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Reply #120 - Jan 14th, 2017 at 10:06pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 14th, 2017 at 9:03pm:
In a perverse way, its tempting to believe that's true. But (particularly) foreign journalists in the US covering his campaign and attending his rallies were themselves stunned to see that most of the attendees did not look like examples of the lowest socioeconomic white nor all that 'unwashed'... Sure, there were some but mainly there appeared (at least to them) to be representations from all social and economic strata...


trump didn't win because people with low iq's voted for him, he didn't win because he promised to build a wall. He didn't win because he was rich or because he was popular or a celebrity.
Trump won for one reason and one reason only .... HE WASN'T ESTABLISHMENT ... at least not political establishment. Americans got sick of seeing the same old poo time in and time out, with the only real changes being the spelling of the parties names. They wanted something different in the hope, that finally, someone might listen to them and make some changes.

Whilst I applaud their willingness to give him a go, their blind faith in him is akin to stupidity. Trump will not deliver, he will prove to be just as pro establishment as the other politicians. He won't give a sh1t about the voters that put him there and he'll sell them out as soon as he figures out how to make a buck from it. I also think he'll bore with the presidency fairly early on once he realises he is just as much a prisoner to the establishment as everyone else. Once that happens, he won't even pretend to care about the voters ...

the worst part is, he actually believes his own hype and his own over inflated opinion of himself, and he has the potential to lead the US into a war it does not want whilst alienating it's allies at the same time.
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Reply #121 - Jan 14th, 2017 at 10:15pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 14th, 2017 at 10:06pm:
trump didn't win because people with low iq's voted for him, he didn't win because he promised to build a wall. He didn't win because he was rich or because he was popular or a celebrity.
Trump won for one reason and one reason only .... HE WASN'T ESTABLISHMENT ... at least not political establishment. Americans got sick of seeing the same old poo time in and time out, with the only real changes being the spelling of the parties names. They wanted something different in the hope, that finally, someone might listen to them and make some changes.

Whilst I applaud their willingness to give him a go, their blind faith in him is akin to stupidity. Trump will not deliver, he will prove to be just as pro establishment as the other politicians. He won't give a sh1t about the voters that put him there and he'll sell them out as soon as he figures out how to make a buck from it. I also think he'll bore with the presidency fairly early on once he realises he is just as much a prisoner to the establishment as everyone else. Once that happens, he won't even pretend to care about the voters ...


Yes... A case of life imitating art commenting on human nature, as in Aesop's 'Pigeons, the kite and the hawk' (or... choosing a remedy that is worse than the disease)!


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Reply #122 - Jan 15th, 2017 at 8:34am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 14th, 2017 at 10:06pm:
Trump won for one reason and one reason only .... HE WASN'T ESTABLISHMENT ... at least not political establishment. Americans got sick of seeing the same old poo time in and time out, with the only real changes being the spelling of the parties names. They wanted something different in the hope, that finally, someone might listen to them and make some changes.

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I also think he'll bore with the presidency fairly early on once he realises he is just as much a prisoner to the establishment as everyone else. Once that happens, he won't even pretend to care about the voters ...

What the new President and 'his people' are soon going to realise (if they hadn't already), is that nobody can rule alone and even massively popular HOS/HOGs (which Trump definitely is not) soon accept that most states' economic/socio-political trajectory (excluding micro-nations) cannot 'turn on a dime', no matter how genuine their will and drive.

At best, a degree or two in one direction or another is usually the best that can be hoped for without massive civil disturbance or civil war.

And Trump's instinctive belligerence towards even the slightest criticism will not change that...

His instinct for rhetorical outrage (which has currently being arrogated by those who are enjoying vicarious venting) is doomed to just wear thin and collapse as even 'his people' come to realise its true source - Narcissistic rage - and not 'merely' the naive overreach of a 'man in a hurry' to do good deeds.

Trump's recent attack on a highly respected (from both sides of the political divide) civil rights veteran, is just another example of how easily Trump's narcissistic rage  (his Achilles heel) can be provoked... And all of the US and the world is watching and learning.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/14/us/politics/john-lewis-donald-trump.html?_r=0

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Re: Predictions for the first 100 days of Trump
Reply #123 - Jan 15th, 2017 at 8:42am
 
Mm mm I think they both were equally jerks on this one.

"WASHINGTON — On Friday, Representative John Lewis, Democrat of Georgia, declared that he did not view Donald J. Trump as a “legitimate president.” Mr. Lewis, an icon of the civil rights movement, said he planned to boycott the inauguration, the first he will skip in three decades.

On Saturday, Mr. Trump hit back.

“Congressman John Lewis should spend more time on fixing and helping his district, which is in horrible shape and falling apart (not to mention crime infested) rather than falsely complaining about the election results,” Mr. Trump said in a pair of early morning Twitter posts.

“All talk, talk, talk — no action or results,” he added. “Sad!”

Mr. Trump’s outburst drew indignation from many people who pointed out the unseemliness of attacking a civil rights leader on the eve of Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Mr. Lewis was one of the original Freedom Riders, beaten by police officers while marching from Selma to Montgomery in Alabama."

Mr Lewis did service to his country during a difficult struggle, as did thousands of other Americans.  That cannot be disputed.

However, the concept that he can speak disrespectfully of another person, yet be safe from disrespect returned to him -- simply because the birthday of a civil rights leader approaches -- is beyond asinine.
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Reply #124 - Jan 15th, 2017 at 8:50am
 
AuntieM wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 8:42am:
However, the concept that he can speak disrespectfully of another person, yet be safe from disrespect returned to him -- simply because the birthday of a civil rights leader approaches -- is beyond asinine.

And so it is necessary for Trump to 'slap down' everyone who criticises him regardless of the power differential?

More sooner than later even his diehard supporters will realise that Trump's  narcissistic rage is uncontrollable.
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Reply #125 - Jan 15th, 2017 at 8:55am
 
It isn't necessary for him to slap down anyone. I'm not saying Trump was right, only making the statement that no one has a right to be put untouchable on a pedestal -- regardless of how they treat other people -- for something they did fifty years ago, just because "the date".
Are there five dozen smarter better choices Trump could have made? Yep.
But Mr Lewis played Partisan Grandstanding Bullshit, and was indeed slapped.  He's a politician, however, and likely knew the likely responses to Partisan Grandstanding Bullshit.
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Reply #126 - Jan 15th, 2017 at 9:11am
 
AuntieM wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 8:55am:
It isn't necessary for him to slap down anyone. I'm not saying Trump was right, only making the statement that no one has a right to be put untouchable on a pedestal -- regardless of how they treat other people -- for something they did fifty years ago, just because "the date".
Are there five dozen smarter better choices Trump could have made? Yep.
But Mr Lewis played Partisan Grandstanding Bullshit, and was indeed slapped.  He's a politician, however, and likely knew the likely responses to Partisan Grandstanding Bullshit.

five dozen smarter better choices Trump could have made...

And not one of those 60 smarter options were chosen by Trump... He trusted his instincts - Narcissistic rage - And for a reason... Narcissists generally cannot differentiate between the ones you fight and the ones you let pass by.

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Re: Predictions for the first 100 days of Trump
Reply #127 - Jan 15th, 2017 at 1:28pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 14th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 14th, 2017 at 9:17pm:
What is changing is that America will enforce its will. And when America wants to
enforce its will,
things change
.

Barbary Coast.
WWI.
WWII.

Vietnam?
Afghanistan?
Iraq?


America was not prepared to enforce its will.
Vietnam - America was supporting one side and when that side lost, America left.
Afghanistan and Iraq - the immediate objectives of removing the Taliban and Hussein were swiftly achieved. After that both were 'social justice' wars but you can't civilise those people. "War as aid" doesn't work.
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Reply #128 - Jan 15th, 2017 at 2:30pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 14th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 14th, 2017 at 9:17pm:
What is changing is that America will enforce its will. And when America wants to
enforce its will,
things change
.

Barbary Coast.
WWI.
WWII.

Vietnam?
Afghanistan?
Iraq?


America was not prepared to enforce its will.
Vietnam - America was supporting one side and when that side lost, America left.
Afghanistan and Iraq - the immediate objectives of removing the Taliban and Hussein were swiftly achieved. After that both were 'social justice' wars but you can't civilise those people. "War as aid" doesn't work.

Vietnam was an American war by 1968 for which Johnson gave his political lifeblood, his credibility and his legacy as the civil rights and 'great society' president... Nixon couldn't withdraw with honour and Ford did what he was forced to do - Just get out... But by then the US had been in Vietnam for 20 years with 60000 US troops dead... How much more enforcement of US will could there have been?

What the Bush Administration expected after the decapitation of the Iraqi Administration which included the removal of all Baath Party and leaders is anyone's guess... They had the will to overthrow the Saddam regime with the installation of a US-friendly puppet regime (no doubt), without considering the ancient historical surviving schism between Shi'ites and Sunnis... Not a matter of a lack of US will as sheer stupidity.

Afghanistan with a long proud history of resisting invaders... How much will does it take when everyone is prepared to die to see the invader defeated?

War with China? It seems like its coming... How much more US 'will' is it going to take if there wasn't enough in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq?

And what does war with China mean for Australia? Will both sides send us the ultimatum: 'Either you're with us or you're with the enemy'?
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Re: Predictions for the first 100 days of Trump
Reply #129 - Jan 15th, 2017 at 2:57pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 2:30pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 14th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 14th, 2017 at 9:17pm:
What is changing is that America will enforce its will. And when America wants to
enforce its will,
things change
.

Barbary Coast.
WWI.
WWII.

Vietnam?
Afghanistan?
Iraq?


America was not prepared to enforce its will.
Vietnam - America was supporting one side and when that side lost, America left.
Afghanistan and Iraq - the immediate objectives of removing the Taliban and Hussein were swiftly achieved. After that both were 'social justice' wars but you can't civilise those people. "War as aid" doesn't work.

Vietnam was an American war by 1968 for which Johnson gave his political lifeblood, his credibility and his legacy as the civil rights and 'great society' president... Nixon couldn't withdraw with honour and Ford did what he was forced to do - Just get out... But by then the US had been in Vietnam for 20 years with 60000 US troops dead... How much more enforcement of US will could there have been?

What the Bush Administration expected after the decapitation of the Iraqi Administration which included the removal of all Baath Party and leaders is anyone's guess... They had the will to overthrow the Saddam regime with the installation of a US-friendly puppet regime (no doubt), without considering the ancient historical surviving schism between Shi'ites and Sunnis... Not a matter of a lack of US will as sheer stupidity.

Afghanistan with a long proud history of resisting invaders... How much will does it take when everyone is prepared to die to see the invader defeated?

War with China? It seems like its coming... How much more US 'will' is it going to take if there wasn't enough in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq?

And what does war with China mean for Australia? Will both sides send us the ultimatum: 'Either you're with us or you're with the enemy'?


Well, they were not the only fools to buy the 'islam is peace' pap.


I think the US under Trump will have FEWER armed conflicts because th trump administration ill not buy into any of the PC crap.

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Reply #130 - Jan 15th, 2017 at 2:59pm
 
Chaos and confusion as Trump fails to overcome the hurdles and spends more time on Twitter than in decision making.
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Predictions for the first 100 days of Trump

99 of them will be embarrassing but the other will be hilarious.
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Reply #132 - Jan 15th, 2017 at 3:11pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 2:57pm:
Well, they were not the only fools to buy the 'islam is peace' pap.

No one buys into the notion that any religion is monolithic.

The idea that 'Islam is peace' is no more credible than 'Christianity is peace' or even 'Buddhism is peace' if by peace it means that respective believers will never be prepared to kill or make war on fellow believers...

More Muslims have been killed by Islamists than non-Muslims...

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Reply #133 - Jan 15th, 2017 at 3:59pm
 
The first 100 days of Trump's tenure will be sheer chaos as he tries to bulldoze immediate action from a system that is designed to prevent such speed of action.

Trump's real problem is that he is totally unprepared for immediate action because he did nothing about assembling an administration before he was elected. Furthermore, the system does not allow precipitate rash action because the wording of laws has to be considered and checked in case of unintended consequences of hastily prepared laws.

Furthermore, there is no evidence that the GOP majority will accept Trump's laws without a period of review.

Trump cannot bypass congress and senate, because without due consideration of laws congress and senate don't have a purpose.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-busy-day-1-scrap-obama-orders-deport-023908668...

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Here are some highlights of his stated opening day plans.

- Health care -

Trump has pledged to introduce, with Republican leaders in Congress, legislation to "repeal and replace" Obamacare, and his team stresses he will immediately sign executive orders related to dismantling the law.

He could issue them on two fronts: allowing people to keep their plans which might not have qualified under the Affordable Care Act, and voiding penalties for individuals not having coverage.

Trump recently said he then hoped to see Congressional action to repeal and replace Obamacare "essentially simultaneously," although Republicans have yet to unveil their replacement.

- Immigration -

During the campaign, Trump was eager to order the deportation of convicted criminals who were living in the country illegally, a group he said topped two million people.

"Day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone," he told supporters in Arizona in August.

But Leopold said such processes are already underway: Obama's administration made deporting criminals a high priority.

Plus, the president "doesn't have the power to order anybody's deportation," Leopold said.

Trump has vowed to introduce legislation on day one that would fund construction of the "great wall" he wants built on the US border with Mexico.

He could immediately suspend the Syrian refugee program, and pledged a day one suspension of immigration "from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur."

Another controversial move he has advocated is scrapping the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, which Obama instituted in 2012 to allow more than 750,000 undocumented immigrants who came to the country as young children to live and work in the United States without fear of deportation.

"Trump could reverse that guidance with the stroke of a pen," Leopold said.

- Environment, energy -

Trump has made no secret of his intent to end what he sees as the Environmental Protection Agency's intrusion into American industry, including Obama's Clean Power Plan compelling power plants to slash carbon emissions.

Vice President-elect Mike Pence has said Trump will "end the war on coal on day one."

Trump pledged to scrap coal leasing moratoriums and open federal lands for drilling and mining in order to access a mother lode of oil, natural gas, coal and uranium.

He has also expressed intent on day one to approve the Keystone XL pipeline project linking Canada to US Gulf Coast refineries, which the Obama administration blocked.

Trump also pledged to immediately cancel "billions in payments to UN climate change programs" and use that money to improve environmental infrastructure.

- Trade, government -

Defying the longstanding free trade traditions of his own party, Trump said that on his first day he will announce the United States will back out of or renegotiate two sweeping trade pacts: the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a 12-nation agreement that has yet to come into force, and the longstanding North American Free Trade Agreement with Canada and Mexico.

He vowed to immediately instruct his Treasury secretary to label China a "currency manipulator," a move that some observers warn could spark retaliation by the world's second largest economy.

As a way to "drain the swamp," his catchphrase for cleaning up Washington, Trump has said he will issue a five-year ban on political appointees becoming lobbyists after they leave the administration. He would also slap a hiring freeze on federal employees.
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Reply #134 - Jan 15th, 2017 at 4:07pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 3:11pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 2:57pm:
Well, they were not the only fools to buy the 'islam is peace' pap.

No one buys into the notion that any religion is monolithic.

The idea that 'Islam is peace' is no more credible than 'Christianity is peace' or even 'Buddhism is peace' if by peace it means that respective believers will never be prepared to kill or make war on fellow believers...

More Muslims have been killed by Islamists than non-Muslims...




That reinforces just what a completely f***d ideology Islam is. Not only do they kill the 'wrong' Muslims, they are also the main persecutors, by far, of other religions and of the non-religious around the world.



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