Here in Australia, the law is almost always stacked against the shooter/gun owner.

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Reply #71 - Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:05pm

Marla wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:14am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:56am:

Why should victims die? at the hands of attackers who in many cases have guns or knives

Doesn't even have to be that. If a person enters my residence by illegal means, chances are high they are going to receive a bullet in their head. No conversation, no argument, no bargaining.

Way to go Marla but here in OZ the prevailing thinking is that anyone entering premises by illegal means is excused because of bad childhood, mental illness, didn't know it was illegal, or is a new immigrant/refugee.

We are not at liberty to harm them except by using "reasonably force, just enough to make them run away", and then call the Police and give a full description of the poor soul, so counseling can be applied to make them a better person

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Reply #72 - Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:21pm

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 11:26pm:

You and I have had this conversation before! You can be prosecuted for excessive force when responding to an attack. If I am struck on or about the head a lethal response is justified. That is the difference between the Laws of our Countries.

Why justified? Are you so pitiful and lame that the only answer you have to any attack is to KILL? The problem with such stupidity is that it invites lethal FIRST ATTACK.

idiot.

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Reply #73 - Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:30pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 10:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 6:16am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 5:57am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

We are not allowed to have weapons for self defence in Australia, our politicians want criminals to have a safe working environment.

Good one.

I don't know if this is true -

if a burglar injures themself on your property they
can claim money from you.

It is true, .....particularly if YOU intentionally injured them, trying to protect yourself, or those you love, or your property.

Whereas, if they die, while up to no good while on your property......

You will likely have to explain why that happened, in a court of law.

It can be tricky.

Of course, if you live semi-rural, .....we just 'disappear' those who die, while trying to harm us.

Wink

.....of course i'm just kidding.

Yes it's not like the USA here -

we have only a limited right of self defense &
even if you win the court case you'll lose your house in legal fees.
It's not fair.

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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: Guns.. Reply #74 - Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:32pm In Australia if an intruder invades your home and you try to defend yourself, by whatever means..the home owner goes to jail- truth I would still let him have it- he is not there for any other reason except to cause harm or death..I would worry about that later- in jail.
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